Another Windows 10 Update Causing Problems (windowsreport.com) 354
New submitter sexconker writes: The recently-released cumulative update for Windows 10 (KB3140743) is reportedly causing problems. Symptoms include crashes, BSODs, and the inability to boot, even in safe mode. The Windows 10 subreddit has many threads detailing the inability to boot. The only fix seems to be booting to a recovery ISO, uninstalling the update / rolling back, and hoping you don't get hit again. W10Privacy 2 claims to be able to (among other things) give Windows 10 users control over the automatic updates.
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Mostly they wanted to rely on their users to be a huge tester group. I mean, the idea is brilliant: You get a few MILLION testers, all with different hard- and software setups, all with setups that do not only reflect real life machines or are set up to be like real machines used by real people, but that ARE machines used by real people! And all of them have to be beta testers, willing or not, because they can't turn off getting any and all patches you crank out pushed on their machines. And should it actually work out, you can roll the patch out to the real customers, i.e. the companies paying for their OS.
The only problem with this brilliant plan is what corporations usually and pretty much always ignore when they come up with such great plans: The human factor. In this case, that there are millions of people, some if not all of them also using Windows at work, getting a HUGELY negative impression by the OS and essentially thinking that it's the biggest pile of dog shit since Windows ME.
Or at the very least Vista.
Another thing MS obviously didn't take into account that some of those people who use computers at home might be the same people that decide when and what OS to buy next...
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Apple has public betas for the next version. It is optional. The beta testers deal with bugs and users get mostly stable updates. I have been on iOS beta for 8 months now. And I don't notice the difference.
Why can't Microsoft setup a Windows 10 beta with all the telemetry data and regular users a release behind. It wouldn't be prefect but most of these bugs would be cleaned up.
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I've already been asking this when they replaced 7 with 8.
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Actually with a start menu replacement WIndows 8.1 is a very fine desktop OS. If MS just included the old meny and left the full screen metro for tablets or those who click it to run their netflix on their desktop 8.1 would have been very very successful as many businesses who upgraded just last year would have deployed 8 instead of aging 7.
Stardock had a $15 bundle that also includes modern mix to launch modern apps in a Windows and a start menu.
Windows 8.1 has Hyper-V which supports Linux well and is better quality and cheaper than the now defuct VMWare Workstation type 2 hypervisor stack I used under 7. 8.1 has EFI and better wifi printing support and the ability to click on an iso for a virtual cdrom.
Windows 10 is a clusterfuck and just well nothing. It has no QA and a mesh of things thrown together and is experimental.
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When I was an MIT student many, many years ago, somebody did a study of admitted classes and found they had for years admissions policy had oscillated between looking for well-rounded, versatile students and the most academically advanced students they could find. Every year they'd look for more and more well-rounded students until academic problems started to rise, and then they'd make a panic adjustment. But then they wouldn't really be happy with the crop of super-nerds they'd just admitted, and the process would start all over again.
Now if there were true, why wouldn't you just settle on a reasonable compromise between technical genius and well-roundedness? Just pick a class in the middle of the cycle and do that over and over again? Because that's not how institutions work. People solve the problems and address the priorities of the present, which in turn generates the problem of tomorrow. As long as an institution endures it will create the same problems over and over again and solve them over and over again.
Microsoft's management of Windows fits this pattern. Over the years the pendulum swings between the needs of marketing and the need for a quality release. Yeah ideally you meet the needs of marketing with a quality release, but there's a tension and that causes an oscillation between priorities. It won't change until the institution of Windows looks like it is in real danger.
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That sounds really interesting about MIT, do you have a reference/citation for that?
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Sadly, no; it was over 30 years ago, before everything left some kind of Internet trace.
Re:Seriously (Score:5, Funny)
So, why do you think they have issued the second stinker in a row? Me, I think it is the curse of the even numbered release. If this one had been Windows 9 it would have been good. But, they knew it sucked, so they numbered it 10.
