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Microsoft Pulls Windows 10 November Update (1511) ISOs (zdnet.com) 195

AmiMoJo writes: When Microsoft released Windows 10 version 1511 earlier this month, the company also updated the installer files it delivers via a free, downloadable media creation tool (MCT). That upgrade option worked as advertised for more than a week. This weekend, however, the new files have been pulled and the media creation tool available for download from that page instead installs the July 2015 (build 10240) release. A Microsoft spokesperson confirmed they wish people install the older version and get the 1551 update via Windows Update. The more recent release is still available via an unpublished link (EXE download).
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Microsoft Pulls Windows 10 November Update (1511) ISOs

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  • by lesincompetent ( 2836253 ) on Monday November 23, 2015 @09:00AM (#50984747)
    Dear M$,
    the most frustrating part of installing a fresh windows system is the updates.
    Stop making it even more frustrating.
    • I wanted to re-install Windows 7, what a mistake... first the update takes a core at 100% and just scanning for updates takes about 20h. There is 203 updates, it is a mess, there is updates for IE9, IE10, IE11 and multiples security updates for all browsers including IE8, then multiple .NET updates and others. Half of them fail to install, some rollback, after an update and a reboot it can find new updates, etc. All in all it takes a few days to install Win7.

      So I took the MS tool, downloaded the 1511 ISO,
  • I've seen some commentary that indicated bug problems, so hopefully this is temporary.

    The reason it should be temporary is that the upgrade process seems to take AT LEAST as long as the original upgrade install from Windows 7 did, and since the upgrade leaves behind a windows.old directory so you can roll it back I'm not sure how that interacts with an initial upgrade from Windows 7/8/8.1.
    • Yeah, the new update supports activation directly from Windows 7/8 keys instead of needing to be installed on top of an existing 7/8 to activate the first time. Word is there's a problem with some PCs that have Win8 keys stored in the BIOS; the new installer is reading the key but then activating Windows 10 Embedded/IoT instead of the correct edition.

    • I suspect that's exactly the problem. I've been experiencing, on both my testbeds (a tablet and an old laptop) frequent BSoDs with the new version, and even the installation of the update had problems (on the tablet it would get stuck at 40%, which I found out afterwards was because I have an SD card installed. Yes, seriously.)

      I'm still a little baffled they released Windows 10 at all. I'd have released Windows 8.11 (8.1 with a traditional start menu), which would have bought them time to polish 10, get

    • It's about licensing enforcement most assuredly. They're trying to deprecate existing installations of Windows 7 via a physical over-write with Windows 10. They DO NOT want you using the same key to keep both installations of Windows 7 and Windows 10 at the same time. So they force the issue by insuring you can't just do a clean install without first upgrading the key within the existing installation of Windows 7 first. Microsoft released a newer ISO, found out it broke this licensing enforcement model, and

  • So, basically ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Monday November 23, 2015 @09:17AM (#50984867) Homepage

    So essentially they're still using everyone as beta testers, releasing shitty untested software, hiding what updates actually do, and taking away our choice if we want to install this shit or not.

    Sorry, Microsoft ... we're not your damned beta testers.

    This whole bullshit of "we're going to install Windows 10 on your machine whether you like it or not" has to go. At this point, you really can't trust that any given update from Microsoft isn't the one which is going to start installing Windows 10 and screw up you computer. And, as much as they seem to think otherwise, if it your computer.

    Hey, Microsoft ... why don't you shove Windows 10 up your ass, instead of trying to shove it up ours?

    • by hairyfeet ( 841228 ) <bassbeast1968@gm ... minus herbivore> on Monday November 23, 2015 @10:51AM (#50985603) Journal

      Are you surprised? I can't believe I'm saying this but could we start a "Bring Back the Ballmernator" campaign? at least Ballmer only tried to rip off the Apple company (poorly) but Nadella with his spying, refusing to say what he is actually installing on YOUR PC (only other companies I've seen do that are ones making malware) and outright trying to force Windows "All ur data belong to us" 10 on users PCs like a fucking driveby malware attack? Well sheeit, he makes Ballmer look like a big sweaty care bear!

