Microsoft Pulls Windows 10 November Update (1511) ISOs (zdnet.com) 195
AmiMoJo writes: When Microsoft released Windows 10 version 1511 earlier this month, the company also updated the installer files it delivers via a free, downloadable media creation tool (MCT). That upgrade option worked as advertised for more than a week. This weekend, however, the new files have been pulled and the media creation tool available for download from that page instead installs the July 2015 (build 10240) release. A Microsoft spokesperson confirmed they wish people install the older version and get the 1551 update via Windows Update. The more recent release is still available via an unpublished link (EXE download).
SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:4, Insightful)
the most frustrating part of installing a fresh windows system is the updates.
Stop making it even more frustrating.
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So I took the MS tool, downloaded the 1511 ISO,
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Yeah, I did that and it was painful. My laptop upgraded, but my Winbook tablet got stuck in b/w, and I finally took it to the Microsoft store to get it done.
While I didn't care so much for the update on the laptop, where it went more smoothly, I wanted it on the tablet. That's b'cos in Tablet Mode, all the icons don't fit in a single screen, so I wanted the 4 columns of icons. I was told that this release is happening in stages, and so the one for the tablet might be available later. So I put that o
Hopefully this is temporary (Score:2)
The reason it should be temporary is that the upgrade process seems to take AT LEAST as long as the original upgrade install from Windows 7 did, and since the upgrade leaves behind a windows.old directory so you can roll it back I'm not sure how that interacts with an initial upgrade from Windows 7/8/8.1.
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Yeah, the new update supports activation directly from Windows 7/8 keys instead of needing to be installed on top of an existing 7/8 to activate the first time. Word is there's a problem with some PCs that have Win8 keys stored in the BIOS; the new installer is reading the key but then activating Windows 10 Embedded/IoT instead of the correct edition.
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So, basically ... (Score:5, Insightful)
So essentially they're still using everyone as beta testers, releasing shitty untested software, hiding what updates actually do, and taking away our choice if we want to install this shit or not.
Sorry, Microsoft ... we're not your damned beta testers.
This whole bullshit of "we're going to install Windows 10 on your machine whether you like it or not" has to go. At this point, you really can't trust that any given update from Microsoft isn't the one which is going to start installing Windows 10 and screw up you computer. And, as much as they seem to think otherwise, if it your computer.
Hey, Microsoft ... why don't you shove Windows 10 up your ass, instead of trying to shove it up ours?
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So essentially they're still using everyone as beta testers, releasing shitty untested software, hiding what updates actually do, and taking away our choice if we want to install this shit or not.
How does this confirm that? They are now giving you the choice to install the original release and to update via Windows update. This is no different than service packs for earlier versions of Windows.
Also Microsoft has a beta program. It's called Windows Insiders. It's actually one of the largest such beta programs in the world and they get the product quite a while to test before you did.
None of what you said made any sense in the context of this announcement.
running an entire Windows installer (Score:2)
The requirement to run an entire OS installation routine for a minor upgrade is ridiculous.
They should have handled this more like service packs.
Christian
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The requirement to run an entire OS installation routine for a minor upgrade is ridiculous. They should have handled this more like service packs.
Christian
What they should do is do an update to get rid of the damnable forced updates. They are getting closer and closer to the apocalypse predicted for the XP machines. One of these days, a sizable number of W10 users will wake up with their tailored Windows experience being a computer that won't boot.
Must be a massive conspiracy (Score:2)
I mean, what other explanation could there be?
Re:Must be a massive conspiracy ^H incompetence (Score:2)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by simple incompetence" [Napoleon] In the case of MSFT and other large bureaucracies, there may be no "simple", only complex incompetence.
Oops, we fogot the new telemtry stuff! (Score:3)
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The "new telemetry stuff" was the option to disable telemetry for enterprise users.
MSDN Still has the ISOs (Score:2)
Downloading images I didn't get (Enterprise x64 and 32-bit, Multiple Version 32-bit) using my MSDN account.
