Windows 10 Warns Chrome and Firefox Users About Battery Drain, Recommends Switching To Edge (venturebeat.com) 377
A month after Microsoft claimed that its Edge web browser is more power efficient than Google Chrome and Firefox, the company is now warning Windows 10 users about the same. VentureBeat reports: Microsoft has turned on a new set of Windows Tips that warn Windows 10 users that Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox is draining their laptop's battery. The solution, according to the notification, is to use Microsoft Edge.In a statement to the publication, the company said: "These Windows Tips notifications were created to provide people with quick, easy information that can help them enhance their Windows 10 experience, including information that can help users extend battery life. That said, with Windows 10 you can easily choose the default browser and search engine of your choice."
'Enhancements' (Score:5, Insightful)
You know what would enhance my windows 10 experience? Allow me to disable driver-breaking updates.
Re:'Enhancements' (Score:5, Funny)
Re:'Enhancements' (Score:5, Insightful)
Precisely. Using that same logic, they should suggest you uninstall windows and install Linux with just a shell. :)
Old dog, old tricks (Score:5, Insightful)
In the late 1990s Microsoft was found guilty of violations of the anti-trust laws for using their monopoly in one market (operating systems) to leverage market share in another market (browsers). Through a number a dirty tactics, Microsoft stole the browser market from Netscape and avoided the creation of an independent, OS-neutral, platform for running applications.
Now, twenty years later, Microsoft up to its old tricks. Using the Windows 10 market share to leverage its browser. I'm thinking the Department of Justice might want to take a look at the Microsoft consent decree from their last conviction.
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If you look at Microsoft's campaign donations pre and post monopoly conviction you'll see what happened. They used every dirty trick in the book before the conviction and made almost zero campaign donations. Post conviction they went back to dirty tricks but began handing out heaps of cash to our elected officials. Strangely no one at the justice department seems to notice the dirty tricks anymore. I'm sure there is no connection though.
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"The best solution is to break up Microsoft into two companies: An OS company which does nothing but produce Windows, not favoring any software. And an Applications company which makes software like Office, IE, etc., not favoring any operating system."
Re: Old dog, old tricks (Score:2)
Regardless, this is really bad form on the part of Microsoft and I wouldn't be surprised if Mozilla, Google, and possibly opera end up suing Microsoft for libel over this.
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> where Google refuses to allow any YouTube apps on Windows Phones
That is not true. Microsoft wrote an app that abused YouTube's terms of service, so Google asked for it to be removed. Later it was reinstated without the ability to download and save videos, which was the issue.
There are several YouTube apps available on Windows Phone so you are completely wrong.
> Microsoft is not the bad guy,
Yes, they were. Microsoft knew YouTube's terms of service and deliberately abused them.
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These are the new days, where Google refuses to allow any YouTube apps on Windows Phones. But Microsoft puts its apps everywhere.
OMFG. Are you fucking kidding me? Where's Microsoft Office for Ubuntu (or any linux distro)? They are not putting their apps everywhere, and they're doing the same shit they've always done. They took the time to get some bastard version of Ubuntu running in Windows 10, but all Linux gets is a really broken alpha version of Skype.
You can argue that they don't need to do that all you want, but then there is no reason Google/YouTube should support Windows Phones either - that's an even smaller market than Linu
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Have you actually tried changing the search provider in Edge?
Microsoft is using wome strange new definition of the word "easy" that I was previously unaware of.
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Have you actually tried changing the search provider in Edge?
Microsoft is using wome strange new definition of the word "easy" that I was previously unaware of.
Nothing about Edge works well. Its a steaming wet pile of asparagus pee.
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1. How the FUCK do I get RID of it?
As for that question, try GWX Control Panel. I've yet to see a prompt since. As for the other two, 'money'.
I was wondering if I would need GWX Control Panel, thanks!
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No.
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]
WTF does OPERA have to do with this???
Re:'Enhancements' (Score:4, Informative)
he only needs to install this patch http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ [goodbye-microsoft.com]
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You really care which architecture the preloader was made for? That only runs once.
And on Chromebook... (Score:2, Insightful)
And when you run Edge or Firefox on a Chromebook, Chrome OS warns.... Oh wait. You can't run 3rd party browsers at all under Google's Chrome OS.
