Internet Explorer 8, 9, and 10 Reach End-of-Life Next Week (thenextweb.com) 250
An anonymous reader writes: On Tuesday, January 12, Microsoft Internet Explorer 8, 9, and 10 will officially reach their end of life. A new patch going live soon will add a notification that nags users to upgrade. "What's even bigger about the end of life for these versions is that this means Internet Explorer 11 is the last version of Microsoft's old browser that's left supported, as the company continues to transition customers to Edge on Windows 10."
Edge (Score:4, Informative)
Edge sucks (no ad-block)
Re:Edge (Score:5, Funny)
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They had OFFICIAL support?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Re:Edge (Score:4, Insightful)
In the meantime, until Edge gains support for content-blocking plug-ins, you can keep the worst ad networks from resolving at the DNS level [howtogeek.com].
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So now we know APK's alt...
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privoxy.org will block most (for me all) ads. Edge is pretty legit with ad blocking.
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Edge sucks (no ad-block)
That is the reason I am not currently using it. Hopefully when they enable extensions, then we can have our blockers.
Re:Former Linux/Firefox user now using W10/Edge. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Former Linux/Firefox user now using W10/Edge. (Score:4, Insightful)
One reason Edge is not ready for deployment is because it doesn't run on Linux on Mac.
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One reason Edge is not ready for deployment is because it doesn't run on Linux on Mac.
Or Windows 7, 8 or 8.1.
Or even Windows 10, if you're running Enterprise on the Long-Term Servicing Branch (LTSB), as surely most big businesses who switch will be.
I think Microsoft have miscalculated on this one: if Edge isn't going to force most customers to switch to Windows 10, then not having Edge on the more popular Windows versions is just going to limit its relevance and make IE11 the new IE8.
Translation: "End-of-life" means more control. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Translation: "End-of-life" means more control. (Score:5, Insightful)
Essentially, yes .. if you haven't upgraded to our new hotness by now, we're going to abandon you and not give a crap what happens.
If you have upgraded to the new hotness, we have total control over your PC and mission accomplished.
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Clearly a very bias opinion.
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Sweet Jesus, I wasn't aware of this.
Tell me, how does Microsoft force anyone to use anything?
Not entirely true (Score:5, Informative)
This would mean that IE9 will remain supported on Vista. According to Windows lifecycle fact sheet [microsoft.com], Vista's support doesn't end until April 2017, and IE9 is the most current version of Internet Explorer available for Vista.
Vista's fucked (Score:2, Interesting)
The linked article doesn't give the full picture. (Score:5, Informative)
"Beginning January 12, 2016, only the most current version of Internet Explorer available for a supported operating system will receive technical support and security updates. Please visit the Internet Explorer Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ here http://support.microsoft.com/g... [microsoft.com] for list of supported operating systems and browser combinations."
So if you are running Vista SP2, which supports only up to IE9, you are still OK, it is still supported, as shown at the Internet Explorer Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ link above. Running Server 2012 (Not R2), then IE10 is still supported. Yes the article is valid for the operating systems they are referring to, but it doesn't paint a complete picture of what is going on for all of Microsoft's operating systems. Older IEs are supported for some operating systems, just not the two mentioned in the article.
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Why the fuck can't they port IE11 to Vista?
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MISS INFORMATION or poor assumption (Score:2)
the company continues to transition customers to Edge on Windows 10."
Internet Explorer is NOT being discontinued anytime soon. There are a number of devices, enterprises, corporations and government entities that still use software written is god awful proprietary models such as ActiveX and still need to be available until they move away. Add to that the number of web services with NTLM support and you increase the number of users still needing IE.
So the reality is that Edge is being pushed as the browser for 99% of users. IE is still available in Windows 10 but is not "in
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Who really cares? (Score:4, Insightful)
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I use Explorer every so often. To download Chrome or Firefox, but still... :P
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Safari is only on OS X and iOS. And since the day Opera switched to Blink I've stopped counting them as a different choice anymore.