I wanted them handy to install directly using the Windows 7 and Windows 8 serials, as well as the semi-fixed start menu (limit changed from 512 to 2048 items).
Perhaps they were only pulled on the public channel?
"Wish"? (Score:2)
And I wish I'm gonna win the Lotto, but it ain't gonna happen either.
The NEW ISO's make it easyer with keys (Score:2)
The NEW ISO's make it easier with keys as they take old 7 and 8 keys making clean installs easy to do Also less bandwidth usage
Newer ISO was much nicer for Corporate (Score:2)
Cellular conspiracy (Score:2)
Some Windows users are stuck on cellular, with a monthly data allowance measured in the single digit GB, because they live outside the service area of the local cable company and the local DSL company, and the city is unwilling to allow any FTTH company access to its right of way. At this point I wonder whether cellular carriers that carry Microsoft Lumia phones are paying Microsoft to do this so that they can charge an overage fee twice: once for 3 GB of Windows 10 per PC in a household and again for 3 GB
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I was referring to Windows tablets and Windows laptops whose primary Internet connection is through a mobile hotspot: "If you can figure out a way to rack up more overages for our mobile broadband customers, we'll push your Lumia phones harder in our stores." I apologize for not being clear about this.
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The issue is software publishers' failure to accommodate users who, through no reasonable fault of their own, are forced into a Hobson's choice of either a limited connection or no connection at all.
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Who is using Windows10?
The people who were "accidentally" forced to "upgrade" to Windows 10, for one. Thanks MS! Supporting my aging parents from 1200 miles away is fun!
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Who is using Windows10?
The people who were "accidentally" forced to "upgrade" to Windows 10, for one. Thanks MS! Supporting my aging parents from 1200 miles away is fun!
You need modded up.
Can you imagine in your wildest dreams that 20 years after Microsoft introduced W95, that they are in the hand-cranked automobile/manual choke phase of computing?
There is just no way this kind of thing should still be going on. I'm on my third total OS upgrade on my iMac. All went seamlessly. My Wife's Linux Mint laptop is being administered by her, and has only required 1 reboot after a total OS update in the couple years since switching from W8.1.
That W10 machine I'm experimenting
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I think it must be a management decision. Get the adoption rate up by heavily "promoting" the update, not realizing or caring that it will screw up a lot of users who don't fully understand the consequences, or for whom the upgrade will simply fail.
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I think it must be a management decision. Get the adoption rate up by heavily "promoting" the update, not realizing or caring that it will screw up a lot of users who don't fully understand the consequences, or for whom the upgrade will simply fail.
To your point, cost is a big selling point for most Windows users, and with the larger installed user base, I'm surprised that W10 is only around the OSX level. Not that I care, it's like smoking famous cigarettes to me.
As well, I've already seen a lot of soundcard issues, where the users machines simply won't produce sound, and won't recognize any devices - well it sort of does - it sees the sound card, but refuses to utilize it in the programs.
The interesting part is when you try to help the users, a
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That W10 machine I'm experimenting with? Almost pretty good. But the same old Windows update crapshoot as always. Now that most people have no choice in the update matter, your computer simply is going to be borked. Even the shills have to be getting tired of this.
Which o/c is bollocks. Had every machine, which you are implying, got borked there would be a bit more of an uproar than the angry nerds complaining MS are trying to give updated software for free.
You livin' in the future? Or just don't understand "is going to be borked", which is a prediction based on past experience. I've spent a lot of time after patch tuesdays, or whne IT rolled out the updates, fixing bitched up Windows machines.
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No disagreement with your comment; it just reminded me of a Mitch Hedberg joke:
Friend of Mitch: Hey Mitch, look at this picture of me when I was younger!
Mitch: All pictures of you are when you were younger.
All of us are aging, all the time. If you are alive, you are aging.
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Some of us updated on purpose. We also go out of our way to block telemetry.
That decision was easy to make since supporting Windows 7 by preventing sneaky telemetry back doors now requires the same effort as doing so with Windows 10.
