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Quebec Bill Would Force Internet Firms To Block Access To Online Gaming Sites (montrealgazette.com) 100

New submitter rotoblobule writes that in order to help Quebec's lottery service fight against illegal gaming sites, "the Quebec government is currently passing bill 74, which will impose mandatory banning by internet providers of a list of online gaming sites." Here's stories about the pending legislation in French and English, and a relevant excerpt from the bill itself: "To monitor online gambling, the Consumer Protection Act is amended to require Internet service providers to block access to illegal gambling sites entered on a list drawn up by the Societe des loteries du Quebec, which must report...if service providers fail to comply with the Act."
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Quebec Bill Would Force Internet Firms To Block Access To Online Gaming Sites

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  • "Internet firms"? "Online gaming?" What a misleading headline.

    • The part that is inaccurate is " fight against illegal gaming sites".

      There is nothing "illegal" with these sites. They simply do not pay their Pizzo to the government of Québec, and it frustrates them, so they instigate fear in players so they think they're doing something illegal by playing on these sites. These sites have a license to operate, that can be from Curaçao, Cyprus, Panama or even Kahnawake (located in the province of... QUEBEC!), and they are not considered illegal, even by the law
  • The law books are full of unenforceable laws. This one is nothing new and won't be the last. In Canada, local regulations are trumped by Provincial acts, which are trumped by Federal acts, which are trumped by the constitution.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      It will last. The Régie des alcools, des courses et des jeux du Quebec has the power to regulate this stuff and the Canadian government cannot do anything about provincial rules like this. This is all to promote their own gambling websites, of which the canadian gov gets their cut as well, unlike with those "illegal websites".
      If the federal could do anything, we wouldn't have to be excluded from every giveaways ever just for living in Quebec due to the terrible laws we have over here.

      • It will last. The Régie des alcools, des courses et des jeux du Quebec has the power to regulate this stuff and the Canadian government cannot do anything about provincial rules like this.

        It won't last. Canada is a WTO member. Antigua will sue and win, again.

      • No.

        QC does not have the power to enforce the legislation. They can pass all the laws they want but the ISPs only have to listen to the feds. It would take orders from Ottawa to make it so. Section 92.10 of the Constitution Act of 1867 grants Ottawa exclusive power over international and interprovincial transport and communication.

        Now, if the gambling site is in QC then the Ass. Nat. can claim jurisdiction as this would be intraprovincial communication. Mmmmm, probably have to invoke the notwithstandi

        • If the site is in Québec, they just need to send the Sûreté, they have jurisdiction. As of the notwithstanding clause, it only affect language regulation; it was actually included in the Constitution to enable English provinces to discriminate against French people.
          • Yes. If the gambling site is in QC.

            However, the province has no jurisdiction over internet providers and their networks even if the ISP has it's servers in the province. Ottawa has jurisdiction; end of story.

      • It will last. The Régie des alcools, des courses et des jeux du Quebec has the power to regulate this stuff and the Canadian government cannot do anything about provincial rules like this. This is all to promote their own gambling websites, of which the canadian gov gets their cut as well, unlike with those "illegal websites". If the federal could do anything, we wouldn't have to be excluded from every giveaways ever just for living in Quebec due to the terrible laws we have over here.

        Nope, it won't last. Telecom is under FEDERAL regulation, so whenever an ISP will be told to block such and such website, they will say "va te faire foutre" (go fuck yourself), and when they'll be sued, they'll just point out that Québec has no jurisdiction.

    • by Livius ( 318358 )

      Provincial laws, regrettably, trump federal laws in a number of vaguely defined jurisdictions.

      And in Canada all laws are trumped by a judge feeling sorry for someone.

  • They would have to classify VPN's and proxies as ISP's and block all know non complaint ones. That's a hard problem unless you clamp down on speech like in China where they will eventually more or less block everything that isn't whitelisted. It is just not a problem that can be solved.

    What you can do is invalidate financial transactions legally which will require the gamblers to send money ahead of time which means they won't get into credit card debit as easily. You can also try to track payouts back to p

  • by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Sunday April 03, 2016 @01:28PM (#51832957) Homepage

    Quebec Bill Would Force Internet Firms To Block Access To Online Gaming Sites

    "To monitor online gambling,

    "Gambling" is not the same thing as "gaming."

    Can some editor do their job and fix this?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Gaming has long been used to refer to games of chance. Well before video games existed. Given the context of the rest of the article, I think this is quite clear.

      You know, table games, numbers games, etc etc.

      • Gaming has long been used to refer to games of chance. Well before video games existed. Given the context of the rest of the article, I think this is quite clear.

        Given where the summary has been posted, i.e. Slashdot, I'd say it's not clear at all.

        Furthermore, as another AC has pointed out, headlines are traditionally what people read before they read summaries/articles, so no, the context isn't clear.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Can some editor do their job and fix this?

      The Nevada Gaming Control Board [wikipedia.org] would like to have a word with you. They would like to point out that "gaming" is the traditional word used in this context.

      • The Nevada Gaming Control Board [wikipedia.org] would like to have a word with you. They would like to point out that "gaming" is the traditional word used in this context.

        Well a) I don't think they do want a word with me and b) they can piss off, because it means something else now. Especially to the readership of Slashdot.