So it's really Chrome or Firefox now.
But Firefox keeps destroying their own browser for stupid reasons, remove or change things that people like and add things that nobody wants or even asked for.
That means there's only Chrome, unless you're a Windows users which means you can choose between Chrome and Edge.
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Maybe if you and your industry complained to your vendors more about allowing you to use any browser, stuff like this wouldn't happen. Honestly, any company that codes to a specific browser, these days, should be run out of business.
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With any luck, this will hurt your company enough, financially, that your management will think twice, before they code a web application to a specific browser, again.
IE11 push (Score:2)
My IT Department has been pushing out IE11 across all the corporate offices for months, and the IT Apps have been working since last year to make sure all custom apps work with it. SAP/Oracle was the only issue, but work around came as it was an industry standard.
We have daily quotas to hit home users who vpn in, to make sure they are upgraded, since they dont run AD login scrips. Its been quite the wack-a-mole to get all users upgraded.
And last year was the EOL of XP too, that was a fun rollout of new upgr
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Seems utterly pointless, given the use cases? (Score:3)
I mean, I understand how MS is doing this, where "the latest version of IE that can run on your supported OS is still supported" .... but here's the thing? People out there building new web sites for the masses are NOT going to waste time making sure they render perfectly on IE 8 or 9, in most cases. If they work, great... But the bulk of the QA testing is going to happen around the latest version of the browser (IE 11) -- and even that may die out with more emphasis placed on pages working well in "Edge" and Win 10.
So seems to me, in the "real world", the people sticking with using an older IE like 8 or 9 are doing so purposely, because they run older web-based applications or internal Intranet sites/portals that were coded specifically for those browser versions. We've already reached the point where you're stuck using an old version of a Microsoft OS just so you can keep doing that. So whether MS declares the old browsers "unsupported" or "supported" means little more than a technicality. (If I was MS, I would do this "dance" about supported versions too, just because I wouldn't want to deal with headaches from some idiot still on Vista who refuses to spend a buck to upgrade it, and now wants to argue over what "extended support for Vista" really means.) But are these people really all worried about missing a few security patches from MS for those old IE versions? Heck -- there's more inherent security weakness in using IE vs. an alternative browser!
Essentially, you should be using IE 11 or an alternative browser like Chrome or FireFox for everything at this point, *unless* you're in some weird "edge case" scenario where you still need outdated software to work with other outdated software you can't live without. Those situations will ALWAYS happen, and that's why you can still download a freeware CP/M emulator for Windows and other oddball apps like that. MS may as well realistically call all IE browsers before 11 "dead" and let people do as they wish with them.
Oklahoma unemployment site (Score:5, Interesting)
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So, their unemployment website requires a costly OS to be accessed? Is that supposed to be a joke?
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No the unemployment website requires an OS that's available at every workplace, school, public library and internet cafe to be accessed.
Don't confuse the cost of the OS with oppressing the poor. It would be far worse if it ONLY supported free OSes.
That said it's still an absurd requirement.
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I am so not surprised at this.
also not a joke: when you go to the tag agency here to renew your registration, the computers they have are, no joke, TRS-80s. and ill note this isn't because (or just because) Oklahoma privatized tag registration to private companies, but rather because... they are the only computers able to communicate with the state computers that hold the actual database.
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that's the words of the people working there anyway, when I asked it.
but again, when it comes to being backwards, this state continues defy my least expectations.
HTML5 and CSS3 (Score:2)
So long, older Internet Explorer versions. Don't let the door kick you on the ass on your way out.
There's still IE11 to deal with, but it doesn't suck as much as the older versions.
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Like if that would mean a thing (Score:3)
Help us save IE6! Sign the Petition (Score:2)
Petition to save IE6!
IE6 has been the victim of false and misleading accusations all over the web, such as complaints about its compatibility with web standards. This is simply the confused ramblings of a vocal minority. After all, how can IE6 be violating standards when it has essentially BEEN the standard for years?