Re:Is Windows10 a thing? (Score:5, Insightful)
And regarding the idea that everybody under 30 uses a phone or tablet, sure they use phones, but I don't see many tablets out there, and laptops are practically a requirement for a college education these days, so that whole group of (under 30) people uses a Mac or PC computer as well.
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In that case, you will have manually tell Windows 10 to install the older Windows 7 or 8 driver instead (depending on the device you may have to use Safe mode to do this.)
This works quite well, in fact I have an older system in which the Windows 10 a
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and I see no reason to stay behind when the update was free. Windows 10
I can see at least a few reasons for staying with Windows 7 vs. going to Windows 10. Can't you?
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Microsoft carefully engineered it that way by removing your "rational choices" until there was only one (unless you count switching to a decent OS, an option you seem to have missed.)
You could buy a computer with "a decent OS" for $1000 at apple.com, and people in your household would have to wait their turn to use it. Or you could buy two computers with Windows for $500 and a lot less waiting. Unless you're specifically developing apps for OS X or iOS, which is more rational?
System76 prices are also a bit high (Score:2)
The argument remains valid with s-OS X-GNU/Linux-g:
You could buy a computer with "a decent OS" for $800 at system76.com, and people in your household would have to wait their turn to use it. Or you could buy two computers with Windows for $400 and a lot less waiting.
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Or you could buy two computers with Linux for $350
Where did you find new laptops that come with GNU/Linux for $350, especially since the "netbook" category was discontinued three years ago [slashdot.org]?
Or perhaps you are referring to purchasing a new Windows laptop and wiping Windows and the trialware that subsidizes Windows off its hard drive. I looked at a lot of low-cost laptops, and I found horror stories such as audio and sleep not working properly. (Source: DebianOn report for ASUS EeeBook X205TA [debian.org].)
Or by "Linux laptop" are you referring to an Android tablet with a
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There is another option, which is what I did. I bought an $800 laptop from Costco a year ago that had Windows 8.1 on it. It was so unusable that I wiped it and replaced it w/ PC-BSD 10.0, of which I had a CD. Sound worked just fine. Only issue was that the WiFi wasn't recognized, so I had to use a wired connection to the router. Other than that, everything works great.
While that was more expensive, more recently, I got a $250 laptop for my work, that had Windows 8.1 running, and now has 10. It came
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The fact that System76's current laptop offerings [system76.com] are $700, $1400, and $1950.
Re:Is Windows10 a thing? (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's the only rational decision for someone who wishes to stay with Microsoft, at least. If one is using Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1, then one may as well move to Windows 10 for free and keep the free support and updates coming. The worst parts of Win 10 are being pushed to the older OSes anyway and will likely be required to take more updates.
I enjoy Linux, but the drivers suck -- same for even OSX. Same exact hardware and Windows kills at FPS on games.
I'm slowly making all my Windows machines dual-bo
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Re:Is Windows10 a thing? (Score:5, Interesting)
A hair more use Windows 10 than OSX currently. About 4 times as many as use Linux. Over 5 times as many use Windows 7, and still more people use XP than any version of windows except 7.
Not necessarily ecstatic about the numbers, but the numbers say that Windows 10 is more relevant than OSX if you want to talk about by usage. This is an OS that's only been available for 4 months from the perspective of most people, and contrary to the way it was discussed in the media, the Windows 10 upgrade in Windows 7 actually is being pretty conservative about upgrading (I have a Windows 7 system that does not prompt, and in fact when I go to explicitly check after a Windows 10 update it still says 'please check back later to see if your platform is validated'. I had updated another system against that recommendation, but am keeping that one in that state just to see how long it would take or if MS would ever 'validate' that platform. So getting close to Windows 8.1 share this quickly is not too shabby by MS standards.
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That's really not that shocking. Most people don't "upgrade" for the sake of upgrading. Usually, at least in Windows land, an OS upgrade is tied to a hardware upgrade, and nobody is upgrading their hardware because a Core2 Duo is still working just fine as the family PC.
Only enthusiasts, gamers, and businesses are buying new PCs. Everyone else's tech spend is going to phones / tablets / etc.