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If the rumors were true, they didn't use windows 9 because some a lot of software was written to do OS version checks as Windows 9*, which would pick up 95 and 97.
Here I was thinking I had endured every major windows version, now you are telling me I must go back and look for a 97 to complete the set? ...sigh... ok. Where is that old pentium II laptop again?
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Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? They did not lay off all their testers. Don't be daft and actually try to do some critical thinking on your own. They laid off (and gave lateral promotions) to a bunch of their testers because they were overlapping and creating more trouble than they were helping with. They still have a huge number of testers.
Err... That doesn't mean they're *good* testers or anything like that. It just means that they've still got thousands of them - thousands. I have no idea why people keep making such silly claims. You're like the third person that I've seen make that claim in this one thread. I've corrected it enough times in the past so I skipped replying to them as I figured they were just stupid or trolls. At this point, I'm just curious as to why people don't actually bother to verify the things they read on Slashdot.
If you believe everything you read on Slashdot, you're nothing short of a fucking idiot. Really, a fucking idiot. Slashdot is full of idiots - I know, I am one! Let's clear a few things up, shall we?
Things we know to be true, or true with a reasonable level of confidence:
Bill Gates does not eat human babies.
RMS has taken a shower.
Mozilla is not killing Thunderbird.
The judge used the All Writs Act to issue the order to Apple, it is not a warrant.
Copyright is not trademark.
Trademarks are not patents.
You can not get a copyright on your pet frog.
Somalia is not a Libertarian Paradise.
Democrats don't generally all want to put you in government housing, make you eat only certain foods, and take all of your money to give to the poor.
Republicans don't actually want to issue babies with guns, give the government to the businesses, and aren't all religious folks.
Some Muslims are terrorists.
Some Muslims are not terrorists.
Steve Jobs was not an alien.
Elon Musk has an asshole - he probably won't let you do that to it.
Libertarians are not generally anarchists, some are minarchists.
If you say a fire department is socialist, you're stupid and adding nothing to the conversation.
The moon is not made of green cheese, we know this because we've been there.
There's no evidence to suggest that the editors will ever do a good job.
IoT is possible to do in a sane way.
Cloud computing is not new, novel, or always the best choice.
You can actually see the source code for Windows if you want to jump through the hoops - it's free.
Linux is awesome, even if you don't use it. So isn't OS X, so isn't Windows.
It should be a surprise that it works as well as it does, not that it fails as often as it does.
Chance are, most of us are not experts on any given subject so trying to authoritatively state facts, draw conclusions, or opine is just your ego - and probably wrong.
Dogs are better than cats.
Bicycles are not viable transportation for everybody.
None of us have a clue what we're talking about - but we'll fight about it.
Obama is an American.
There were WMDs in Iraq, just not a whole bunch of them.
You don't need a citation when someone says that gravity is just a theory.
Elephants don't wear pajamas.
Pointing out a spelling or grammar error does not mean you win an argument about which IDE is best.
Security is a process, not an application.
Nothing usable is ever completely secure.
Firearms are inanimate objects, also that's probably a rifle and not a gun.
When a privately owned site doesn't let you say what you want, that is not against the law.
No, dogs really are objectively better than cats.
The terms 'liberal,' 'SJW,' 'feminist,' 'fascist,' and more have lost their meaning. That's your fault.
You're probably quoting Benjamin Franklin wrong. He probably wouldn't be spinning in his grave. He'd probably be shagging cute chicks and playing DOOM.
Linus swears, a lot. If you're surprised by this, you're an idiot. If you're bothered by this, don't read/listen. Nobody asked your opinion.
I can go on, boy can I go on...
Anyhow, those are a few things that we know. One of the things we know, beyond reasonable doubt, is that Microsoft has not fired (or laid-off) all of their testers.