Re:And on Chromebook... (Score:5, Funny)
Which would piss me off if they sold it as a general purpose computer instead of a "Chromebook" that runs... Chrome.
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Let's ignore for the moment that you can put Linux on a Chromebook, which does run Linux kernel after all.
You basically restated what I just said. If I buy a "laptop", I expect it to be a general-purpose computer. At the very least, it should run a general purpose OS like Windows. With some luck, you can make it run a different general-purpose OS. If I buy a Chromebook, I expect it to run Chrome. It's in the name: Chrome-book. I have no expectation that it should be a general purpose computer, and any abili
Re:And on Chromebook... (Score:5, Insightful)
And when you run Edge or Firefox on a Chromebook, Chrome OS warns.... Oh wait. You can't run 3rd party browsers at all under Google's Chrome OS.
firefox runs just great on my chromebook, just install chrubuntu and it's just another linux box.
tell us about the os choices on your surface hardware
Re:And on Chromebook... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's about holding a dominant position in the computer OS markets and utilizing that to further entrench your dominance. The same applies for example to Google using their dominant position on the search engine markets to promote their own products at the expense of competitors' visibility in search results.
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In related news, the European commission starts noticing a possible abuse of Android to skew the market against competitors:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/20/eu-commission-google-android-skew-market-competition-antitrust-vestager [theguardian.com]
It seems quite possible that the next antitrust proceedings are brewing here...
Re:And on Chromebook... (Score:5, Informative)
Except Edge sucks so incredibly bad that even if it made my battery last three times as long I wouldn't use it. With great effort we've finally rolled out our default apps XML file through GPO settings to all but make Edge disappear, because that astonishingly terrible hunk of shit even wants to open PDF files by default.
Re: And on Chromebook... (Score:2, Insightful)
Whether it's a steaming pile of diarrheatic human excrement... or not, is irrelevant. You should ignore its features and base your decisions on ethical point of views. Thst being said, what MS is doing is unethical. Ditch all MS products you can.
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What's wrong with Edge?
Your favourites folder is no longer able to be redirected, (They're stored in some awful location like %appdata%/localLow/Microsoft /{00423025-2252342fj90fcj2903} in some awful proprietary blob database, so if you're in an environment that you might use multiple computers there's no way to sync your favourites unless you log into the computer with a microsoft account (Or Azure AD account)
And the GPO's available at the moment to configure it are pretty much non-existant. You can set the home page and a cou
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The real frustration for us in our organizational roll out was that it would outright not run at all, bringing up some rather nasty error dialog. We did manage to fix it with DISM command line repair options, but that was an incredibly arduous process. What we did find is that some of the failures of Edge, Cortana and the Start Menu on some systems appears to have been botched upgrade of V2 roamin profiles to V5 profiles, although we had seen nothing like this on the few systems in the test bed that we had
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Oh good, perhaps you can inform us what we did wrong.
Go for it, Mr. AC.
Windows 10 isn't done until... (Score:4, Funny)
Chrome, Firefox, or for that matter anything not out of Microsoft won't run.
Re:Windows 10 isn't done until... (Score:5, Insightful)
Ironically Chrome runs just fine for me on Windows 10, however Edge does not. It regularly 'comes up' and then doesn't load correctly. This gives me a useless window that won't connect to sites on the internet. Ever. I open and close it enough it it may eventually open correctly. Chrome? Chrome always opens. Firefox did as well when I had it installed. Opera works fine and all the time as well. No idea why Edge can't work right, but it's the one I won't be using.
Re:Windows 10 isn't done until... (Score:5, Funny)
See how much battery power it saves!
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So this is the trick Edge uses to conserve battery power. By not opening the pages.
What's next? (Score:3)
Will Microsoft pitch a warning that LibreOffice is stressing your hard drive more than a fresh copy of Office would? (click here to buy)
Howabout you plug in your smart phone to charge, and Windows replies with a message that Android nerds are sad losers with tight pants and bad hair, quick use this coupon and receive a lovely Lumia and join the Windows Winner's Revolution.
You heard it here first. Marketers gotta monetize.