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Actually, Windows 10 proves that they do if you offer it is a point and click option in the taskbar, and promise that it is free and shiny, while leaving out that they are selling out their systems security, at least unless they happen to know what they are doing more than the average person clicking that little button.
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ONLY because it's free. If people had to pay $79.99 for it the adoption rate would be 1/50th of what it is today
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See: Windows 8 adoption rates.
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Are you a major moron, or a serious moron? You really need proof that adoption rates would be radically different if it were 80 bucks rather than free?
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Major Moron I believe,
At least that is who he goes by as his gamertag on xbox live.
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and still more people use XP than any version of windows except 7
Actually this isn't true. Windows 10 surpassed XP this month. [statcounter.com]
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Are you on Windows 7 Enterprise or something? All my Windows 7 machines have been nagging incessantly since before the launch of Windows 10, and every now and again they "accidentally" re-enable the update that installs the nag app so I have to remove and block it again.
If you are not getting the nag to update and you are not on a corporate network where updates are controlled by the admins, you should be worried. Are you still getting other security updates?
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No, I presumed the system being a relatively unloved 5 year old platform causes MS to recommend waiting for it to be validated. I've had systems that was eager to update within a week of the announce, but my systems built out of older motherboards are not willing to move forward unless I went out of my way to update them.
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Not necessarily ecstatic about the numbers, but the numbers say that Windows 10 is more relevant than OSX if you want to talk about by usage.
Why would I want to talk about the usage? I don't buy Toyota Corollas because of their installed user base. I buy a tool that will do what I need to do. It's Jeeps for me and my usage pattern. Not as many sold, so I should buy a Corrolla for off road use because it's more popular than Jeeps?
That's ridiculous of course, but no more so than trumpeting the installed user base of Windows. More to real world situations - how do I run my OSX only programs on that more relevant W10 platform?
And Vice versa. I
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Well the post was talking about 5% of people doing this or that, so as a direct response to the comment, usage seems apt.
More popular platform is pretty important even if it's not the favorite. For example I massively prefer a Linux desktop distribution when I'm talking about apples to apples comparison against Windows. However I must use Windows because I need and want software the developers only target Windows. Wine gets far, but ultimately it's an uphill battle. So I have my preferred platform in pl
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Usual caveats apply, but the latest stats I can find have Windows 10 on around 8% market share. Its rise seems to have been accompanied by a significant fall in Windows 8 market share, which I'm guessing indicates that a lot of the people who bought a PC that came bundled with Windows 8 have made the jump.
I've made the switch myself on two machines; one updated from Windows 7 and one new-build which I stuck straight onto Windows 10. There is a bit of faff required to turn off the telemetry nastiness, but on
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In the case of graphics drivers, you will loose some Direct X 12 features (although not all) by using a Windows 7 driver but if the graphics chipset is that old, it probably wouldn't support the new features anyway.
If the graphics manufacturer has released a Windows 10 driver but it doesn't work for some reason, then you may have to boot Windows 10 in safe mode to force the use of th
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Did you try using the Windows 7 graphics driver in the Windows 10 install? Windows 10 supports using Windows 7 drivers.
My Windows 7 PC has an nForce chipset. The Windows 10 upgrade tool won't even let me proceed because NVIDIA refuses to make a Windows 10 driver for its GPU. Or are people supposed to seek out a half height GPU card just to qualify for the Windows 10 upgrade?
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I had this problem yesterday.
You need to remove the driver from Windows 7 and use Windows' basic driver.
Then install win 10, and find an old version of the driver, for windows 8. It will work on windows 10.
Now, we can't blame microsoft on this one: In my case it's a Geforce 6150, a motherboard i bought NINE YEARS ago. It's not Microsoft not supporting it, it's nVidia.
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If we can blame Microsoft for anything, it's for not automating the process of dropping back to the basic driver, upgrading, and installing the latest working driver. I thought things like that were why I turned on CEIP or whatever Microsoft is calling Windows telemetry nowadays: so that Microsoft could see exactly why my Windows 7 product key is not showing up on the GWX server.