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I'm pretty sure that it's all marketing really, but the oscillation is between market share and margin. They do unpopular things and see how much backlash they get, but before people actually migrate away they release a new "we listened to you" version and the cycle starts over. I'm not sure Microsoft has really understands the consequences of their "one Windows" policy or else they're sure they got the market so by the balls it doesn't matter.
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Even in W7 and earlier, and other softwares. Something can always go wrong! :(
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Yep - KB3035583 turned up again last week. It's whack-a-mole - inspect the list of patches, hide it, relax until next month when it turns up again.
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MS fired it's QA department last summer so with no QA what so ever it includes telemetry and the developers themselves fix the issues, which of course they only get compensated with their bonuses for adding features with their metrics. Gee, what could possibly go wrong with that?
I have turned into a fan of 8.1 believe it or not after trying 10 4 freaking times. That say's a lot?
No, I am so ingrained in the windows world for work and not a Unix admin or developer like many reading this so what choice do I ha
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Look at the news and google firing QA? MS has none as this new scrum agile is the developers can fix the issues better and the company can raise the shareprice by cutting costs etc?
But the compensation structure is on features. So as long as you only upgrade with no fresh installs and run what Joe six pack runs you should have more stable results. How else would you explain this? Windows 7 and 8.1 had updates that occasionally screwed with something here and there but nothing even close to OMG cancel all up
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When are you going to understand that Windows 10 is still at early beta stage? It's cheaper for Microsoft to force telemetry on suckers and let them bang their heads with the testing.
And, best of all, no current Win10 beta tester can complain as they didn't pay a dime for the software.
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After the Win 8 mess, I'm sure Microsoft is hugely focused on reliability,
obviously! i mean, why else would they fire so many of their testers?
and yet a series of errors with updates like this happen. Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity?
yeah, despite reducing the QA team, it's someone even more unmanageable!
protip: if your patching system is flawed, firing a bunch of testers isn't the solution.
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Microsoft has INCOMPETENT management. (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was called "Monkey Boy". The January 16, 2013 issue of BusinessWeek magazine has a large photo of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (now replaced by Satya Nadella) with the headline calling him "Monkey Boy". See the BusinessWeek cover in this article: Steve Ballmer Is No Longer A Monkey Boy, Says Bloomberg BusinessWeek [businessinsider.com]. The BusinessWeek cover says "No More" and "Mr.", but that doesn't take much away from the fact that the magazine called Ballmer "Monkey Boy" -- on its cover.
Worst CEO in the United States: Quote from an article in Forbes Magazine [forbes.com] about Steve Ballmer: "Without a doubt, Mr. Ballmer is the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today."
Another quote: "The reach of his bad leadership has extended far beyond Microsoft when it comes to destroying shareholder value -- and jobs." (May 12, 2012)
Who would want to work for "Monkey Boy"? Microsoft is apparently not able to hire socially competent people. Apparently Satya Nadella was chosen because he was the least annoying person. However, he does not seem to me to be the kind of person who can handle the enormous conflicts inside Microsoft.
This is my guess: Someone at Microsoft said, "Google and Facebook are collecting data about customers and selling it; let's do that also." So Windows 8 was designed to try to sell "Apps", as though Windows was a particularly trashy cell phone operating system. I was shocked when I first saw the Windows 8.1 GUI. Utterly incompetent. Now Windows 10 is apparently trying to imitate Google Android, which has become more and more invasive.
People who have work to do have already learned the GUIs they need. Even if the design is imperfect, that's what they know. They don't want wild changes.
It's scary. In the last few months, Windows 10 has been shown again and again to be sloppily designed and implemented, as well as being spyware.
Judging from comments on Slashdot, people try to find some technical reason for Microsoft's policies. They apparently have difficulty imagining that Microsoft managers are as incompetent as they are.