  • Will they Crack down on western union? and other places used to move the funds to the sites?

  • help Quebec's lottery service fight against illegal gaming sites

    I do not mind the lottery's continuing existence as a tax on people bad in Math. But I do resent the government monopoly on this particular business. Those "gaming sites" are not inherently evil — they are only illegal, because they compete with the state's offering...

    And while the private casino slot machines pay back between 82% and 98% [wikipedia.org] of the money wagered by players, the state lotteries pay back [ncsl.org] from 49.5% to 73.6% (sorry, can't find a similar table for Canada)... If I ran such a racket, I'd try to smother the competition too, I suppose...

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      "as a tax"

      If someone other than the government is doing it, it's not a tax. I'm in favour of stupid people giving extra money to the government, to be used for the good of society (including me). I don't really like site-blocking regulations, but I would also prefer that the stupid tax actually benefit people here.

      • by mi ( 197448 )

        If someone other than the government is doing it, it's not a tax.

        The legal lotteries being discussed are government-owned, even if the actual operation is farmed out to private companies. No, if you really want to go Kefedokhles, it is not a tax because it is not mandatory...

        but I would also prefer that the stupid tax actually benefit people here.

        Apparently, it does not do that [youtube.com] either... Or not enough, or something...

        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          The legal lotteries being discussed are government-owned, even if the actual operation is farmed out to private companies. No, if you really want to go Kefedokhles, it is not a tax because it is not mandatory...

          Yes, the government run ones are. The ones operated out of Antigua, the blocking of which we are discussing here, aren't. That's why I said "If someone other the government is doing it, it's not a tax."

          In most Canadian provinces [gamingpost.ca] lottery funds are distributed in the form of direct grants to communit

    • they are only illegal, because they compete with the state's offering...

      Yeah, and prostitution is only illegal, because it competes with the state's offering.... of marriage

      Prohibition isn't about competing against the state, it's about competing against the Mob. Prohibition is a gangster's paradise.

    • by bidule ( 173941 )

      Quick look seems to indicate the law set the minimum at 83%, but it seems to be set at 92%.
      "Le Règlement sur le taux de retour des loteries vidéo (c. L-6, r. 13) exige un taux de retour de 83 %."

      So it's more bureaucratic control than money grabbing.

  • Ohh that's right we also have copyright, 'hate' speech, and other content they want to censor. We might as well just give up our internet connections altogether. In the countries which censor the direction has always been leading to more political even if unpopular speech being censored. It doesn't matter if we're talking China, Europe, the United States, or Canada. Each country has its own methods of censoring its population. Canada has a 'voluntary' system where all the major ISPs were pressured into adop

  • by Anonymous Coward

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/quebec-bill-would-force-internet-firms-to-block-access-to-online-gaming-sites-1.2843255

    "Critics say the Internet-censoring legislation -- unprecedented in Canada -- is a way for Quebec's state-owned gambling authority to block competition and could lead to governments across the country deciding what citizens can and can't view online."

    "I think the (Quebec) government doesn't understand the Internet and frankly doesn't understand the importance of an open and free Internet," s

  • Gaming site does not mean what you think it means.
  • my issue with any kind of State Level Blocking is how is the list edited (and by whom??).

    Sure you might want to block

    CP
    Hate Sites
    AP (for those that are not Adult)
    "Snuff" sites
    Otherwise Criminal Sites
    ect

    but im sure the SlashMind could come up with some edge cases where something might LOOK LIKE a "blacklist" worthy site but isn't.

    and thats not getting into the "Oops we blocked %otherparties% site at a critical time" type issue or the Admin being bribed to include/exclude a given site ie the op for
    wwwdotpoup

  • For one split second I thought Quebec was contemplating banning online video games as a whole.
  • This is typical, with VPNs and proxies, this law will never work. I can't believe that those that thought up this law are so technically incompetent. Come on Quebec, catch up to at least the 20th century.
  • Another assinine law written by a group of politicians who simply do not comprehend how the internet works. Wouldn't it be nice if, before they wrote the law, legislators actually talked to some subject matter experts?
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Look like loi 101 in Quebec. I hosted a website that was english only and language police came and give a fined to the company. After that we decide to host the website outside Quebec. Problem solved... Now my upstream provider are US based. So now let the game of cat and mouse start...

  • from TFS: "Quebec's lottery service"

    How is this a 'service'? Who does it serve? Could it be . . . Satan?!?!

    It seems to be a tax on the poor and ignorant. One that the state has usurped from entrepreneurial enterprises that at least offer an honest chance to win.

    How does this 'Consumer Protection Act' protect consumers when there is less opportunity to win? Quebec is almost ready to sing the song of the Ministry of Truth:

    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength

  • Seems to me the only way you can ban gambling sites is to do at at a high network layer so you can filter on content rather than IP.

    Only problem with that is HTTPS would need to be cracked open by the ISP using a root cert they force you to install in your browser.

    This may be the start of the slippery slope which will end at full circumvention of encrypted communications.

  • There's a world of a difference between an "online gaming site" and an "online gambling site". Maybe not to the outer world but anyone writing a /. post is intentionally using that title as click bait...
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