I bought the Acer PC in question in 2011, not knowing then that its chipset was essentially NOS [wikipedia.org]. At the time, it was one of the fe
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Microsoft DOES have a fully working basic driver, but it requires WDDL 2.0 which your chipset doesn't support.
Fun fact: after replacing my 2009 laptop's motherboard with GeForce 8400M that died from overheating, for another model with Intel GMA, not only does it work fine, it also works with windows 10 using the "INF Update" (a small installer that tells the system "This PCI ID will work with your basic driver"). And, alas, the laptop with GMA graphics has a much smoother desktop than the geforce 6150 deskt
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I bought a second hand Toshiba laptop a few months back. It had been wiped with a clean image of Windows 7.
7 -> 10 upgrade went fine initially but then a subsequent update gave random blue screens.
An out of date Atheros wifi driver was the cause. I was able to find a newer release from Toshiba's site and yes, I needed to boot Windows in safe-mode to override the driver.
So my advice is to hunt down the newest drivers for one's hardware before upgrading.
Re:Is Windows10 a thing? (Score:4, Insightful)
That said, when my parents tried to update their aging laptop from Win7 to Win10, it locked the machine in an infinite reboot cycle, requiring me to make a 400 mile round-trip to fix it and (eventually) get it back to Win7.
I hear so many experiences like this from Windows users.
I used to deal with it myself when my sister-without telling me, bought my father a Vista Basic machine to replace the system I had set up in his house, and of course I got to maintain the POS. Much cgasoline used and many hours.
One thing I do know for certain is Windows users seldom take those long trips and wasted hours into account when they brag about how much money they save over those "expensive Macs".
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One thing I do know for certain is Windows users seldom take those long trips and wasted hours into account when they brag about how much money they save over those "expensive Macs".
The funny thing is seeing how long the typical line at the Genius bar is. The real problem here is that Mac users simply outsource their problems while you still support your parents.
Interestingly enough my girlfriend (who is currently on the other side of the world) posted something on Facebook that surprised me. She had a problem with Windows 10 and solved it by talking to the support chat staff on the Microsoft website. Indian and outsourced? Maybe. But she got the result without bugging me.
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There are wasted hours on occasion yes, but the trick is to not fix your relative's (often shitty) computers. I make it a point not to, and my parents are pretty good with their own machines these days anyway.
My poor aunt though, she can never remember her password. She's always asking for help recovering it. So I finally told her, "I don't have the magic solution to that, but I can tell you what I did to figure it out the last time it happened." There's a tool you can use for Windows XP that'll reset passw
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So you're saying buying a POS that cost 1/10th of even a midrange Windows machine causes problems? No way!
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So you are saying that cost, the raison de etre' of the Windows crowd - is not a metric? I saw a flame war erupt over 5 cents difference in the cost of memory once, and Winders fans are always blathering on about those expensive Mac, to the point that they compare top end macs with the bottom end PC's. My eep netbook is obviously superior to a loaded Mac Pro, right?
You cannot have it both ways. If those bottom end PC's are out there, you can't just go blaming the users for buying them after being conditio
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Counterargument: Macbooks aren't always $1,500. They sell units now with 128gb of storage, which fits very little - a handful of phone backups or iPhoto storage will eat that alive. 256 and 512 are obviously preferable, but one must know how much storage they will need at time of purchase, since it's not possible to upgrade later..and units with that amount of internal storage are a lot more expensive - the 1TB upgrade for a MacBook Pro is an $800 add-on. With the USB port count as low as it can go, externa
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id rather buy a MacBook every 5 years for $1500 than buy a Windooz machine for $500 every two years.
Every Mac I've ever owned has lasted atleAst 6 years.
Pretty much this. Having owned and used both PC's and Macs since just about forever ago, My Macs have always lasted longer. It's difficult to argue with upfront prices, because most people can't see beyond their nose. But I not only prefer Macs, but they are less expensive in the long run.
