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Facebook Expands Online Commerce Role, But Says "No Guns, Please" 191

The New York Times reports that Facebook's newly staked-out role as a site to facilitate local, person-to-person sales (ala Craigslist) has a new wrinkle: the site has announced a site-wide policy restricting firearms sales that applies to personal sales, though not to licensed dealers or gun clubs. According to the story, Although Facebook was not directly involved in gun sales, it has served as a forum for gun sales to be negotiated, without people having to undergo background checks. The social network, with 1.6 billion monthly visitors, had become one of the worldâ(TM)s largest marketplaces for guns and was increasingly evolving into an e-commerce site where it could facilitate transactions of goods. ... Facebook said it would rely on its vast network of users to report any violations of the new rules, and would remove any post that violated the policy. Beyond that, the company said it could ban users or severely limit the ways they post on Facebook, depending on the type and severity of past violations. If the company believed someoneâ(TM)s life was in danger, Facebook would work with law enforcement on the situation. The policy applies as well to private sales that occur using Facebook Messenger, though the company does not scan Messenger exchanges and must rely on user reports.
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Facebook Expands Online Commerce Role, But Says "No Guns, Please"

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  • by rudy_wayne ( 414635 ) on Saturday January 30, 2016 @12:16AM (#51400999)

    The social network, with 1.6 billion monthly visitors, had become one of the worldâ(TM)s largest marketplaces for guns

    • And if that were in a any way true, why was the BATFE not rounding up criminals by the millions? Oh yeah, because criminals weren't buying guns online through Facebook.

  • Astro-turfing (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    What's going on with the comments here? It's like the Brady Campaign sent out an action alert and all their drones showed up to post.

  • Typical BS (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    A list, state by state, showing the laws as far as guns go. Permit to purchase, registration, carry permits, and more--including background checks requirements for private sales. Most of the states on that list require absolutely no background check, license, transfer of ownership, paperwork, etc as far as face to face sales go. This is a state matter and 100% legal. What facebook is doing--that is, blackballing discussion of it across the

    • pornography is legal too, as are many other things in various places that aren't allowed on facebook. Personally I don't care one way or the other, but it is there site they are free to make whatever rules they like.
    • by tsotha ( 720379 )

      What facebook is doing--that is, blackballing discussion of it across the board--is morally wrong, seeing as face to face sales are legal in most states.

      I'm about as pro-gun as they come, but I can't agree with this statement. Facebook is a private company, and as such they're entitled to restrict speech on their site in any way they please. Morality doesn't enter into it at all.

      • by mwvdlee ( 775178 )

        They're not even restricting speech; they're restricting commerce.
        You still have the freedom to discuss these gun sales restrictions and to try and get Facebook to change it's stance.

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          Don't worry that'll change. Especially after Merkel went to FB and said to censor anything to do with migrants.

      • I agree with you up to the point that, we as a society, have decided that the government WILL NOT allow businesses to pick and choose with whom they do business.

        A private restaurant serving a black person being an old example and a professional artist refusing to create a piece of art for a gay wedding being a recent example. Wholesalers picking and choosing which retailers to service for reasons other than ability to pay would be another example. Why then should the government not step in and charge Facebo

    • by mwvdlee ( 775178 )

      What facebook is doing--that is, blackballing discussion of it across the board--is morally wrong,

      Lucky for us they are completely not doing that.

      You're allowed to discuss the sale of guns on Facebook all you want, you're just not allowed to do the actual selling of guns.

      Have you ever listend to politicians? They're constantly saying and discussing things that are against the law; it's their job. If they were only allowed to stay within the law, you wouldn't need politicians. But they're damn well not allowed to do any of it until they can get the law changed.

      That is what free speech is about; the freed

      • The way I read the policy is that people are not allowed to advertise the selling of guns except for licensed dealers who are then not allowed to accept payment via Facebook.

        I guess you are correct in that so far Facebook seems to be willing to allow people to post something like "Yeah, Moe's Hardware has a pretty decent assortment of guns and their prices are fair."

  • Another reason of many why I gave up on facebook.
  • Ah yes (Score:4, Insightful)

    by tsotha ( 720379 ) on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:53AM (#51401219)
    Another billionaire with 24/7 armed security doesn't understand why anyone would want a gun.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      I live in the middle of the ghetto and I have no guns

      why do you need a gun?

    • Another billionaire... doesn't understand why anyone would want a gun.

      He and his ilk understand exactly why it's in the best interests of individual citizens to be armed; it's tends to be the majority (i.e. the easily-duped) who don't get it.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Statistically you are more likely to get shot of you own one (most likely by your own gun), so it's more like people who understand numbers also understand that psychology often leads to bad decisions.

      • by chihowa ( 366380 )

        Statistically, you're more likely to die from a ladder fall if you own one, so our governments should bad all lawful possession of ladders to protect us from our own poor decisionmaking.

        Keep your safety-padded overly-nerfed world to yourself. Not everybody wants to live in a state of constant fear in an overly protected world. You nervous nancies and your kitchen knife bans...

      • by tsotha ( 720379 )
        Statistics are meaningless in the context of an individual. It seems perfectly reasonable to eschew gun ownership for yourself if you have problems with depression or substance abuse.
      • Says no valid study of the US ever unless they are including suicides. Your bogus little statistic is often thrown out trying to discourage people from owning guns and then an example of someone losing control of their gun and it being turned on them is tossed out. However, the since the statistic only holds true if suicides are included the valid example should be a suicide. The truth is that roughly 22,000 suicides are committed with guns in the US and it is very likely that 99% or more of them are with a

  • ponies.... (Score:4, Funny)

    by i.r.id10t ( 595143 ) on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:01AM (#51401351)

    One of the FB gun buying/selling/trading groups that is for my local city is now known as the "awesome pony trading group". And posts are all edited to reference equines, saddles (holsters) and tack (ammo)

  • The gun thing annoys me, but hey, Facebook is a private company. What I really want to be banned off of Facebook is any mention of any entity with any connection, no matter how tenuous, with anyone associated with the Kardumassians.
  • Did he use Facebook to sell guns to the Mexican drug cartels?

  • the gun sellers and buyers. They have a huge database of gun owners as well as those iterated in buying waiting to be targeted. Advertisers as well as law enforcement might pay good money for that information.

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