Microsoft Bungles This Week's Windows 10 Anniversary Update (zdnet.com) 172
An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes ZDNet:
Microsoft rolled out this week the seventh Cumulative Update of fixes to Windows 10 Anniversary Update since the Anniversary version of Windows 10 began going to customers on August 2...causing installation issues for some users. I don't know how many are affected -- it's definitely nowhere near "all" -- but reports are coming in on Twitter and in Microsoft support forums from those who can't install the update, resulting (at least for some) in an endless loop of repeated attempts...
But a few of those affected have pointed out that when Microsoft first delivered this update to its "Release Preview" ring of Insider testers at the start of this week, some testers reported the installation failure/reboot issue. Despite those reports, Microsoft still pushed this update out to those not in the Insider program... Unsurprisingly, this issue is triggering a round of "What's the point of Insider testing?" questions. It looks to some like Microsoft is just ignoring Insider feedback...
Paul Thurrott reports that the problems are "widespread... Microsoft is pushing the idea that you should always patch your machine on the day the update is released as they often release security patches that fix vulnerabilities. But, until the company can get a handle on their quality control issues...it feels like every time you run Windows update you are rolling the dice."
But a few of those affected have pointed out that when Microsoft first delivered this update to its "Release Preview" ring of Insider testers at the start of this week, some testers reported the installation failure/reboot issue. Despite those reports, Microsoft still pushed this update out to those not in the Insider program... Unsurprisingly, this issue is triggering a round of "What's the point of Insider testing?" questions. It looks to some like Microsoft is just ignoring Insider feedback...
Paul Thurrott reports that the problems are "widespread... Microsoft is pushing the idea that you should always patch your machine on the day the update is released as they often release security patches that fix vulnerabilities. But, until the company can get a handle on their quality control issues...it feels like every time you run Windows update you are rolling the dice."
Why does anyone update? (Score:1, Insightful)
Why not just wait? If you don't surf questionable sites, have an up-to-date av program, and everything's working ok, why not just leave well enough alone and let the suckers take the hit? You don't see businesses rushing to update for a reason - and that reason is the topic of this story - it often breaks sh*t.
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Just try to do no updates if you are using Windows 10 Home or Pro version (without pulling the network connection obviously)...
Good luck with that...
Re:Why does anyone update? (Score:5, Interesting)
NOT (quite) CORRECT. You can defer updates in the PRO version.
Settings-->Update & Security-->Windows Update--> Advanced options-->Defer Upgrades
Been working for me for months, whereas my one guinea-pig system that I didn't switch did upgrade eventually.
Security updates continued to come through.
Why they don't offer Defer Upgrades in the Home version is... I don't know. Cockiness. Force features on the Home-version Plebes.
Why they don't vet these updates better is... bizarre.
Apple pushed out five (I think) public betas before releasing Sierra, and the only thing I've noticed wrong is they yanked out PPTP VPN (they sent out warnings, but I didn't get the memo). Maybe the right thing to do, but it still messed me up. OTOH, I yelled at M$ through the Insider Program that their latest wasn't installing, and DID THEY LISTEN? If they'd only just do exactly what I tell them exactly when I say at all times... but noooooooooooo, 'cause we're Microsoft and we all went to Harvard we want to get into CELL PHONES 'cuz Uncle Pewterschmidt says that's where the money is!
Hey, Microsoft, if you that CEO position becomes vacant again, gimme a call. Fix everything, for 1/10 what you pay Satya. Maybe 1/3. We'll talk.
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Windows 10 Enterprise is the only edition that supports LTSB. Basically, Microsoft wants everyone to pay an additional licensing cost and throw out their original Windows 10 license for the privilege of not being part of their continuous deployment. I believe agile can work for operating systems, but Windows 10 home/pro/IoT/Mobile editions are guinea pigs while Microsoft figures out how to do it. You will get burned until Microsoft adapts to this new methodology of development, deployment and testing.
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Microsoft wants everyone to pay an additional licensing cost and throw out their original Windows 10 license for the privilege of not being part of their continuous deployment
No they don't. You couldn't pay this license fee even if you wanted to. Enterprise editions aren't available for anything other than specific and large volume contracts. This isn't a money issue or they'd allow it for some pro users too since that would push home users up. It also wouldn't cripple their enterprise sales because those contracts are tied in volume licensing for an entire suite of MS software.
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Should you be using a desktop OS for 24/7 operation?