The SaveIE6 campaign is all about showing the world the benefits of using the web browser IE6. There are currently too many browsers with too many unnecessary features. They are hard to use and render web sites badly and inconsistently. Contrast this with IE6â(TM)s proven technology and well-documented behavior.
Please support the SaveIE6 campaign and help make the internet a better place!
You can help out here: http://www.saveie6.com/ [saveie6.com]
-grin-
So... IE 6 is still alive??? (Score:2)
Good to see that they didn't EOL IE 6... forever!
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What accessibility bug?
I'm Stuck on IE 10 (Score:2)
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https://social.technet.microso... [microsoft.com]>
Dealing with different versions but you should be able to modify the instructions.
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Also already tried:
Repairing Update process with Microsoft Fix it 50123
System Update Readiness Tool
Manually Reinstalling IE9
Manually Reinstalling IE10
Manually Installing IE11
Un
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You mentioned it is a work computer. Have you considered backing up your files and re-imaging? If it's a work computer their licensing should accommodate that. I'd say you are already pretty far past the point where that common practice would take place.
Wow - And I remember being annoyed when the help desk would tell me rebooting my machine would fix any error I could encounter (you know - rather than fixing the problem.)
Now the solution is to re-image
Re:Internet exploder (Score:4, Funny)
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And still other OSs with issues too. Just one announced now on /.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]
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Until you end up on video sites that say "Please reenable Flash" on those browsers for which the site doesn't say "Please install our app".
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The narrow view of a basement dweller. You sir are not read to be making decisions for any corporation or enterprise. Each tech has it's pros and cons.
That may be true, but it is also true that my work life would be significantly improved if Microsoft Windows disappeared.
Re: Can we end-of-life Microsoft instead? (Score:2)
If we don't have Microsoft, who is the best contender to fill the gap? Linux is not a suitable desktop replacement, but does well on the server; MacOS means being able buying hardware from only one company and for the other contenders their maturity just isn't there.
I may not be a big fan of Microsoft, but I have to accept they fill the general day to day needs of corporations quite well.
Re: Can we end-of-life Microsoft instead? (Score:4, Informative)
Linux is not a suitable desktop replacement,
Linux is a perfectly good desktop system. The main issues you'll run into are driver issues and lack of application support, especially in laptops. Ease of use is not a problem.
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Linux is not a suitable desktop replacement,
Linux is a perfectly good desktop system. The main issues you'll run into are driver issues and lack of application support, especially in laptops. Ease of use is not a problem.
Well for one you admit in your sig that SystemD is not all that great.
Also those of us who still run old IE more than likely are in a corporate environment. You know those environments which use jscript for the x and y's that are stored in doubles instead of floats in IE 6 so running any other browser outside of QUIRKS mode will incorrectly place them correctly (oxymoron right) so the webpages are scrambled in every other browser ... and many many other ancient exotic bugs just to make it display in 2001 wh
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Well for one you admit in your sig that SystemD is not all that great.
I do admit so. Even so, it's better than Windows :)
As for the rest, my sympathies to you.
Re: Can we end-of-life Microsoft instead? (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows is innately no better at driver support than Linux, and in many cases is worse (jWindows is better on new hardware, which is when it matters most for purchasers of new computers).
GNU/Linux or Android? (Score:2)
Richard Stallman was right about one thing.
If Windows disappeared, then manufacturers would release drivers primarily for Linux, and applications would be written primarily for Linux.
By "Linux" did you mean GNU/Linux or Android? Because I've already seen a lot of application developers forgo a Windows desktop application in favor of one for Android. (Case in point: Try signing up for an account to comment on Instagram pictures or chat with WhatsApp users without a major smartphone sometime.) And if GNU/Linux, then why it and not OS X or iOS?
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(Case in point: Try signing up for an account to comment on Instagram pictures or chat with WhatsApp users without a major smartphone sometime.)
That's a good point.
And if GNU/Linux, then why it and not OS X or iOS?
