Wine 1.8 Released (winehq.org) 119
An anonymous reader writes: Wine 1.8.0 is now the latest stable release of Wine Is Not An Emulator and available from WineHQ.org. Wine 1.8 features include support for DirectWrite, Direct2D support, very limited Direct3D 11 support, simple application support of DIrect3D 10, support for process jobs, 64-bit architecture support on OS X, networking updates, and over 13,000 other individual changes.
Yeah (Score:4, Funny)
Time to download!
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With native Linux apps, because none of the Windows browsers work well in Wine. And no, I'm not kidding: From the apps database:
14000 apps
4000 rated as "garbage"
2600 rated as "bronze", which is usually a very generous rating
3000 rated as "silver", which translates to "keeps multiple copies of your data without corrupting old copies
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ies4linux worked fine for me. Can't really blame them that they keep apps that do not work completely.
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Interestingly running Firefox on Wine works quite good for simple browsing and is even faster then the native Linux versions. Something about the Distros not using profile guided optimizations in their builds.
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Uhhh, no:
Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, Mac OSX, & BSD.
About WINE [winehq.org]
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Nope it stands for Wine (recursive acronym for Wine Is Not an Emulator)
Re: wine (Score:3)
EINE is Not EMACS from the late 1970's followed by ZWEI Was EINE Initially in about 1978, for the MIT Lisp Machines.
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WINdows Emulator
Nope. Wine isn't an emulator, it's a Windows compatibility layer.
As https://www.winehq.org/about/ [winehq.org] puts it: "Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, Mac OSX, & BSD. Instead of simulating internal Windows logic like a virtual machine or emulator, Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly, eliminating the performance and memory penalties of o
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So it EMULATES at the API level :)
emulate
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verb
verb: emulate; 3rd person present: emulates; past tense: emulated; past participle: emulated; gerund or present participle: emulating
match or surpass (a person or achievement), typically by imitation.
"most rulers wished to emulate Alexander the Great"
synonyms: imitate, copy, reproduce, mimic, mirror, echo, follow, model oneself on, take as a model, take as an example;
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Dude, just just so owned my Ken M.
http://viralammo.com/21-hilarious-acts-of-trolling-on-the-internets-by-ken-m/
https://www.reddit.com/r/KenM/
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"Wine is an emulator. Anyone who tells you otherwise, that's just bullshit PR."
--Ryan C. Gordon [wikipedia.org] (icculus)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ6gXEoxIZI&t=4431 [youtube.com]
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It's a fucking emulator. Look up the word "emulate".
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The VM is emulating a real machine and presents a surface which mimics a real machine to Windows.
A VM doesn't "emulate" a real machine. A VM is a virtual container that actually runs on a real machine; you can't use a VM to run on a CPU/hardware architecture different from one the operating system will natively run on. With a virtual machine nothing is emulated, assuming you install the paravirtualized hardware drivers; the VM is segmented and scheduled, so it is an additional operating system
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Actually, Wine originally was an acronym of WINdows Emulator; the Wine Is Not an Emulator is a post-hoc piece of PR to try to avoid the impression of slowness that people associate with emulators. This is why it isn't called WINAE or WAAL (Windows API abstraction layer) but instead has a name that starts with WIN: because that's where the name originally came from, WIN being the common abbreviation of Windows.
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This is correct. Just as windows is an in-code implementation of the Windows API, so is WINE.
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The post you're replying to was a joke.
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Alternatively, it can mean:
Windows Is NEedded
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20 Goto 10
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Wine Is Not an Emulator (WINE) - subtly mentioned in the summary.
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I know that. but what does it stand for?
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Are you stupid or what? WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator, and Wine = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine [wikipedia.org]. It's not recursive.
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This comment reminded me of "Dude! What does mine say?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
I suspect it was intentional and not that stupid.
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Also, Wine is not an emulator in the same way that BMW is not a car. Whether the namers were being sarcastic, ironic, funny, contrary, or petulant, it does fall under the category of emulator, even if it's got significant differences from the traditional ones most people are familiar with. (It's kind of like arguing, That's not Red, it's Sanguine with a touch of Sunset Rose.)
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It runs Space Cadet Pinball just fine, which is the only Windows program I care about running.
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I don't know.
THIRD BASE!!
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Wine Is Not an Emulator
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That would be an initialism. WINE is an acronym.
