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Another Windows 10 Update Causing Problems ( 354

New submitter sexconker writes: The recently-released cumulative update for Windows 10 (KB3140743) is reportedly causing problems. Symptoms include crashes, BSODs, and the inability to boot, even in safe mode. The Windows 10 subreddit has many threads detailing the inability to boot. The only fix seems to be booting to a recovery ISO, uninstalling the update / rolling back, and hoping you don't get hit again. W10Privacy 2 claims to be able to (among other things) give Windows 10 users control over the automatic updates.
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Another Windows 10 Update Causing Problems

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  • Seriously (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MrKrillls ( 3858631 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:15PM (#51644201)
    After the Win 8 mess, I'm sure Microsoft is hugely focused on reliability, and yet a series of errors with updates like this happen. Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity? I ask this seriously - not as a Msft hater or as a troll, but I really wonder how/why it seems 10 is struggling. I no longer use Windows so maybe I'm missing out on something obvious to people more knowledgeable.
    • Re:Seriously (Score:4, Insightful)

      by omtinez ( 3343547 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:27PM (#51644259)
      Nothing further from the truth. Windows 8 might have been a fiasco, but it was not unreliable. After the Windows 8 mess, Microsoft fired half of the testers in the Windows organization and made the other half work solely on telemetry. Windows is now trying very hard to be an "agile" project. So far, they have nailed the fail fast part!
      • Re:Seriously (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @03:07PM (#51644467)

        Mostly they wanted to rely on their users to be a huge tester group. I mean, the idea is brilliant: You get a few MILLION testers, all with different hard- and software setups, all with setups that do not only reflect real life machines or are set up to be like real machines used by real people, but that ARE machines used by real people! And all of them have to be beta testers, willing or not, because they can't turn off getting any and all patches you crank out pushed on their machines. And should it actually work out, you can roll the patch out to the real customers, i.e. the companies paying for their OS.

        The only problem with this brilliant plan is what corporations usually and pretty much always ignore when they come up with such great plans: The human factor. In this case, that there are millions of people, some if not all of them also using Windows at work, getting a HUGELY negative impression by the OS and essentially thinking that it's the biggest pile of dog shit since Windows ME.

        Or at the very least Vista.

        Another thing MS obviously didn't take into account that some of those people who use computers at home might be the same people that decide when and what OS to buy next...

        • Early on, I was impressed. It sounded like they were really listening to user input. They were asking and listening. But lately they seem not to be doing so well.
        • by Teun ( 17872 )
          Indeed, very soon they'll announce the failure wouldn't have happened if people would have left the telemetry on.
        • Re:Seriously (Score:4, Insightful)

          by peragrin ( 659227 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @09:08PM (#51646105)

          Apple has public betas for the next version. It is optional. The beta testers deal with bugs and users get mostly stable updates. I have been on iOS beta for 8 months now. And I don't notice the difference.

          Why can't Microsoft setup a Windows 10 beta with all the telemetry data and regular users a release behind. It wouldn't be prefect but most of these bugs would be cleaned up.

      • I was unclear. Sorry. I had 8 / 8.1 for a little while. What it did, once I sorted out the interface, was ok for my limited needs. I was, at the time, dual booting with Linux, and after a while realized I hadn't used Windows in a long time. (Not because of un-usability or unreliability, but because Linux was and is so much better, for me.) Soon after, I demolished the Windows partition and turned it into storage space. So, my reference to the sad moment of 8 8.1 refers to it's public reception, rather
    • Re:Seriously (Score:5, Insightful)

      by hey! ( 33014 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:45PM (#51644363) Homepage Journal

      When I was an MIT student many, many years ago, somebody did a study of admitted classes and found they had for years admissions policy had oscillated between looking for well-rounded, versatile students and the most academically advanced students they could find. Every year they'd look for more and more well-rounded students until academic problems started to rise, and then they'd make a panic adjustment. But then they wouldn't really be happy with the crop of super-nerds they'd just admitted, and the process would start all over again.