Some links:
Windows 8: NSA Backdoor Exploit in Windows 8 Uncovered [technobuffalo.com] (Aug. 22, 2013)
Windows: NSA "backdoor" mandates lead to a computer-security FREAK show [consumeraffairs.com] Quote: "Microsoft Windows OS vulnerable to hackers, thanks to National Security Agency requirements." (March 6, 2015)
Windows: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999 [washingtonsblog.com] (June 7, 2013)
Windows 10, Microsoft hiding what it is doing: Microsoft has no plans to tell us what's in Windows patches [arstechnica.com]. Quote: "Each update is a black box, and it's going to stay that way." (Aug 21, 2015)
Windows 10, Microsoft takes even more control: Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do -- here's how to opt out [bgr.com] (July 31, 2015) But, of course, Microsoft can change the spyware to a
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Never to return. Literally. I left the company in 2011. They were in utter turmoil and apparently still are. They missed the boat on mobile, ruined Nokia, produced a bad run of OSes, introduced privacy nightmares. Now, happy FreeBSD/OpenBSD user.
This has become so common it isn't news anymore. (Score:5, Insightful)
It really looks like MS needs to rethink the "You are going to take these updates no matter what" concept. I really feel for anybody that is running 10 and actually needs their computer to be reliable.
First they trick millions of people into "upgrading", then they consistently break their computers. The only good thing I can say about Windows 10 at this point is that it has increased my income. I could, at this point, change my entire business model to reverting computers to prior versions of Windows. I spend most of my time doing that now.
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It would be nice, with all that telemetry data being collected, shouldn't MS be able to find broken patches on a mass scale, realize something is wrong, and do something about it a lot more quickly.
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I suppose the telemetry can't run if the machine is unbootable.
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I was at a conference last year : an important speaker was scheduled to be the first one of the day.
He comes to the stage with his laptop (Windows 7), starts it up, and screams in disgust at the screen "Please do not power off your machine. Installing updates 1 from bazillion". He didn't have any copy of his powerpoint on a flash drive, and we didn't have Internet access.
No biggie, he switched place with the 2nd speaker. After the presentation, the update process still wasn't finished. Then came the 3rd speaker. After almost an hour, the speaker told us "Shoot, I should've hold the presentation without my laptop, now I've got a plane to catch. Well, see you next year!"
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That is the speaker's fault. He had updates scheduled and when he shut his machine down, he left it in a state of "partly updated" so that it finished updating when it was turned on.
It also sounds like he has a REALLY crappy laptop with a slow HDD, which he shouldn't if he is a "really important speaker".
Frankly, the speaker was unprepared. This is not Windows' fault, this is his.
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It's the 21st century, an operating system should be able to multitask. Should also be able to load DLLs, EXEs etc into memory and keep using them while replacing the binaries on disk, all in the background, at idle priority, and at the end ask whether to reboot now or later. And of course a laptop should be able to sleep or hibernate rather then shutting down in the middle of an update.
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Not really. MS has totally screwed up Windows Update.
Malicious Software Detection tool runs and scans your disk as a stupid update. I literally see people who haven't taken control of Updates away from Microsoft spend 30 or more minutes waiting for their laptop to shutdown so they can go home.
Laptops are shutdown so they can be carried away. NOW! not when MS is done futzing around.
Same thing with boot. I boot so I can get work done! Not so that some crappy updater can tell me that there's an Adobe Read
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That is the speaker's fault. He had updates scheduled and when he shut his machine down, he left it in a state of "partly updated" so that it finished updating when it was turned on. It also sounds like he has a REALLY crappy laptop with a slow HDD, which he shouldn't if he is a "really important speaker". Frankly, the speaker was unprepared. This is not Windows' fault, this is his.
Certainly it was his fault. What was he thinking relying on Windows to hold something that was mission critical to him. Just kidding. Sort of.
Seriously, the important question is not whether the speaker was partial responsible for the debacle, the question is whether people want an OS that behaves that way or if they want an OS that is easier to use.
I've been working with computers for over 40 years (can't believe it has been that long). I'm most comfortable when I feel like I'm in control of the
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The problem with Windows is the way it handles file access.