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Honestly, it would not surprise me if Microsoft started doing things like that. Windows 10 is more of a marketing platform than an operating system.
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Given the rather mediocre market share of Win10 after a VIOLENTLY aggressive campaign I think it's fair to say it sucks at being either.
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I have not seen one person who happily switched from office to libre.
I have, because Microsoft's office isn't compatible with itself from Mac to PC, And not at all on Linux. Also problems with different versions.
Now that I am on the open Offices, every file works perfectly on all three platforms, even a freakin' Raspberry Pi for crissakes. It will even open older MS Office formats.
Maybe if you only ever have to do simple shit on identical Microsoft computers, you can use an inferior product like Microsoft's. I have work to do across platforms, and it simply is not capab
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We're not talking about nuclear reactor plans here. This is just documents, we don't need pixel perfect. Yes if you open a MS-Word 97 document in BrokenOffice or LibreOffice it may get a little off here and there, but for the most part it will work.
The problem is that those alternatives suck compared to the original. Microsoft fails at creating high quality applications in general, but somehow for Word, Excel and PowerPoint they've hit the sweet spot. Just like the iPod; the competition never got it as good
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We're not talking about nuclear reactor plans here. This is just documents, we don't need pixel perfect.
Ahh, there we go. You have made yourself quite clear Your bar is set around 2 or so.
Yes if you open a MS-Word 97 document in BrokenOffice or LibreOffice it may get a little off here and there, but for the most part it will work.
I made a mistake, You are so beholden to Microsoft that you accept failure You have no bar.
The problem is that those alternatives suck compared to the original.
I have old microsoft doc files that won't even open up in newer versions, yet show up pretty as you please in OO or AO. What the hell kind of Bizzarro world do you live in where the application that doesn't work is superior, and the application that saves yer sorry backside does, but that makes it suck?
Microsoft fails at creating high quality applications in general, but somehow for Word, Excel and PowerPoint they've hit the sweet spot.
If you define "sweet Spot" as w
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Backwards compatibility is not a valued feature in MS Office and various measures to "clean out cruft" have meant that all Open/libreoffice had to do to have better compatibility is not throw things away.
I still stand by the very old lesson from the days before MS Word was integrated with Excel etc - if multiple people are working on stuff with the same n
Re: What's next? (Score:4, Informative)
You still ain't shown anything to backup your incredible claims.
https://support.office.com/en-... [office.com]
Office for Mac doesn't run correctly within itself. https://support.microsoft.com/... [microsoft.com]
Some ways to help - but not a complete list. http://www.officeformachelp.co... [officeformachelp.com]
A bad answer, but more problems http://answers.microsoft.com/e... [microsoft.com] As they say "most likely" That will take care of some issues but not all.
http://www.walternelson.com/dr... [walternelson.com]
Here you are told to do exactly what an above link tells you not to do http://presentationsoft.about.... [about.com]
Just general things https://support.microsoft.com/... [microsoft.com]
This one is cute - directly from Microsoft and I quote> "However, high compatibility workbooks/projects can be achieved", as well as "There may well be a solution or workaround." Hozabout that? High compatibility is not compatibility, and workarounds are not compatibility. http://answers.microsoft.com/e... [microsoft.com]
And with Office 365 in particular http://answers.microsoft.com/e... [microsoft.com]
So anyhow there is about as much as I'm willing to do for you, coward. Any more, and do your own research Which of course is a non starter isn't it?
Right from Microsoft, they speak of it's issues. Take it up with them. Sparky.
Meantime, I'm using a suite that doesn't have those issues.
"Google works better with Chrome" (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:"Google works better with Chrome" (Score:5, Insightful)
Yet again, Microsoft is up to their old tricks. Sleezily shoving windows 10 down the throats of users and now slimy tricks to get people to install their new browser.
Re: "Google works better with Chrome" (Score:2)
Yup, Microsoft is the new Yahoo.
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Google is the most anti competitive company on the face of the Earth, uses Youtube as a means of subverting artist's profit, and is front for the CIA/NSA
I think I like Microsoft more.
You're damn right. When I upload unlisted videos of my kids for grandma to watch, Google isn't paying me! I demand money for using their excellent hosting platform for free!