      Now if there were true, why wouldn't you just settle on a reasonable compromise between technical genius and well-roundedness? Just pick a class in the middle of the cycle and do that over and over again? Because that's not how institutions work. People solve the problems and address the priorities of the present, which in turn generates the problem of tomorrow. As long as an institution endures it will create the same problems over and over again and solve them over and over again.

      Microsoft's management of Windows fits this pattern. Over the years the pendulum swings between the needs of marketing and the need for a quality release. Yeah ideally you meet the needs of marketing with a quality release, but there's a tension and that causes an oscillation between priorities. It won't change until the institution of Windows looks like it is in real danger.

      • That sounds really interesting about MIT, do you have a reference/citation for that?

        • by hey! ( 33014 )

          Sadly, no; it was over 30 years ago, before everything left some kind of Internet trace.

      • by rssrss ( 686344 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @03:52PM (#51644717)

        So, why do you think they have issued the second stinker in a row? Me, I think it is the curse of the even numbered release. If this one had been Windows 9 it would have been good. But, they knew it sucked, so they numbered it 10.

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        I'm pretty sure that it's all marketing really, but the oscillation is between market share and margin. They do unpopular things and see how much backlash they get, but before people actually migrate away they release a new "we listened to you" version and the cycle starts over. I'm not sure Microsoft has really understands the consequences of their "one Windows" policy or else they're sure they got the market so by the balls it doesn't matter.

      • I dunno. It feels like they are on a very slippery slope towards danger.
    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      Even in W7 and earlier, and other softwares. Something can always go wrong! :(

    • It's not just Windows 10. There have been several bad patches involving other versions of Windows and Microsoft Office recently. Microsoft just seems to be botching things recently.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      MS fired it's QA department last summer so with no QA what so ever it includes telemetry and the developers themselves fix the issues, which of course they only get compensated with their bonuses for adding features with their metrics. Gee, what could possibly go wrong with that?

      I have turned into a fan of 8.1 believe it or not after trying 10 4 freaking times. That say's a lot?

      No, I am so ingrained in the windows world for work and not a Unix admin or developer like many reading this so what choice do I ha

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by jones_supa ( 887896 )
        It would be impossible for them to operate with no QA department.
        • True. But lately they give the appearance they have no QA. That's why I wonder if the sheer complexity of Windows isn't beginning to bite them. I mean they must be trying hard not to push out crap. I'm no big friend of Windows, but I can't imagine they are unaware that appearances matter very much now.
        • Look at the news and google firing QA? MS has none as this new scrum agile is the developers can fix the issues better and the company can raise the shareprice by cutting costs etc?

          But the compensation structure is on features. So as long as you only upgrade with no fresh installs and run what Joe six pack runs you should have more stable results. How else would you explain this? Windows 7 and 8.1 had updates that occasionally screwed with something here and there but nothing even close to OMG cancel all up

      • 7 was indeed ok. But if every Windows OS was free, I'd be using Linux anyway, now. Too many dingbat hassles with Windows overall, and Linux, while not perfect, is a much better fit for me.
    • Last year they got rid of a majority of their testers. Making are making Win10 users beta testers.
    • by Alumoi ( 1321661 )

      When are you going to understand that Windows 10 is still at early beta stage? It's cheaper for Microsoft to force telemetry on suckers and let them bang their heads with the testing.
      And, best of all, no current Win10 beta tester can complain as they didn't pay a dime for the software.

      • Windows 10 shows up as installed on just under 13% of desktops - on a quick search. Even considering the wobbliness of such numbers, anything remotely like that number means you better not be thinking it's beta stuff if you are Microsoft and you want to retain customers.
    • After the Win 8 mess, I'm sure Microsoft is hugely focused on reliability,

      obviously! i mean, why else would they fire so many of their testers?

      and yet a series of errors with updates like this happen. Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity?

      yeah, despite reducing the QA team, it's someone even more unmanageable!

      protip: if your patching system is flawed, firing a bunch of testers isn't the solution.

