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Netherlands Looks To Ban All Non-Electric Cars By 2025 (yahoo.com) 423

An anonymous reader writes: Politicians in the Netherlands have proposed a law which could put a ban on sales of diesel and petrol cars by 2025. A majority of the lower house in the Dutch parliament approved a motion where all fossil fuel powered cars -- including hybrids -- would be banned. Yahoo News further reports, 'While it's still unclear whether the proposal will pass and become law, the ambitious plan would involve car manufacturers getting on board to produce enough electric vehicles to meet demand. The latest electric cars have shorter charging times and longer ranges, benefits that emission-free car evangelists hope will help make them appeal to users of traditional petrol and diesel cars." More details on this here.
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Netherlands Looks To Ban All Non-Electric Cars By 2025

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  • This will be interesting to see how this plays out...
    • Re:Wow (Score:4, Funny)

      by lgw ( 121541 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @03:26PM (#51933981) Journal

      Something like this, I expect.

      My uncle has a country place that no one knows about
      He says it used to be a farm before the Motor Law
      And on Sundays, I elude the eyes, hop the turbine freight
      Too far outside the wire, where my white-haired uncle waits

      Jump to the ground as the turbo slows to cross the borderline
      Then run like the wind as excitement shivers up and down my spine
      But down in his barn, my uncle preserved for me an old machine
      For fifty odd years, to keep it as new has been his dearest dream

      I strip away the old debris that hides a shining car
      A brilliant red Barchetta from a better vanished time
      Ooh, fired up the willing engine, responding with a roar
      Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime

      Wind in my hair
      Shifting and drifting
      Mechanical music
      Adrenaline surge

      Well-weathered leather, hot metal and oil
      The scented country air
      Sunlight on chrome, the blur of the landscape
      Every nerve aware

      Suddenly ahead of me across the mountainside
      A gleaming alloy air car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
      I spin around with shrieking tires to run the deadly race
      It goes screaming through the valley as another joins the chase

      Drive like the wind, straining the limits of machine and man
      Laughing out loud with fear and hope, I've got a desperate plan
      At the one lane bridge, I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
      Race back to the farm to dream with my uncle at the fireside

      Written by Peart, of course.

    • I'm sure it absolutely won't end with a lot of car dealerships opening shop on the borders.

      • You just pass law making sure you can't register a gas powered car and put a hefty tax on gas powered cars crossing the border unless they're just passing through.
  • by pijokela ( 462279 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @03:25PM (#51933969)

    A well known event that happens every year in Europe is when people from Belgium and the Netherlands pack their stuff in their cars and migrate through Germany to southern Europe. This pisses of the Germans as their autobahns are stock full of cars. .. how will they continue to do this with cars that only move a few hundred km between recharges?

    • by Mr D from 63 ( 3395377 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @03:30PM (#51934015)

      A well known event that happens every year in Europe is when people from Belgium and the Netherlands pack their stuff in their cars and migrate through Germany to southern Europe. This pisses of the Germans as their autobahns are stock full of cars. .. how will they continue to do this with cars that only move a few hundred km between recharges?

      Just buy a trailer and stick a gas generator on it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      cars that only move a few hundred km between recharges

      Well shit, in Europe that means you're already 4 countries over. You need a better scare metric.
    • This is a decade from now, dude; not a long time, perhaps, except for battery development...
    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      A well known event that happens every year in Europe is when people from Belgium and the Netherlands pack their stuff in their cars and migrate through Germany to southern Europe. This pisses of the Germans as their autobahns are stock full of cars. .. how will they continue to do this with cars that only move a few hundred km between recharges?