Under Linux, when you delete a file it's removed from the directory listing, but it's still there on disk. Any program that was using the file continues using the now 'deleted' file.
So an updater can delete a file that's in use and write a new version of the file. Programs that run from that point on use the new file, programs that are still running from before the update keep using the old, deleted file. That's what lets updates quietly run in the
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A few years back we were having our Sprint Review meeting. I was sitting at my laptop, ready to take control and do my part of the presentation. And while I was waiting, the machine suddenly decided that it needed to reboot to finish applying updates. I still don't know why it chose that moment - at the time I wasn't even aware of any pending updates. I am guessing that ITS shoved something down which caused the reboot.
I ended up going to a different machine and doing my presentation from there.
Since th
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I remember a few years ago at a conference in Europe one of the keynote speakers had flown in from the US for her talk. Half way trough the laptop decided it was 4am US time or something and shutdown to apply all the patches it had queued up. The laptop took about 15 minutes to do it's thing---quite a chunk out of a hour long talk. Fortunately the schedule was reasonable gentle for that conference so she and the following speaker weren't really badly put out by it.
Anway it was pretty amusing. All the Linux
Re:This has become so common it isn't news anymore (Score:4, Insightful)
Better isn't sufficient. You also need compatible with all older programs.
There are a large number of people who are dependent on certain particular programs, and if they stop working the system is useless.
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Stable? I haven't had a crash in the last decade, and I frequently update my system. Of course, I do periodically do a fresh install, but that's because I like to clean out old cruft when installing a new version, not because I need to.
I will admit that Debian testing used to crash badly once or twice during the development cycle, but that hasn't happened recently, and I never had that happen with stable.
That said, there are a lot of distros out there, and probably some of the pay less attention to stabil
Testing would have helped (Score:3, Insightful)
So, Satya, how's laying off your entire QA department working out for you?
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What do you mean? The QA department is working great. The reports are coming in, didn't you read at least the headline, if not the article?
They now have a few million testers. Unpaid, ok, and they failed to nail them with an NDA so word about the crappy product gets out, ok, but hey, you get what you pay for...
Third-party programs (Score:5, Insightful)
When you have to resort to third-party programs to restore and control basic OS functionality, and to stop your own computer from spying on you, then said OS has truly and irrevocably jumped the shark. It's time to bury Windows in a deep, dark hole, remember it for all the good stuff it brought to computing, try to forget about all the shit it foisted upon unsuspecting users, and move on to a less self-serving and traitorous alternative. Die, Microsoft - just die. Please.
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The summary mentions "W10Privacy 2".
Which provides you visibility and control over Microsoft's spyware and forced updates that Microsoft doesn't provide natively.
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Possibly not quite as transparent.
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It's time to bury Windows in a deep, dark hole, remember it for all the good stuff it brought to computing, try to forget about all the shit it foisted upon unsuspecting users, and move on to a less self-serving and traitorous alternative. What's the alternative?
Admittedly, that's a big problem. I use Xubuntu, but I realize there are lots of mission-critical applications for which there is no Linux alternative. One reason for that is that so many people simply don't understand or don't care about Microsoft shenanigans. If a majority of the people who use MS Office could be persuaded that Libre Office will do everything they need, for zero cost other than a relatively minor learning curve, that would be a good start. But then there are things like Photoshop, profess
I thought it was bad I had to use classic shell (Score:3)
No way! (Score:2)
The recently-released cumulative update for Windows 10 (KB3140743) is reportedly causing problems.
No way, I simply cannot believe such a thing. That's unpossible!
Mandatory updates. YAY! (Score:4, Insightful)
THIS is why Windows Updates NEEDS to be under end-user control.
Because with mandatory updates, like this one, killing systems, Windows Updates becomes the world's first compulsory malware delivery system.