    • Nope what happened is they FIRED their QA and tester teams and replaced them with...drumroll...YOU! I wish I was shitting you, I'm not. Look up "I was let go" by Barnacles on YouTube, he was part of the QA team and he lays it all out, how they pretty much wiped out two whole divisions in a single day.

      Why do you think we had the "MSFT wants moar feedback" article a bit ago? Because YOU are the QA and the beta testers, you and the poor saps running Win 10 " so alpha crap we let anybody have it for free" Insid

    • "Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity?" No, my view is that Microsoft has hit a wall built of many years of technically incompetent top management.

      Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was called "Monkey Boy". The January 16, 2013 issue of BusinessWeek magazine has a large photo of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (now replaced by Satya Nadella) with the headline calling him "Monkey Boy". See the BusinessWeek cover in this article: Steve Ballmer Is No Longer A Monkey Boy, Says Bloomberg BusinessWeek []. The BusinessWeek cover says "No More" and "Mr.", but that doesn't take much away from the fact that the magazine called Ballmer "Monkey Boy" -- on its cover.

      Worst CEO in the United States: Quote from an article in Forbes Magazine [] about Steve Ballmer: "Without a doubt, Mr. Ballmer is the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today."

      Another quote: "The reach of his bad leadership has extended far beyond Microsoft when it comes to destroying shareholder value -- and jobs." (May 12, 2012)

      Who would want to work for "Monkey Boy"? Microsoft is apparently not able to hire socially competent people. Apparently Satya Nadella was chosen because he was the least annoying person. However, he does not seem to me to be the kind of person who can handle the enormous conflicts inside Microsoft.

      This is my guess: Someone at Microsoft said, "Google and Facebook are collecting data about customers and selling it; let's do that also." So Windows 8 was designed to try to sell "Apps", as though Windows was a particularly trashy cell phone operating system. I was shocked when I first saw the Windows 8.1 GUI. Utterly incompetent. Now Windows 10 is apparently trying to imitate Google Android, which has become more and more invasive.

      People who have work to do have already learned the GUIs they need. Even if the design is imperfect, that's what they know. They don't want wild changes.

      It's scary. In the last few months, Windows 10 has been shown again and again to be sloppily designed and implemented, as well as being spyware.

      Judging from comments on Slashdot, people try to find some technical reason for Microsoft's policies. They apparently have difficulty imagining that Microsoft managers are as incompetent as they are.

      Some links:

      Windows 8: NSA Backdoor Exploit in Windows 8 Uncovered [] (Aug. 22, 2013)

      Windows: NSA "backdoor" mandates lead to a computer-security FREAK show [] Quote: "Microsoft Windows OS vulnerable to hackers, thanks to National Security Agency requirements." (March 6, 2015)

      Windows: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999 [] (June 7, 2013)

      Windows 10, Microsoft hiding what it is doing: Microsoft has no plans to tell us what's in Windows patches []. Quote: "Each update is a black box, and it's going to stay that way." (Aug 21, 2015)

      Windows 10, Microsoft takes even more control: Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do -- here's how to opt out [] (July 31, 2015) But, of course, Microsoft can change the spyware to a
  • Left Microsoft (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:16PM (#51644209)

    Never to return. Literally. I left the company in 2011. They were in utter turmoil and apparently still are. They missed the boat on mobile, ruined Nokia, produced a bad run of OSes, introduced privacy nightmares. Now, happy FreeBSD/OpenBSD user.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:17PM (#51644213)

    It really looks like MS needs to rethink the "You are going to take these updates no matter what" concept. I really feel for anybody that is running 10 and actually needs their computer to be reliable.
    First they trick millions of people into "upgrading", then they consistently break their computers. The only good thing I can say about Windows 10 at this point is that it has increased my income. I could, at this point, change my entire business model to reverting computers to prior versions of Windows. I spend most of my time doing that now.