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For instance, 'Laser' is an acronym for 'Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation', and not 'Labseor'.
Also, 'FBI' is an acronym for 'Federal Bureau of Investigation', and not 'FBOI', though I've heard a bunch of unofficial translations that are much funnier.
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Wine is much less reliable and yields much lower performance than recompiling this same application with Winelib.
So are Microsoft using CodePlex or GitHub for the Office for Windows source code?
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Why do you even bother responding to ACs?
In this case, for the lulz.
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Awesome! (Score:1)
I use it every day for some application that is unfortunately not ported to Linux yet.
So Who Needs Windows? (Score:1)
When you got Winae? Out the window goes windows.
Wine gets better with age (Score:1)
Only another 16 years till we get the golden wine 3.1 release. What will become of MS on the desktop / slab / server in 16 years.
Phoronix? (Score:1)
How does a phoronix link sneak into an article about wine? The anonymous poster is probably Michael Larabel himself, trying to grub more money.
Why not make & run a Windows VM? (Score:3)
Seems to me that the best approach, given both modern multi-core processors, would be doing something like ReactOS, and making VMs, jails and zones out of it running on Linux, BSD and UNIX.
Have 2 editions - one an XP based win32 edition, and a 7 based win64 edition
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A Windows VM anywhere inside your network can be a profound security hole for a number of system architectural reasons. It can also create an undesired and unexpected maintenance cost to keep them active and secured. There are old programs, especially finance software, which may be business critical that run under Wine but not on modern Windows systems. Those programs are also particularly vulnerable to Windows support issues when the original programmers are out of business, or got bought by a company that
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> Why would a VM be a security hole? Particularly if it's a jail, or a zone? It operates in its own space, separate from others, so if something else infects it, it can be closed from the parent OS.
The main reason is because very few environments bother to create, or to maintain such a restrictive environment. Such a system is, ideally, completely isolated from the rest of the network. Unfortunately, that also means it can no longer use network printers, it can no longer provide or collect information wi
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Re:Why not make & run a Windows VM? (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps because you don't care to pay for a Windows license, or agree to Microsoft's EULA?
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> Perhaps because you don't care to pay for a Windows license, or agree to Microsoft's EULA?
That Windows EULA is some serious 1984 shit too lol
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Re:Why not make & run a Windows VM? (Score:4, Insightful)
Having it run in the actual host OS via using libraries has a large number of advantages - from the utterly obvious of being able to cut and paste between applications onwards. Do you really want to muck about transferring the files you want to work on to a VM? I've done that and it gets old fast even for hobby stuff.
Having to run an entire extra desktop with all the overhead to run a single application may be the way that people are used to doing it with RDP and MS Windows, but it's a pain in the neck in comparison to just clicking on a menu item or icon to start the thing as if it was in it's native OS.
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You can easily access the host file system with Virtualbox. It basically sets up a Samba share on the linux host and adds the shared folder to your network which you access via Windows Explorer in the Windows VM. I've been using this with MS Office running in seamless mode and it works really well.
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ReactOS is wine-based.
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except REACTOS is unstable and not suitable for any real world use. Let's confine the discussion to things that actually work
What's the point of this project (Score:1)
Either run native Linux apps, use a windows machine or a virtual machine.
This is still a thing? (Score:2)
I thought the usefulness of this died a long time ago with modern virtual machines. Especially since program like VMWare can run windows apps "natively" meaning the windows are outside the emulator and look like regular windows.
I'm not trying to troll, but I'm genuinely interested. What benefit does WINE provide over a modern virtual machine program?
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You need need the heartache of a vm, with all the "tamagotchi" handholding that entails. Right now i can install wine, then an app, and...done. It works. I don't want to have to buy a copy of windows 7/xp/whatever, keep it patched all the time (boring), no i don't want windows 8, no i don't want to reboot etc etc.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but VMWare can't run windows apps "natively". It creates a virtual machine that can run genuine Windows that can run windows apps.
So you still need a genuine copy of Microsoft Windows.
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Re:This is still a thing? (Score:4, Informative)
You do realize that ReactOS relies heavily on Wine to implement a lot of the compatibility for the Windows API, right?
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Just guessing but I'd think a majority is gaming where dual boot is still an issue. Mainly because of the difficulty getting good graphics performance through a VM (i.e. older games using Direct3d exclusively). There's a few games that really do run great under Wine, every once in a while I'll fire up Flatout2 and it runs flawlessly.