Why W10 is so slow? (Score:2, Interesting)
But I do not get it completely, - isn't it supposed to be faster than previous versions? Maybe something wrong with my setups (which are quite standard)? What can I do to make the W10 run faster?
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Win 10 is still stuck in ugly pastel metroland, and does not look like we'll ever see Aero come back with a decent customizable working environment.
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Windows 10 is fast on everything I've put it on, and that is a lot more than three machines.
Without physically being there, it is almost impossible to help you.
Side note: The "oldest" machine I've installed Windows 10 on is a Core2Quad Q6600 2.4GHz machine that is now 9 years old, it has 4GB of DDR2 RAM and a 80GB Intel G2 SSD, and it is amazingly fast for its age. Oh sure it isn't nearly as fast as modern machines, but if you're checking e-mail, facebook, or playing light games, it frankly is pretty snapp
Re:Why W10 is so slow? (Score:5, Funny)
It's not slow. Your connection to the Internet is slow and it's having a hard time sending everything you do to Microsoft.
Recovery ISO (Score:2)
All these people who just allowed the free upgrade - none of them would have a recovery ISO, right? Is it downloadable if they even have a burner or know how to make a bootable USB drive?
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Anyone can download Windows 10 to a CD ISO image, or a bootable USB Flash Drive.
While most people won't do this, frankly they should. If you are not prepared for a computer that won't boot, then you can't complain if you have no solution when it won't boot.
People don't want to take any responsibility anymore, then blame everyone else when they have problems.
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Last weekend I used the ms media creator tool free from their website to make a USB image. Still too buggy and update was corrupted immediately after installation. Wow
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With modern UEFI it will install the OS and the previous in the recovery partition specified in the IEEE standards. Under PC settings you can go into recovery and put WIndows 8.1 or 10 back on with a clean wipe
Can't be the case... (Score:2)
Software developers assure me that CI and unit tests make software quality perfect, and bugs aren't possible anymore.
Cumulative updates (Score:2)
It's interesting how cumulative updates have taken a big role in Windows 10. Large packs of updates that service many things. Also it's supposed to make upgrading a fresh OS installation a bit more convenient.
If you want to take a look under the hood, Microsoft provides a list of files (CSV) [microsoft.com] that KB3140743 patches.
And wireless STILL won't work! (Score:4, Interesting)
At least I had a stable wireless connection with 8.1. When I installed 10, it worked for awhile, but after several updates, it stopped working. A reboot would restore it for a short time then it crapped out. I had hoped the new version would fix it but, if anything, it made it worse to the point where I have to operate with a cable if I want to connect. In addition, they still didn't fix the problem where my custom mouse profile won't load automatically at boot time. Every boot, I have to go to the mouse settings panel and manually select my custom profile. Every fucking time.
Damn, I miss XP
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Just put 8.1 back on? I did. I will wait this one out after redstone sometime late next year when bugs are worked out
It got me (Score:3)
It farked some of my chrome settings, and went back to Edge for PDF viewing. Other than that haven't noticed any other problems.
To be honest, I wish I'd never "upgraded" to Win10. It's prolly the biggest pain in the ass I've ever run. Nothing major, except for the "I'll reboot when I want to, sod off", but lots of little problems.
THe firefox of operating systems (Score:3)
Notice how Chrome gets updated all the time and no one complains. Actually, has a bad chrome udpate ever and I mean ever broke any plugins?
There is no QA since MS laid off the team and the OS is not modular enough to handle all these updates without breaking something. Major changes shouldn't be happening so quick and Windows update is the worst offender. FYI I am now talking about it not working on a fresh install!!? Not an update breaking something after a few months of use.
I support users so this means I have to know and use this POS day in and out. Folks 2016 is well under way and Windows 7 EOL is coming for me professionally at work. It is Jan 2020 so this means by 2019 in just 3 short years Windows 7 needs to go bye bye and meet XP and Windows95 in the light.