    • by mlts ( 1038732 )

      It would be nice, with all that telemetry data being collected, shouldn't MS be able to find broken patches on a mass scale, realize something is wrong, and do something about it a lot more quickly.

    • by BlackPignouf ( 1017012 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:47PM (#51644373)

      I was at a conference last year : an important speaker was scheduled to be the first one of the day.
      He comes to the stage with his laptop (Windows 7), starts it up, and screams in disgust at the screen "Please do not power off your machine. Installing updates 1 from bazillion". He didn't have any copy of his powerpoint on a flash drive, and we didn't have Internet access.
      No biggie, he switched place with the 2nd speaker. After the presentation, the update process still wasn't finished. Then came the 3rd speaker. After almost an hour, the speaker told us "Shoot, I should've hold the presentation without my laptop, now I've got a plane to catch. Well, see you next year!"

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        That is the speaker's fault. He had updates scheduled and when he shut his machine down, he left it in a state of "partly updated" so that it finished updating when it was turned on.

        It also sounds like he has a REALLY crappy laptop with a slow HDD, which he shouldn't if he is a "really important speaker".

        Frankly, the speaker was unprepared. This is not Windows' fault, this is his.

        • by dryeo ( 100693 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @04:35PM (#51644939)

          It's the 21st century, an operating system should be able to multitask. Should also be able to load DLLs, EXEs etc into memory and keep using them while replacing the binaries on disk, all in the background, at idle priority, and at the end ask whether to reboot now or later. And of course a laptop should be able to sleep or hibernate rather then shutting down in the middle of an update.

        • by Ken D ( 100098 )

          Not really. MS has totally screwed up Windows Update.

          Malicious Software Detection tool runs and scans your disk as a stupid update. I literally see people who haven't taken control of Updates away from Microsoft spend 30 or more minutes waiting for their laptop to shutdown so they can go home.

          Laptops are shutdown so they can be carried away. NOW! not when MS is done futzing around.
          Same thing with boot. I boot so I can get work done! Not so that some crappy updater can tell me that there's an Adobe Read

        • by DrJimbo ( 594231 )

          That is the speaker's fault. He had updates scheduled and when he shut his machine down, he left it in a state of "partly updated" so that it finished updating when it was turned on. It also sounds like he has a REALLY crappy laptop with a slow HDD, which he shouldn't if he is a "really important speaker". Frankly, the speaker was unprepared. This is not Windows' fault, this is his.

          Certainly it was his fault. What was he thinking relying on Windows to hold something that was mission critical to him. Just kidding. Sort of.

          Seriously, the important question is not whether the speaker was partial responsible for the debacle, the question is whether people want an OS that behaves that way or if they want an OS that is easier to use.

          I've been working with computers for over 40 years (can't believe it has been that long). I'm most comfortable when I feel like I'm in control of the

        • Maybe a pro should always be on top of how updated their machine is. Maybe. But the average person should not need to be watching for that. It is a stupid pain in the backside to find, just as one needs to shut down, that there are an hour and a half of updates, and one is told not to power off. A genius piece of customer relations, that.
      • A few years back we were having our Sprint Review meeting. I was sitting at my laptop, ready to take control and do my part of the presentation. And while I was waiting, the machine suddenly decided that it needed to reboot to finish applying updates. I still don't know why it chose that moment - at the time I wasn't even aware of any pending updates. I am guessing that ITS shoved something down which caused the reboot.

        I ended up going to a different machine and doing my presentation from there.

        Since th

      • I remember a few years ago at a conference in Europe one of the keynote speakers had flown in from the US for her talk. Half way trough the laptop decided it was 4am US time or something and shutdown to apply all the patches it had queued up. The laptop took about 15 minutes to do it's thing---quite a chunk out of a hour long talk. Fortunately the schedule was reasonable gentle for that conference so she and the following speaker weren't really badly put out by it.