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You're right. They should be marked -2.
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Right, Google has a monopoly on phones, because no one uses iPhones.
Re:"Google works better with Chrome" (Score:4, Insightful)
Microsoft does have a monopoly and is actively trying to use it to dupe people into adopting their new products.
Google and Facebook have set up a stand that says in big bold blinking letters. "Free stonecones with ass raping!" When questioned they say that everyone has to be ass raped in order to make free snow cones possible. But that isn't the point, the point is, you could simply choose to buy a snow cone at any of the other snow cone stands.
Microsoft is setting up a booth in the doorway of the only grocery store in town with a sign saying "Free health checkup! You'll live longer using our quick and fun service." You then have to solve a rubiks cube to indicate you don't want the service and just want to go in the store, anything else, including putting the cube down results in a 6'5 greasy convict grabbing you and ass raping you.
See the difference?
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a 6'5 greasy convict grabbing you and ass raping you.
Is that what the kids mean when they say "Free health checkup" these days? It's hard to keep up.
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Microsoft does have a monopoly and is actively trying to use it to dupe people into adopting their new products.
Oh come on, there's more to it than just market share and as far as personal computing is concerned these days there are a wealth of different options, Microsoft barely has a majority (in fact I'm not sure they do anymore) in personal computing anymore. There's various Linux distributions and Dell even supplies Ubuntu pre-loaded on their XPS, Inspiron and Precision products, there are Chromebooks, there are Macs, there are iPads, there are Android devices, are these really not viable alternatives for person
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Chromebooks, iPads, Android devices... these are mobile devices and are a completely different market.
Well they're just not, as far as personal computing goes pretty much all personal computing tasks can be done on all those devices. By your definition Google has a monopoly on Chromebooks and therefore should not be allowed to ship their Chrome browser on it, but that would just be silly.
There is a reason many people have a phone, tablet, laptop, and a desktop.
I don't think that's even a fact, I'd say very few people have a phone, tablet, laptop and desktop.
Most people have both a desktop device (laptop/desktop) and a mobile device (tablet/phone).
Again with this "most people", what is it they are doing on their desktop that they can't do on any other device? There are
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Who did they offer it to for free? Only people who paid for another (ad-free) version of Windows get Windows 10 for free.
Re:"Google works better with Chrome" (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, and Yahoo (remember them?) suggests you run Firefox. But these are routinely ignored, jammed somewhere on a corner of the page. Attentive users may be annoyed for a few moments before moving on, while novice users have no awareness it was ever there. I mean, the page is displaying, isn't it? It's like you drive to McDonald's, and see a sign that says "Your ride here would have been more fun in a Chevy Malibu!" Nevertheless, you've arrived, your attention turns to your craving for salty oily processed food, and you go on your way.
It's a different thing when the OS itself bitches at you. They tend to look like dire warnings, that send dumb users to the phones asking "am I doing something wrong?" Like Amber-Alert signs flashing at you to dump your ride for a Chevy Malibu cause you're wasting gas or something.
Re:"Google works better with Chrome" (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey, nice battery you've got there, end user, it would be a shame if something.. HAPPENED to it.. Maybe you'd better use our Edge browser, you know, for your own protection
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Don't contribute to malice what can be contributed to a browser being about as functional as as a program that calls sleep(); over and over again. Because while being super power efficient it is about as useful as Edge.
I attribute Chrome and Firefox's higher power use to actually attempting to render the damn web pages.
Re:"Google works better with Chrome" (Score:5, Insightful)
So what's the news? Google pushes you to download Chrome every time you visit their site.
I don't have to use Google. In fact, I use DuckDuckGo instead. I pretty much have to use Windows for business reasons. You see the difference?
Then there is simply the old school belief that a computer OS should be a neutral platform, enabling the user to make the computer do its bidding, not serving up ads that you can't turn off on a device that you actually need to use.
Depends on the industry (Score:2)
I don't have to use Google. In fact, I use DuckDuckGo instead. I pretty much have to use Windows for business reasons. You see the difference?
It depends on what industry you're in. In some industries, you can get away with Wine. In others, such as Android application development, you need to use at least some Google services.