      I'm happy to say all of my customers are following my advice and treating Windows 10 like plague blankets and talking to others like IT guys working medical? All the spying crap has made sure Win 10 isn't welcome in their businesses either. So congrats Nadella, you may actually beat Ballmer when it comes to making the most hated OS, you have already made it so...gag...I have to actually recommend Windows fricking 8 as at least you can rip out the appstore spying crap and replace the GUI with Classic Shell and have a useful OS under your control, something that cannot be done with Windows 10 as of yet.

    • So essentially they're still using everyone as beta testers, releasing shitty untested software, hiding what updates actually do, and taking away our choice if we want to install this shit or not.

      How does this confirm that? They are now giving you the choice to install the original release and to update via Windows update. This is no different than service packs for earlier versions of Windows.

      Also Microsoft has a beta program. It's called Windows Insiders. It's actually one of the largest such beta programs in the world and they get the product quite a while to test before you did.

      None of what you said made any sense in the context of this announcement.

  • The requirement to run an entire OS installation routine for a minor upgrade is ridiculous.
    They should have handled this more like service packs.

    Christian

    • The requirement to run an entire OS installation routine for a minor upgrade is ridiculous. They should have handled this more like service packs.

      Christian

      What they should do is do an update to get rid of the damnable forced updates. They are getting closer and closer to the apocalypse predicted for the XP machines. One of these days, a sizable number of W10 users will wake up with their tailored Windows experience being a computer that won't boot.

  • I mean, what other explanation could there be?

  • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Monday November 23, 2015 @09:42AM (#50985011)
    Pull back the ISO and get that in there.
  • Downloading images I didn't get (Enterprise x64 and 32-bit, Multiple Version 32-bit) using my MSDN account.

    I wanted them handy to install directly using the Windows 7 and Windows 8 serials, as well as the semi-fixed start menu (limit changed from 512 to 2048 items).

    Perhaps they were only pulled on the public channel?

  • Microsoft spokesperson confirmed they wish people install the older version

    And I wish I'm gonna win the Lotto, but it ain't gonna happen either.

  • The NEW ISO's make it easier with keys as they take old 7 and 8 keys making clean installs easy to do Also less bandwidth usage

  • I got the 1511 ISO from or volume licensing site download. It's much nicer for us as we use PXE to install to clients. The old ISO wouldn't work for installing a clean install from PXE on a computer with Win 8 Pro licenses (in the BIOS). The new one it installs and activates fine, grabbing that Win8 Pro key from the BIOS. So no need to do an in place upgrade first. I'll keep using the 1511 ISO unless the block it somehow.
  • Some Windows users are stuck on cellular, with a monthly data allowance measured in the single digit GB, because they live outside the service area of the local cable company and the local DSL company, and the city is unwilling to allow any FTTH company access to its right of way. At this point I wonder whether cellular carriers that carry Microsoft Lumia phones are paying Microsoft to do this so that they can charge an overage fee twice: once for 3 GB of Windows 10 per PC in a household and again for 3 GB

    • But Windows 10 Mobile ain't out as yet - all the Windows Phones out there still have Windows Phone 8.1. So that issue hasn't come to phones as yet. And those w/ Verizon - it'll be a while before Windows 10 Mobile will be supported, if ever.
      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        I was referring to Windows tablets and Windows laptops whose primary Internet connection is through a mobile hotspot: "If you can figure out a way to rack up more overages for our mobile broadband customers, we'll push your Lumia phones harder in our stores." I apologize for not being clear about this.

  • Before Microsoft pulled the upgrade, I tried to install it on four perfectly-functioning domain-connected computers. It failed every time, causing old issues (explorer.exe immediately crashing every time it starts) and new ones (start button ignores mouse clicks, Cortana fails, start panel blank). In each case, I was forced to do a clean re-install to get build 10586 to work. Since Microsoft is not explaining its reasons for pulling the upgrade, we are entitled to speculate. Here’s my guess: Rest

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