        Anway it was pretty amusing. All the Linux

  • by TroII ( 4484479 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:17PM (#51644215)

    So, Satya, how's laying off your entire QA department working out for you?

    • What do you mean? The QA department is working great. The reports are coming in, didn't you read at least the headline, if not the article?

      They now have a few million testers. Unpaid, ok, and they failed to nail them with an NDA so word about the crappy product gets out, ok, but hey, you get what you pay for...

  • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:20PM (#51644229)

    When you have to resort to third-party programs to restore and control basic OS functionality, and to stop your own computer from spying on you, then said OS has truly and irrevocably jumped the shark. It's time to bury Windows in a deep, dark hole, remember it for all the good stuff it brought to computing, try to forget about all the shit it foisted upon unsuspecting users, and move on to a less self-serving and traitorous alternative. Die, Microsoft - just die. Please.

  • On Windows 10 because one of their updates broke the start menu and all universal apps like edge and calculator. (No, sfc /scannow didn't fix it and DISM didn't either.) I'm just glad my main partition is Win 8.1 (with classic shell) because at least that one works. (I was thinking of a reinstall of my win10 partition but I guess I'll wait until Windows 10 gets out of alpha.)
  • The recently-released cumulative update for Windows 10 (KB3140743) is reportedly causing problems.

    No way, I simply cannot believe such a thing. That's unpossible!

  • by Chas ( 5144 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @02:49PM (#51644383) Homepage Journal

    THIS is why Windows Updates NEEDS to be under end-user control.

    Because with mandatory updates, like this one, killing systems, Windows Updates becomes the world's first compulsory malware delivery system.

  • Why W10 is so slow? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Max_W ( 812974 )
    It is slow on all three PCs which I have got. Is it because it is more secure and checking everything while operating?

    But I do not get it completely, - isn't it supposed to be faster than previous versions? Maybe something wrong with my setups (which are quite standard)? What can I do to make the W10 run faster?
    • Search Service Indexing is one. Compared to Win 7, win 8/10 are dogshit slow (with any search). Win 8 (and possibly 10) are constantly reading and writing to the harddisk. The number of active services and running processes is off the hook.
      Win 10 is still stuck in ugly pastel metroland, and does not look like we'll ever see Aero come back with a decent customizable working environment.
      • One of my biggest annoyances are the absolute uselessness of symlinks. Any time you try to create one you have to escalate privileges - even when both the target and the symlink are not in protected directories.
    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      Windows 10 is fast on everything I've put it on, and that is a lot more than three machines.

      Without physically being there, it is almost impossible to help you.

      Side note: The "oldest" machine I've installed Windows 10 on is a Core2Quad Q6600 2.4GHz machine that is now 9 years old, it has 4GB of DDR2 RAM and a 80GB Intel G2 SSD, and it is amazingly fast for its age. Oh sure it isn't nearly as fast as modern machines, but if you're checking e-mail, facebook, or playing light games, it frankly is pretty snapp

    • by CanadianMacFan ( 1900244 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @03:41PM (#51644657)

      It's not slow. Your connection to the Internet is slow and it's having a hard time sending everything you do to Microsoft.

  • All these people who just allowed the free upgrade - none of them would have a recovery ISO, right? Is it downloadable if they even have a burner or know how to make a bootable USB drive?

    • Anyone can download Windows 10 to a CD ISO image, or a bootable USB Flash Drive.

      While most people won't do this, frankly they should. If you are not prepared for a computer that won't boot, then you can't complain if you have no solution when it won't boot.

      People don't want to take any responsibility anymore, then blame everyone else when they have problems.

      • Last weekend I used the ms media creator tool free from their website to make a USB image. Still too buggy and update was corrupted immediately after installation. Wow

    • With modern UEFI it will install the OS and the previous in the recovery partition specified in the IEEE standards. Under PC settings you can go into recovery and put WIndows 8.1 or 10 back on with a clean wipe

  • Software developers assure me that CI and unit tests make software quality perfect, and bugs aren't possible anymore.