I guy I used to sign off on his purches for was really big on how inexpensive PC's were compared to Macs. He was in yapping one day about why we didn't save money by going all Windows PC's. I showed him by brining out th
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But it's not the manufacturer or the quality. It's simply being forced to buy better. It's hard to buy junk from Apple, because they don't sell much of it. You can do the same by spending $1500 on a Windows PC.
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One thing I do know for certain is Windows users seldom take those long trips and wasted hours into account when they brag about how much money they save over those "expensive Macs".
This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard against using Windows. This has nothing to do with the OS, and everything to do with your willingness to support someone's computer remotely. Don't want to drive? Remote in or ship the damn thing, or otherwise tell them to figure it out themselves. Don't knock a product just because you choose to be a martyr.
Bullshit - if you can't understand the simple argument I'm making, is that with an Apple, or even my wife's Linux happy, these things don't happen. I haven't had one update hosing on either OS.
I don't have to travel to fix a computer that shouldn't have been fucked up by an update in the first place. Of course it's a stupid argument for you Coward - You can't see beyond your nose.
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Who is using Windows10?
People whose laptop PCs shipped with Windows 8.1 or 10 and whose manufacturers offered no Windows 7 option with comparable hardware. Or people want security updates to continue past 2019. Or developers testing their applications and device drivers for compatibility with Windows 10.
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I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to 10 and don't regret it. Had I had 7, I'd have stayed there. But the 8.1 UI was really unusable. If there is a way to disable Telemetry while in 10, I'd do it, but I'm not gonna downgrade to 8.1. I could consider downgrading to 7 if that option were available
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Use ShutUp10 to disable telemetry and other shit.
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I don't know, but I do know that there are a hundred and ten million users out there somewhere, and that extra ten was a major milestone significant enough to advertise.
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Gamers. If you want a laptop like a MSI GT72, you get Windows 10 pre-installed. You can run Windows 7 on such laptops, but the drivers for the SteelSeries keyboard backlight and the USB ports are only available for Windows 10. The driver CD and the downloads just will not work for Windows 7.
Microsoft has put some code in the DirectX driver such that certain 3D rendering features are just not available unless Windows 10 is in use.
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It's also fine if the July build will actually install on your motherboard without having to hack a bugged microcode update out of it. Which I cannot. Oh well, guess I can put off putting all those black hole routes in place for a while longer.
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Same, still running version 10.0.10240
Maybe they've stopped the update altogether?
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http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ [ultimateoutsider.com] and download the GWX Control Panel. That will remove it as well as the downloaded install files. Not my code, but it worked for me.
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The GWX (get windows 10) Control Panel is a great tool. It lets you kill everything associated with the W10 upgrade. You can pick it up at several places including NeoWin.net.
http://www.neowin.net/news/gwx... [neowin.net]
I noticed that Windows 7 Ultimate (basically Windows 7 Enterprise edition for consumers) is selling for $300 over at eBay now. Should tell you something.
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So it says nothing that Windows 10 is free, and people are paying $300 for the old version? And as I recall my copy of Windows 7 Ultimate was something like $239 when new.
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OK, so Windows 10 is free for about 65% or more of the existing user base. That is a lot of people.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-... [statcounter.com]
I think that the relatively low, now almost flat adoption rate for Windows 10 is that people don't like the 2D interface. Plus, it is not as stable as Windows 7 and it has crap stuck on the start menu that you need to fiddle with to get rid of. It also has more "telemetry" built in. None of the so-called improvements are particularly useful (Cortana is a great example). It seem
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I like Windows 10 as well. As far as Telemetry and spying go, I just installed ShutUp10, which gave me a list of everything I can block. I just went ahead and did it.
Like I said above, I wouldn't have switched had it been from Windows 7, but that hasn't been widely available on computers for a while now, unless one does some digging, and also, support for it will end by 2020. Windows 8.1 was so bad and unusable on this laptop that I switched completely to PC-BSD. I had to get another one for Windows,
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Took me a little while to get it working the way I want (just like linux!) but now I'm content with it. I still use Ubuntu 90% of the time when I don't need Office or some weird browser plugin for my studies. I may try Shutup10 to ease my privacy concerns.
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