Permit me to be the first to say . . . (Score:2, Troll)
You see, you have to believe MS's position that the Trident rendering engine is significantly more efficient than Gecko in something other than a test designed to showcase Edge's not-so-obvious superiority. I wonder if that render efficiency "egde" is due to the lack of plugin support?
You're right. I should've said 'spartan'. (Score:2)
Consider the previous comment suitably modified.
No thanks, again. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:No thanks, again. (Score:5, Funny)
I've not used edge much, but in its defence, it is better than the previous IE.
In the same way that the common cold is better than norovirus.
It is somewhat misleading though... (Score:2)
What if you're Plugged In? (Score:2)
Has anyone seen what happens if you're not using a battery? Like on a desktop? Maybe Windows hits you with carbon footprint statistics? You could slow the melting of the icecaps if you'd just suck up and use Edge.
My decision to not get thes 'free' crap... (Score:2)
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http://ultimateoutsider.com/do... [ultimateoutsider.com]
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https://www.grc.com/never10.ht... [grc.com]
https://voat.co/v/technology/c... [voat.co]
http://ultimateoutsider.com/do... [ultimateoutsider.com]
https://www.safer-networking.o... [safer-networking.org]
Any, or all, of those seem to be safe to use. Try one, or try them all. They mostly duplicate each other's measures, but they aren't quite all the same, either.
Laughable (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey Microsoft! I don't always have time or battery power to sit around waiting for updates to install!
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Know what I do...?
I turn off my fucking computer. Every time.
This has only b0rked windows on me twice, in 15 years of doing it.
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I know, on my own system on my own time I definitely do this.
But when I'm on site with a client's system and I have to make the judgement call: screw the OS and waste the afternoon rebuilding/restoring, or wait out the upgrades, it's a tough decision. Last one I did was a 90 minute fucking wait. Screw that.
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This has only b0rked windows on me twice, in 15 years of doing it.
You should probably find a more efficient way of b0rking Windows -- you'll be much happier. A hammer should do it.
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Just do a restart instead of a shutdown. Then hard power off the system at the moment of the reboot. This is easier done on desktop, else you'll have to remove the battery - because on a modern system, you won't have 7 seconds to shut it down with the power button before Windows is half-booted again.
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you can usually hit some key to load hardware setup or the boot options.
Again, if the machine is booting using EFI "fast boot" you often can't even get to those either. I wanted to get to my motherboard's F12 boot menu. I tried over and over, just rebooting or shutting off and powering back on and never got in but the OS started booting before the keyboard had even initialized. I had to turn it off, unplug the power cord, drain the caps by pressing the power button repeatedly before it would do a normal boot so that I could get to the boot menu.
google chrome sleep mode? (Score:2)
Wasn't Google Chrome (the browser) meant to introduce a sleep mode to background tabs? Does anyone know whether that was introduced or whether I am confusing the browser product?
At the same time Google Chrome often shows up as 'using significant energy' on my MacBook Air, under MacOS 10.11.5. Has anyone done any profiling to see what aspect of Google Chrome is consuming the CPU? BTW I am one of those tab hoarders, but apparently not as bad as some.
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While I didn't find the news article I thought I had read, I did find the Chrome extension 'The Great Suspender', which indicates it 'Automatically suspends unused tabs to free up system resources'. Just installed it in the hope it actually helps - BTW I have no involvement in the creation of this extension, but it does appear to be open source: https://github.com/deanoemcke/... [github.com]
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Re:google chrome sleep mode? (Score:4, Insightful)
Chrome will automatically unload the contents of tabs you can't see in low memory conditions.
Which makes it harder to open things in tabs to read later while offline, as it'll often try to reload them from the Internet instead of cache.
is there (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:is there (Score:4, Informative)
an ad blocker for edge. last time I tried it they didn't have any ad blocker (please no host file APK spam) I refuse to run a browser without ad blocking because of malware.
Yes, the ad blockers so far released for Edge are "Adblock" and "Adblock Plus"
https://www.engadget.com/2016/... [engadget.com]
They're for the anniversary update, currently available on the insiders program, due for general release on August 2nd.