      Depends on the car I guess, a Tesla with supercharging wouldn't be that bad. I just checked the distance Amsterdam - Lisboa, that's ~2250km southwest and and Athens is ~2850km southeast though realistically most will be going to place like Nice on the French riviera, ~1400km away. If you're a bit loony you can drive the US coast to coast in 59 hours [jalopnik.com], that's ~4500km or about 75 km/h average including charging. So 1400km @ 75 km/h would be 18-19 hours straight charging/driving, even if we generously assume 13

    • by mspohr ( 589790 )

      Let me guess... they will stop and recharge?
      http://insideevs.com/tesla-det... [insideevs.com]

  • find out where the failure points are. revise. retool. try again.
  • Not a big deal (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Obfuscant ( 592200 )
    This isn't a big deal. The Netherlands is a small country with a dense mass transit (train and bus) system. If where you're going isn't close enough to walk, then it will be right on the train line. If you are courageous, you can ride for free. (The bus driver will catch you if you try it on a bus, though.)

    Or you can bike. Or you can skate on a canal in the winter. Nobody in Holland needs cars.

    • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @03:47PM (#51934221)

      If I lived in a country where the soccer national team needed to carry their passports with them until the EU was founded so they could legally get the balls back that went outside the playing field...

    • The Dutch drive all over Europe. They may not need their cars in their own country, but they used them enough everywhere else. Maybe keep them in vast parking lots on the borders?
    • Re:Not a big deal (Score:5, Informative)

      by St.Creed ( 853824 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @04:20PM (#51934535)

      Nobody in Holland needs cars.

      Unless you are actually employed or work as freelance consultant and happen to live outside the center of Amsterdam or Utrecht... The attitude displayed is an annoying one, mostly entertained by pseudo-intellectual hipsters who are still studying. Anyone who works as a consultant needs a car or has to face hours to commute (try Eindhoven-Utrecht if you don't live in the center, or Utrecht-Rijswijk, or Groningen-The Hague, or Nijmegen-Amsterdam, as several of my colleagues have to do).

      I tried using the train when I lived in Eindhoven and worked in Utrecht for a while, when I didn't have my drivers license yet (never needed one when I was in my pseudo-intellectual hipster phase). Two hours for a single trip due was the rule, not the exception. And I had only a single destination then, not three, as is sometimes the case nowadays.

  • Lots and lots of trucks.

  • Dire consequences (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kamapuaa ( 555446 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @03:36PM (#51934083) Homepage

    Sounds like Dutch people will have to go to Germany just to buy a new car...

    • Since the Dutch government can't legally prevent the sale of cars that have been approved for sale in Europe, I doubt it will come to that. This whole plan is complete and utter nonsense. The treaties currently in place don't allow it, the infrastructure isn't there and we all know the government would rather commit ritual suicide than actually invest in infrastructure, so it won't happen.

      Heck, when the model 3 was doing fine with pre-orders, one of the opposition parties immediately demanded that the tax b

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by hooiberg ( 1789158 )
      As a Dutchman, this is just a whole thing to direct public outrage from 'We voted no on cooperation with the Ukraine but the government does it anyway' to something else. Or, as a politician said: "our country is a place where respect for minorities is important, so we will go with the minority of the votes." I shit ye not...
  • When they have banned incandescent bulbs, people were hoarding them. Later regular, old fashion, tungsten bulbs reappeared but were no longer called light bulbs, but rather heating elements.

    We have to assume they will hoard cars.

    And those who want will find a way to circumvent every nonsensical law: there will be a lot of exceptions. Some already pointed out that if Dutch wants to travel to Spain or France, will they be required to rent a car? There is a reason free market works best.

    Had we listened to the

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      Some already pointed out that if Dutch wants to travel to Spain or France, will they be required to rent a car? There is a reason free market works best.

      They would probably rent a generator pod (trailer) instead. Then again, this might just push companies to start developing of cars with an all-day driving range (say 800 miles per charge).

      Of course, the misleading headline makes this story sound bigger than it is. The ban is exclusively on the sale of new cars, not on the sale of used cars, not on the use

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        They would probably rent a generator pod (trailer) instead. Then again, this might just push companies to start developing of cars with an all-day driving range (say 800 miles per charge).