MS has paid off Intel not to support anything but 10 in skylake by next year and then will turn around and say LOOK NO PROBLEMS 1 BILLION INSTALLS == least buggy OS EVER. Shoot I put in my surface to teh MS store and they put in Windows 10 agaisn't my will for just a screen replacement. No Windows 8.1 will not install on a surface pro 3 as they use a custom image.
In my professional career in 7 years of XP and 7 only twice as Windows update EVER caused a problem in these legacy systems. WIth 10 it breaks freaking every month. Why?
MS needs a new framework that is stable, QA, and is designed modular wise to not break during an update. ASAP. My job is going to be on the line if I migrate to 10 in 2 years and things break every 3 weeks. Well Billly Gates was the one who fucked it up and they worked fine before he f*cked with it ... etc ... endrant
In the end as a tech professional and fellow geek this is sad to prefer ancient operating systems. It shouldn't be like this and no Linux for me and work is not an option read my job description above? Can MS turn this?
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Notice how Chrome gets updated all the time and no one complains.
It's also interesting how Slashdot commentators initially heavily criticized Chrome's "spying characteristics" but that criticism seems to have cooled down. Everyone whined how it constantly phones home and yada yada.
Windows 7, with Windows Update turned OFF (Score:2)
Checked my machine for that update and it's there. (Score:2)
Installed on March 1, four days ago. So far I've had no problems, but I'm running an install that's completely fresh after I switched from HDD to SDD.
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If by "inertia" you mean "I've invested a lot of time and money on hardware and software that meets my needs, and sure, there are Mac equivalents (but not GNU/Linux), so why would I want to spend more time and money to buy over-priced hardware, an operating system that has its own problems, and application software that I'll have to buy again?"
It's not just learning something else, it's the the cost, and the downtime.
When people ask me whether to buy windows or mac, I ask them what do they want to do, then
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Sure, 15 years ago, Windows was the cheapest, easiest option
Cheapest? Linux was pretty well established in 2001. IT's 2016 now dude. Time rolls on at a horiffically fast rate :(
As for easiest, well, it all depends what one wanted to do. If, for example one wanted a machine that didn't crash all the time, well... until the end of 2001, the consumer desktop choice from MS was WinME. XP didn't go into general relase (and the first version was a bit shit until the service packs ramped up) until the end of 2001.
Disappointingly didn't cause problems (Score:2)
Maybe I should be happy (Score:2)
Guess I'm lucky (Score:3)
I've never really had any issues with Windows 10. About the only issue I have with 2 machines running it, is one of them refuses to sleep automatically after the set period of idle. Still trying to figure that one out, but other than that, works good. Guess I'm just lucky.
In all truth, if you open the old Control Panel (you can search for it via the start menu), it just looks like Windows 7 underneath the new UI. And as far as privacy, I'm 2 PC's out of what, a billion installs? I turned off what can be turned off and whatever is left... Does anyone really think a human being is looking at what MY PC is submitting? I highly doubt I'm that important, and if I am, I think I'd be flattered honestly.
Bottom line for me is.. it works. Runs all my crap (and I run a lot of stuff, like cygwin, VMWare, various dev tools, games, libreoffice, and on and on) and seems to be stable (I've never had it crash or do anything weird other than that one machine refusing to sleep automatically.) So I really just fail to see the uproar over this thing. Again guess I'm just one of the lucky people.
Problems? What problems? (Score:3)
Updates KB 3140743 and KB 3139907 installed routinely on both my four year old 64 Bit HP desktop (Win 10 Pro Build 10586) and 32 Bit HP Stream 8 tablet (Win 10 Home Build 10586). I've seen no problems with performance or stability, no problems with programs like Edge or the 64 bit Firefox beta.
There are something like 200 million Win 10 installations out there.
How many of them will be successfully updated over the weekend with their users barely aware that anything unusual had happened?