I refuse to use iOS because Apple has root, not me.
Manufacturers will continue to avoid OSX for the same reason they do now: all OSX hardware is built by one company.
External peripheral makers love OS X (Score:2)
I refuse to use iOS because Apple has root, not me.
People who disagree with the maker of a phone or game console having root are unfortunately outnumbered.
Manufacturers will continue to avoid OSX for the same reason they do now: all OSX hardware is built by one company.
All internal hardware is built by one company. But through USB and Thunderbolt, Apple has provided plenty of space outside the case for third-party peripherals. A lot more peripheral packaging advertises support for OS X than for "Linux" (presumably GNU/Linux).
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People who disagree with the maker of a phone or game console having root are unfortunately outnumbered.
Yeap. But that's ok, I don't mind being in the minority.
All internal hardware is built by one company. But through USB and Thunderbolt, Apple has provided plenty of space outside the case for third-party peripherals.
You are right, but I imagine if Windows disappeared, it would be similar to the phone market when iOS came out. Dell, Asus, HP, Lenovo, etc would join together to try to counter the Apple threat, because their business-lives would depend on it. Also, the manufacturers for whatever internal hardware Apple didn't choose, would also have reason to support an alternative to Apple.
The market pressure for an open platform is just too large. We saw it with
Things end up discontinued (Score:2)
I don't mind being in the minority.
The problem with being in the minority is that the products on which you rely are likely to end up discontinued. A minority preferred 10-inch low-cost laptop PCs, but they were discontinued at the end of 2012 [slashdot.org].
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No. Not in this context. If Windows disappeared, then manufacturers would release drivers primarily for Linux, and applications would be written primarily for Linux.
No, they wouldn't... That is a nerd's wet dream, but it isn't going to happen.
Something else, probably OS X or something like it, would take Windows place.
For-profit companies generally don't want a "FREE" OS taking hold.
Re: Can we end-of-life Microsoft instead? (Score:4, Insightful)
> For-profit companies generally don't want a "FREE" OS taking hold.
Linux has already taken hold everywhere but a few small Windows holdouts, like desktops and other niche uses. And this massive grab was fueled by for-profit companies.
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That is an interesting point of view...
"a few small Windows holdouts", like a billion desktops...
The consumer end of computers isn't going to Linux, no one cares what OS runs their TV or appliance.
Geeks who have these delusions of grandeur of Linux taking over are kidding themselves.
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Have you heard of Android? That shows how a free OS can gain a significant market share.
That is exactly what I mean, when geeks have these delusions of grandeur when it comes to free software...
Tell me, what percentage of Android phones are actually pure Android? How many people who own an Android phone have installed anything outside of the Google Play store?
If I buy a Samsung Galaxy phone, does it come with a simple, free and open OS, or does it come locked down and running a custom shell provided by Samsung with only Google Play as the easy source of programs?
In many respects, Windows on t
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At very least, you don't have a very coherent post.
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I can't make it any more clear, if you don't understand it, then that really isn't my problem.
The version of Android installed on the vast majority of cell phones is anything BUT free and open... It might as well have nothing to do with generic Android.
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The problem with letting things get stable is that, compared to the average user experience in Windows, Linux is still far, far behind. It's improved dramatically in recent years, largely because various devs stopped being content with the status quo and started pushing in other directions.
I use Windows, OSX, and Linux daily. In Linux, I primarily use Fedora, CentOS, Ubuntu, and Kali. I have KDE running in Fedora and CentOS, Gnome in Ubuntu, and Cinnamon in Kali. I've watched how they've changed over th
Re: Can we end-of-life Microsoft instead? (Score:4, Insightful)
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For corporate use, it's almost all using Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Outlook, and a browser, with some less frequent use of Plan and Access. In other words, Microsoft Office is the primary thing keeping corporations on Windows. Out of those Outlook is the real sticking point because the others do very well with alternatives like Open/Libre Office. The reason Outlook is such a bitch to discard is that so many corporations sold their souls to Exchange on the servers.