        Would be nice, but's it's not all about price. The battery pack in a Tesla is already very heavy, there's a diminishing return as you're lugging around a bigger and bigger battery. I'd say superchargers, battery swaps and possibly long haul trains is the way to go, if you have electrified track it should be possible to both give you a high speed ride and charge the car back to full at the same time. Or just take the train/plane and get a rental or whatever. Swapping trailers is actually how I expect long ha

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        300 mile batteries are a safety feature. After five hours non-stop on the road you need to pull over for 45 minutes to top up.

        800 miles is 11 hours non-stop. I don't think that's even legal for commercial drivers in Europe.

    • Nah, they will just relabel them "mobile noisemakers" and be done with it. It ain't a car, so it ain't banned.

      Just like with the light bulbs.

    • Free market doesn't always work the *best*; it supplies a specific set of advantages in each situation, some of which are *extremely* common. Much of the time, a regulated free market operates the best--in which case we can read "regulated" as "facilitated", a fact many lawmakers ignore. Radio spectrum bandwidth licenses are a strong example: without these, broadcast television and radio would be a chaos of noise and interference, and thus constantly exposed to expenses and risks, driving the price up o

  • the ambitious plan would involve car manufacturers getting on board to produce enough electric vehicles to meet demand.

    Do they really think manufacturers will price their cars below market equilibrium? Is there a price ceiling on electric cars in the Netherlands?

  • The USA Loophole ... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PPH ( 736903 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @03:42PM (#51934159)

    ... trucks.

    Here, we used this when they slapped 'luxury taxes' and 'gas guzzler taxes' on full sized sedans and station wagons. Everyone jumped in pickup trucks and SUVs. Once Congress recognized the unintended consequences*, they cancelled the taxes. But nobody switched back.

    *They briefly tried raising the GVW needed to qualify as a truck. Enter the Lincoln Navigator and H2 Hummer. 'We'll raise it even more'. Manufacturers built vehicles based on the Kodiak [f650pickups.com] chassis and similar. We can move up scale faster than Congress can write laws. Someone Photoshopped the next possible step [bikeforest.com] and cooler heads prevailed.

    • International _shipped_ a personal big rig cab. The 'CSX'.

      I'd still prefer a Unimog. But only if I don't have to pay for repairs.

      • by Holi ( 250190 )
        Funny I was just looking up the CSX. that thing was ridiculous. I agree on the Unimog.
  • Most non-electric cars really suck at floating. It's not like they built them like the VW Beetle [youtube.com] way back when. And water ingestion will kill the engine.
    • "Although the beetle does definitely float, it will not float indefinitely". God, I love those things. Those indestructible air-cooled boxer engines, supposedly swappable with certain models made for Porsche.

      But they are death-traps. That plate on the bottom at the beginning of the video, that forms the floor of the car, gives the car its stiffness and durability... unless an impact causes it to crack. Once it buckles, the cabin collapses and anything or anyone in the car gets squashed. Drive carefully,

  • This is not a "ban on all non-electric vehicles". According to TFA, it is a ban on the sale of gasoline and diesel powered vehicles, with currently-owned vehicles grandfathered. Perhaps a market will emerge for coal-burning steam-engined cars.

    TFA did not mention whether the ban will include the purchase and importation of gas/diesel vehicles from outside the Netherlands. Seems obvious that the only way to get all gas/diesel vehicles off the road and keep them off is to prohibit the sale of the fuel that kee

  • If man will be alive
    electric car he must drive...
  • It SO isn't. (Score:5, Informative)

    by JustNiz ( 692889 ) on Monday April 18, 2016 @04:49PM (#51934879)

    PLEASE!!!! ENOUGH ALREADY with headlines that make factually inaccurate over-dramatized claims.
    RTFA.
    They're actually NOT banning all non-electric cars in 2025, they're just stopping the sale of any new gas/diesel cars.

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