  • It's interesting how cumulative updates have taken a big role in Windows 10. Large packs of updates that service many things. Also it's supposed to make upgrading a fresh OS installation a bit more convenient.

    If you want to take a look under the hood, Microsoft provides a list of files (CSV) [] that KB3140743 patches.

  • by sizzzzlerz ( 714878 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @03:12PM (#51644505)

    At least I had a stable wireless connection with 8.1. When I installed 10, it worked for awhile, but after several updates, it stopped working. A reboot would restore it for a short time then it crapped out. I had hoped the new version would fix it but, if anything, it made it worse to the point where I have to operate with a cable if I want to connect. In addition, they still didn't fix the problem where my custom mouse profile won't load automatically at boot time. Every boot, I have to go to the mouse settings panel and manually select my custom profile. Every fucking time.

    Damn, I miss XP

    • Just put 8.1 back on? I did. I will wait this one out after redstone sometime late next year when bugs are worked out

  • by Snotnose ( 212196 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @03:29PM (#51644599)
    Thursday afternoon my network went away. Farted around with it, then it spontaneously rebooted. When it came back up it gave the infamous "installing updates, please wait". Did another reboot or two, 20 minutes later I was back in business.

    It farked some of my chrome settings, and went back to Edge for PDF viewing. Other than that haven't noticed any other problems.

    To be honest, I wish I'd never "upgraded" to Win10. It's prolly the biggest pain in the ass I've ever run. Nothing major, except for the "I'll reboot when I want to, sod off", but lots of little problems.
  • by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @03:33PM (#51644613) Journal

    Notice how Chrome gets updated all the time and no one complains. Actually, has a bad chrome udpate ever and I mean ever broke any plugins?

    There is no QA since MS laid off the team and the OS is not modular enough to handle all these updates without breaking something. Major changes shouldn't be happening so quick and Windows update is the worst offender. FYI I am now talking about it not working on a fresh install!!? Not an update breaking something after a few months of use.

    I support users so this means I have to know and use this POS day in and out. Folks 2016 is well under way and Windows 7 EOL is coming for me professionally at work. It is Jan 2020 so this means by 2019 in just 3 short years Windows 7 needs to go bye bye and meet XP and Windows95 in the light.

    MS has paid off Intel not to support anything but 10 in skylake by next year and then will turn around and say LOOK NO PROBLEMS 1 BILLION INSTALLS == least buggy OS EVER. Shoot I put in my surface to teh MS store and they put in Windows 10 agaisn't my will for just a screen replacement. No Windows 8.1 will not install on a surface pro 3 as they use a custom image.

    In my professional career in 7 years of XP and 7 only twice as Windows update EVER caused a problem in these legacy systems. WIth 10 it breaks freaking every month. Why?

    MS needs a new framework that is stable, QA, and is designed modular wise to not break during an update. ASAP. My job is going to be on the line if I migrate to 10 in 2 years and things break every 3 weeks. Well Billly Gates was the one who fucked it up and they worked fine before he f*cked with it ... etc ... endrant

    In the end as a tech professional and fellow geek this is sad to prefer ancient operating systems. It shouldn't be like this and no Linux for me and work is not an option read my job description above? Can MS turn this?

    • Notice how Chrome gets updated all the time and no one complains.

      It's also interesting how Slashdot commentators initially heavily criticized Chrome's "spying characteristics" but that criticism seems to have cooled down. Everyone whined how it constantly phones home and yada yada.

  • I have no problems. (But - but the hackers and trojans and etc etc) Heh, i'll take my chances.
  • Installed on March 1, four days ago. So far I've had no problems, but I'm running an install that's completely fresh after I switched from HDD to SDD.

  • I've made quite a living over the past 20 years fixing networks built around windows, so I'm grateful to Microsoft for making a product that needs constant hand-holding.

    But it's 2016 - apart from games, why is anyone using windows?