However, so many corporate workers are gett
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Wow, that's a steaming pile of crap. Many of the problems on that list were fixed a long time ago (printer drivers), can't be solved, because vendors won't document their products, or exist in Windows, too (out-of-the-box nVidia support).
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I want to make one thing crystal clear - Windows, in some regards, is even worse than Linux and it's definitely not ready for the desktop either.
So it's kind of irrelevant
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The CEO told me I can work in my underwear if I close the door. Should I take him up on it?
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Privacy is the only benefit that you get with running Linux on the desktop. All other areas (for example performance, stability, security and quality assurance) are garbage when compared to Windows.
Linux stability is garbage, you said?
# uptime
13:06:17 up 1263 days, 1:01, 4 users, load average: 0.48, 0.40, 0.29
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At least with Windows, you can be sure that there will be a driver for each piece of hardware in your computer for the version of Windows that came with it. GNU/Linux, on the other hand, doesn't ship on PCs available in major retail chains. Mail-order GNU/Linux PC brands such as System76 have two problems: you're buying sight unseen with no way to test the screen or keyboard, and because of their lack of volume, they're usually a lot more expensive than a Windows PC of comparable size.
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Because network effects (Score:2)
The quality-of-life for everyone on the planet would improve by an order of magnitude if we could EOL Microsoft entirely and move on to a FOS OS
Why do you care what anyone uses?
Because without a broad user base on a Free operating system, developers of applications and hardware peripherals are unlikely to spend much effort on making their products compatible with a Free operating system.
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Even as a Linux fanboy, I agree with this statement. I don't care if you run iOS or Windows or if you think Linux isn't ready for the desktop. I'm quite happy, just leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. Except you aren't alone, are you, with Microsoft/Apple watching over your every move, but that's not my problem; if you don't care I don't care.
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rather than a government that supports the rich and powerful (dictatorship of the rich)
The word you're looking for is "oligarchy".
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Re:Edge? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would you disable UAC?
Do you log in to your Linux boxes as root and do everything as a super user? Why would you do that on Windows?
Logging in as root momentarily (Score:2)
Do you log in to your Linux boxes as root and do everything as a super user?
Some Debian users do. Debian doesn't set up sudo by default, instead expecting users to log in as root using a password chosen during installation. They log in as root, make changes, and log out. Ubuntu, on the other hand, doesn't create a root password during installation but instead sets up sudo to create a similar elevation flow to OS X and Windows 6+.
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The Debian installer must have changed since I last used it. I remember (3 or 4 years ago) I was prompted to create a root password and an initial user.
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because I don't like being asked a million times whether I really want to do every stupid little random thing.
UAC is an abomination unto the gods, may it burn eternally in the pit of fire.
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Funny, Edge seems to run just fine for me with UAC disabled.
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What's bad about the metro UI in 2012?
I personally find it convenient. Configured it once and bam, all administrative tools are in one place and organized. The day you need something not in there you just deal with it...
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No start button without installing a 3rd party app. Hot corners are a bitch to use through a windowed VNC-style interface, or through Hyper-v Machine viewer. No easy way to get a nice alphabetical list of installed programs for when I can't remember what the program was called. Try having several versions of SQL Management tools installed and picking the right one from the truncated titles displayed in Metro. Server Manager starts crashing randomly until server is rebooted (Doesn't seem to happen in R2)
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Disclaimer: I do not use MS products.
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Uh, yes, that's correct. Instead of "keeping people safe", it probably has more to do with the developers at Microsoft not wanting to make changes to 4 different versions of their software across multiple operating systems when they could only do it to 1. If you're concerned about safety at all then maybe consider using a browser that was released within the past 3 years instead of counting on Microsoft to hold your hand.
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Double tap!
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I hear they also use computers, and drive cars.
because this somehow affects you, you should probably stay inside.
no wait, they also live in houses and apartments. you should go outside.
doh! they like going outdoors! I guess your screwed.