Oooo, WingDings... (Score:1)
- The built-in Wingdings font contains more glyphs. ...because...important, yes?
So ... 20+ years later (Score:1)
.... it is still not mature enough to leave the 1.x. tag.
Honestly, by now what is the point of WINE? The list of supported applications is so pathetically small (and ridiculously old) that I don't see any point of wasting time and effort on it. The world is moving away from Windows and even platform dependency.
Wine is too little too late.
Nobody even cares any longer. (Score:2)
Windows as a lock-in platform is on life support and meanwhile Wine still doesn't run a single Windows application with perfect transparency.
What's the point?
Re: Nobody even cares any longer. (Score:2)
Maybe in the consumer area but in the corporate sector it's still firmly entrenched.
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uhh.. direct2d is a relatively new api. starcraft came out in the late 90s. I think you're thinking of directdraw, which wine already supports.
Re:Does it STILL USE X11 on OS X ?? (Score:5, Informative)
If so, then it's a total non-starter period.
Last time I tried wine on OS X was 3 or 4 years ago, and it wanted me to install X11, and I said screw this, I'll just run Windows in parallels.
If you're not even going to make an attempt at writing a normal native app on OS X, then seriously, don't even bother, all you're doing is embarrassing yourselves and pissing off users by giving the false impression you've actually spent more than 5 seconds in OS X.
I'd say maybe you should spend 5 seconds googling yourself ... There has been a native Mac driver since Wine 1.6: https://www.winehq.org/announc... [winehq.org]
I hadn't used Wine in a while either but installed Fallout 2 last night and played without X11/XQuartz. I just had to enable the mac driver as I don't think it's on by default.
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install https://www.playonmac.com/ [playonmac.com] it's a wine frontend/manager.
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Maybe you should think the other way around. If OS X doesn't support X natively then it's a non-starter. One of the many reasons I don't use propritary Apple products.
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Re:Does it STILL USE X11 on OS X ?? (Score:4, Informative)
If you're not even going to make an attempt at writing a normal native app on OS X, then seriously, don't even bother, all you're doing is embarrassing yourselves and pissing off users by giving the false impression you've actually spent more than 5 seconds in OS X.
I'm sure they are deeply embarrassed with themselves because some anonymous guy on the internet is whiny that free stuff he's not being forced to use isn't good enough.
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Think ho
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A half assed attempt is far worse than no attempt at all.
All the people who use it disagree with you.
The rest, what the ever living hell are you talking about? Windows apps are never going to look native on OSX, so what does it matter if it uses X11? It's not like using quartz will magically make them look like OSX apps,because they were written for Window. Your rant is also nonsensical since this is a third party thing. It's for people who choose to try and run a windows program on a mac.
But whatever: it's
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$DEITY, this is Poe's Law in effect, right here.
Look, Mr. Buzzword, this is a compatibility layer. It's for people who desperately want to run some specific piece of software on a platform it otherwise would not run. They really don't care if it's a "100% native user xperience" (I really can't believe you typed that with a straight face). They care that the shit is running. At all. Maybe you and your friends are freaked out by everything that doesn't look exactly like iTunes, but for those of us who care mo
Re: Does it STILL USE X11 on OS X ?? (Score:3)
The release notes for wine 1.6 (https://www.winehq.org/announce/1.6), which was released on 18 July 2013, state:
"*** Mac driver
- A native Mac OS X driver is implemented, for better integration with the Mac desktop environment. The full range of driver features are supported, including OpenGL, window management, clipboard, drag & drop, system tray, etc.
- X11 is no longer needed on Mac OS X, but the X11 driver is still supported, e.g. when running remotely. Note: the Mac driver requires Mac OS X 10.6 or l
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Typing out "period" makes you look retarded. Especially when you end the sentence with another period.
Oh, the irony! :-)
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Because there's more to life than games?
When you have a business with lots of money invested into a piece of code that runs your business, is custom, and can only be tinkered with by high-end and expensive coders, your money may well be better invested in getting it working on Wine than either porting it (a MASSIVE task that far too many people underestimate) or patching it (and thus playing with the program and potentially breaking it).
Lots of people are stuck on Windows programs - it's easy to say "they s