Disabling Windows Update in Home Edition (Score:3)
You don't need any special tools or programs to disable Windows Update in Windows 10 Home. Just go into Services and disable the Windows Update service itself. Best plan is to keep it disabled until a few weeks after each major update (when you know that the update won't bork your system), turn it back on, do the update manually, then turn it off again until after the next month's Patch Tuesday. Put an icon for Services on the desktop to make life easier. In addition, make sure you enable setting a restore point during a Windows Update in case something still goes wrong.
Remember: Paranoia means never having to say you're sorry!
Re:Not worth it (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not worth it (Score:5, Informative)
You can pull all of the telemetry "updates" without sacrificing the rest. It helps to actually read the descriptions of the updates you're installing. They're not all that cryptic. If it it's an update to "cusotmer experience", "telemetry" or "windows update", don't check the box and hide the update.
PC master race reddit has a good summary of older ones here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmas... [reddit.com]
There have been a couple of newer telemetry updates since then. Read what you're installing. Since win7 is not receiving any updates other than security, telemetry BS and windows update BS, it's not even all that much reading.
Re:Not worth it (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows 10 will sell more Apple gear than Donald Trump.
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Does it refuse to accept keyboard and trackpad input when coming back from sleep every morning like OS X does? I hate having to do a force shutdown and restart every morning.
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These update problems make me guess that it's the same than before: blue screen twice a day, you have to restart computer even after changing a small setting, laggy and slow desktop, malware quickly conquers your computer, driver problems, reinstall of operating system every month?
I haven't seen any of those problems since Windows Vista came out. Of course, I take care of my Windows PCs with proper maintenance. Most people don't do any kind of maintenance, encounter all kinds of problems, and then blame Microsoft rather than take personal responsibility.
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These update problems make me guess that it's the same than before: blue screen twice a day, you have to restart computer even after changing a small setting, laggy and slow desktop, malware quickly conquers your computer, driver problems, reinstall of operating system every month?
I haven't seen any of those problems since Windows Vista came out. Of course, I take care of my Windows PCs with proper maintenance. Most people don't do any kind of maintenance, encounter all kinds of problems, and then blame Microsoft rather than take personal responsibility.
Dude last weekend I installed fresh WIndows 10 FRESH out of the box after I cleaned the disk with partedcd. I used the latest Windows 10 image from Microsoft's website witht he media creation tool which was Novembers release update 1. FROM MICROSOFT.
Guess what? Windows update failed immediately?! sfc /scannow and dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth all reported corruption! Now explain how this is possible and my fault?
Windows 10 is the worst OS ever. Vista didn't have these problems.
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Now explain how this is possible and my fault?
A fresh install of Windows is not the same as letting it run for a while without any maintenance. I've been known to screw the pooch on a fresh install, especially if the hardware was newer than the OS. Sounds like you have a bad hard drive.
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Nah, not really. It works, it even runs a few days. 'til the next patch, then it's pretty much flip a coin whether your system boots or whether you can hope your backups are current.
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Strange how he used to be Teh Evilz.
Back then we didn't know just how bad it can get...
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I'm currently trying hard to find an upgrade to Win7 for my laptop that came with Win10 preinstalled.
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Unless you see MS sitting in a hole. Then the rule is START SHOVELING!
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Then I order cement.
Re: The first rule of holes (Score:2)
Re: Only way to be sure... (Score:3)
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When can you wusses put your foot down and help bring a mentality like mine back to the mainstream? I'm tired of having to argue all these points and wish you would all help educate common-folk you know about these issues. Stand the fuck up for yourself.
Well, never, since I disagree with you...
For whatever faults are with the current system, it does beat the crap out of the older system where a hundred million machines were botted due to a complete lack of Windows Updates.
People simply didn't update their computers, it was a mess.
This solution isn't perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.
Telling me to "just back it up" is retarded since that is downtime
Backing up is downtime? If backing up takes you time, you're doing it wrong. In any case, you should always have a backup of your data, if you don't, you have