Okay, but ... (Score:2)
Lol, no, really? (Score:2)
Headline should be: "Maker Of Edge Browser Says Don't Use Those Other Browsers"
Time for major websites to warn users about Win10 (Score:2)
Google, Yahoo and Apple should pop up similar bubbles on their websites, truthfully warning about everything wrong with Windows 10 and recommending alternatives.
Re:Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery (Score:5, Insightful)
I expect most of it is because Edge is already running in the background (Integrated web browser). So When running Chrome of Firefox it is using more power because you are running Edge and the other browser. If you could fully deIntegrate the web browser from Windows You may see Windows running with less power requirement. And when you kick off a third party browser you may not see such a drane.
Also I expect your other browsers are using the extra processing power to do things like properly rendering the page. And not the cheapo decade behind the times compatibility that Edge has to offer.
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Whoah, wait, Edge is integrated into Windows? Didn't we already go down this path with IE way back when? ugh :(
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already running in the background
Taking up space in RAM doesn't use battery power. Eating CPU cycles does. Something sitting in the background doing nothing doesn't need those CPU cycles. On the other hand, Chrome really does have more of a problem with that than Edge. Edge's problem is the UI.
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I expect most of it is because Edge does a half arsed job of rendering web pages.
An almost blank screen uses less CPU than a multi-media page.
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While right in theory I would not cross that bridge on Win10. An OS that causes network traffic when nothing is (supposedly) communicating is not necessarily consuming no CPU time when nothing is (supposedly) doing anything.
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Oh, on the contrary. It is very *well* concieved and implemented.
It was conceived to be privacy destroying nightmare, and they did a fantastic job building it.
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Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery by being a poorly conceived and implemented operating system. You should install Linux immediately.
Actually, due to what I think is a gtk3/glib3 bug, firefox regularly spins up the CPU, heating up the machine to the point it burns my lap, as well as making firefox perform poorly, for extended periods of time. Have also noticed it in other applications, such as Eclipse based applications (Lotus Notes for my sins) but it makes my Ubuntu installations very battery hostile.
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Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery by being a poorly conceived and implemented operating system. You should install Linux immediately.
And yet, I've found linux consistently drained my battery faster. Perhaps due to failures of the laptops to adhere to ACPI standards properly, perhaps due to driver issues with the video, and networking ...
Doesn't really matter what the why is, what matters is the unit runs out of juice faster. Recent windows releases have been surprisingly good at sipping battery.
Re:Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery (Score:5, Interesting)
Well ... seriously, on my Asus Zenbook running Linux Mint 17.2, I get 10 hours of battery life if I'm not running Chrome but that goes down to 4 hours if I leave Chrome up in the background.
I have to agree that Chrome is a battery eater; Firefox is a lot easier on my battery, but not running processes I don't need is even better.
I don't have Windows installed so I can't compare with Edge.
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My Lenovo X220 does almost the same with Windows or Linux once I install power management, I lose around 10% compared to Windows while using Cinnamon. I mention that because it also depends on the desktop environment (DE) and browser you use, newer flashier DE's are going to use more power. As much as I love Cinnamon, it does use more power than say XFCE or LXDE, I expect b
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Chrome may be a bigger part of that than Linux.
I've an i5/4/128gb SP3 which is still running Windows 8.1. Recently I got annoyed at the modern IE so threw on Chrome and have been using it as the default browser for the last few weeks and have noticed a similar drop in battery life.
I noticed the same thing. If I run with ~170 tabs open in Chrome, it sucks battery life and memory.
If I run with ~25 tabs in IE, it crashes.
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Re:Consistency people (Score:5, Insightful)
Yup, but not on my desktop itself.
I only see those notifications when I visit google's webpage as part of (or in place of) other ads.
As opposed to a 'notification area' being used as an advertising area. It'd be nice though if they made a button called 'yeah I acutally know what i'm doing, leave me alone' ... I mean besides installing linux of course.
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Yes, I only see those google ads when I go to any google site, ot on TV, or buses, or billboards, but not my dreams!
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well you don't install pro battery add on then this system with a non removal battery will be red flagged and allowed to fly
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Then compile your own Chromium and Firefox. If they block that, then as a side effect, it'll also block use of Visual Studio to build and test Windows Store apps for Windows 10 and Windows Phone.