    Sure, 15 years ago, Windows was the cheapest, easiest option - and lots of software required windows. Today, lots of stuff runs in the cloud, Chromebooks are easy and cheap, mobile devices are very powerful - even a $600 mac mini is bordering on affordable.

    My best guess is that a

    • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

      If by "inertia" you mean "I've invested a lot of time and money on hardware and software that meets my needs, and sure, there are Mac equivalents (but not GNU/Linux), so why would I want to spend more time and money to buy over-priced hardware, an operating system that has its own problems, and application software that I'll have to buy again?"

      It's not just learning something else, it's the the cost, and the downtime.

      When people ask me whether to buy windows or mac, I ask them what do they want to do, then

    • Sure, 15 years ago, Windows was the cheapest, easiest option

      Cheapest? Linux was pretty well established in 2001. IT's 2016 now dude. Time rolls on at a horiffically fast rate :(

      As for easiest, well, it all depends what one wanted to do. If, for example one wanted a machine that didn't crash all the time, well... until the end of 2001, the consumer desktop choice from MS was WinME. XP didn't go into general relase (and the first version was a bit shit until the service packs ramped up) until the end of 2001.

  • After reading all of the comments here I thought I'd check what my computers update status was. It said that there was a restart pending to install KB3140743. I clicked Restart, the computer ran updates and came back fine. Now I've even typing this comment on the computer which just installed KB3140743! O'well, no exciting BSOD for me.
  • I can't upgrade my Dell XPS 15 (L502X) laptop to reliable use of Windows 10 and Dell suggests not to upgrade. Dell's website shows this device hasn't been tested for Windows 10 and there are other sites reporting bad things happen when it is converted to Windows 10. I'm currently a happy camper running Windows 7. Although this laptop is thick and heavy compared to those ultra thin, lightweight XPS 15s now available, it built like a tank, is more than fast enough, the screen is fabulous and I've never had a
  • by duke_cheetah2003 ( 862933 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @06:44PM (#51645525) Homepage

    I've never really had any issues with Windows 10. About the only issue I have with 2 machines running it, is one of them refuses to sleep automatically after the set period of idle. Still trying to figure that one out, but other than that, works good. Guess I'm just lucky.

    In all truth, if you open the old Control Panel (you can search for it via the start menu), it just looks like Windows 7 underneath the new UI. And as far as privacy, I'm 2 PC's out of what, a billion installs? I turned off what can be turned off and whatever is left... Does anyone really think a human being is looking at what MY PC is submitting? I highly doubt I'm that important, and if I am, I think I'd be flattered honestly.

    Bottom line for me is.. it works. Runs all my crap (and I run a lot of stuff, like cygwin, VMWare, various dev tools, games, libreoffice, and on and on) and seems to be stable (I've never had it crash or do anything weird other than that one machine refusing to sleep automatically.) So I really just fail to see the uproar over this thing. Again guess I'm just one of the lucky people.

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Saturday March 05, 2016 @08:01PM (#51645835)

    Updates KB 3140743 and KB 3139907 installed routinely on both my four year old 64 Bit HP desktop (Win 10 Pro Build 10586) and 32 Bit HP Stream 8 tablet (Win 10 Home Build 10586). I've seen no problems with performance or stability, no problems with programs like Edge or the 64 bit Firefox beta.

    There are something like 200 million Win 10 installations out there.

    How many of them will be successfully updated over the weekend with their users barely aware that anything unusual had happened?

  • by Prototerm ( 762512 ) on Sunday March 06, 2016 @10:10AM (#51648017)

    You don't need any special tools or programs to disable Windows Update in Windows 10 Home. Just go into Services and disable the Windows Update service itself. Best plan is to keep it disabled until a few weeks after each major update (when you know that the update won't bork your system), turn it back on, do the update manually, then turn it off again until after the next month's Patch Tuesday. Put an icon for Services on the desktop to make life easier. In addition, make sure you enable setting a restore point during a Windows Update in case something still goes wrong.
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