I see no reason why not -- if it is stable. The same version of CentOS that I am typing at I have installed on customer servers. But no way would I suggest that anyone use MS Windows for anything that had an uptime or reliability requirement - it is just laughable.
I was at a friend's house today, had dug out an old printer, could I get it to work ? I configured it's wifi, 5 minutes; ran up the Linux Mint printer config tool; I had a test page printed off in a minute; tried the same on Win 10 ... nothing, ha
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Why do people say that MS Windows is easier to use than Linux ?
Because they haven't used Linux. Or if they had, it was from like 1998, and they are forming thier wrong opinion from ancient software
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Thank you.
This is the sort of reason I replicate my work across three operating systems as best as is possible. This means I stick as close to possible as using Open Source even where the OS is not.
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Why they don't offer Defer Upgrades in the Home version is... I don't know. Cockiness. Force features on the Home-version Plebes. Why they don't vet these updates better is... bizarre.
Microsoft has always broken systems with updates, from way back in XP days. There was no reason to believe that that situation would improve, and facts bear out that is the case, only worse.
Automatic, no choice updates are the proximate cause, since system hosing is just something that goes along with using Windows. The user's only defense is to have control over the update process. I know something is going to break, so I need to do an update at a moment when I have the time to fix it.
My Windows 10 s
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It is remarkable they do as well as they do.
+1 Hilarious shill.
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They've already said this will be the last version they sell - so unless you want to rent your operating system ...
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Do you believe businesses just blindly patch their systems when Microsoft makes a patch available? No. They run unpatched until they've verified that the patch won't screw things up. If they can do it, so can you. Then again, if you were stupid enough to not have blocked the "upgrade" to 10 in the first place, given all the problems, then you're probably also stupid enough not to have a Linux boot dvd or bootable usb key hanging around just in case a patch bricks your system.
Unpatched doesn't automatically
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Just try to do no updates if you are using Windows 10 Home or Pro version (without pulling the network connection obviously)...
Good luck with that...
or you could you know hide the update until they fix that shit! [microsoft.com]
with that wee app you can hide any update that doesn't play well until micrsoshite fix their crap. it used to be built in built now it's not
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Maybe this is a silly question but can't you simply disable the update service / alter tasks in the task scheduler, and/or disable related services that nothing else is likely to use.
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A bit offtopic: yes that show is tragically exploitative.
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Why not just wait? If you don't surf questionable sites, have an up-to-date av program, and everything's working ok, why not just leave well enough alone and let the suckers take the hit? You don't see businesses rushing to update for a reason - and that reason is the topic of this story - it often breaks sh*t.
Come on Barbara, the only place I've received malware on a pc is while going to consumer sites. Can't figure out what's questionable about garage door openers or concrete tips (yup, both of those were spreading malware) or surfing Forbes is a malware vector as well.
As well, you buy a new computer these days - what comes on it? Yup, W10. Windows 10 downloaded without permission on computers, It had microsoft-ese on the popup screens that got people to "accidentally install it. On my W7 install, a blank s
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How does it make it feel though. How does it feel to fight your operating system for functionality, how does it feel to fight your operating system for privacy, how does it feel to fight your operating system for security, how does it feel to fight your operating system to be free of advertising and how does it really feel when you have to fight against the incompetence and corruption of your so called trusted supplier.
Perhaps you should consider doing your level best let the Micro Softies how you feel ab
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Yes, because no one has ever pushed a malicious ad into an ad network and got the ads published on big-name sites. [arstechnica.com]
Everyone knows that AV detection rates are all less than 100%.
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If you don't surf questionable sites, have an up-to-date av program...
Can you recommend a good AV that will protect you against 0-days ?
And as for "questionable sites", how many times in the past few years have you heard of "legit" sites being hacked and serving up malware. I guess even the BBC must count as questionable to you ?
Put the two together and your advice falls over.
Once MS release a patch, it's quickly taken apart to find what holes MS have tried to close, new 0-days emerge to take advantage of people who haven't patched yet.
I agree though, it's a matter of choosin
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Windows 10 IS malware... The tricks MS used to infiltrate it on to everybody's pc that was still running an MS OS, ARE the textbook description of malware distribution methods. Then if you take the fact that EVERYTHING you do on *your* machine is hoovered off to MS, Windows 10 becomes even MORE the textbook description of malware... So glad all of my families systems are on Linux...
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It is absurd to say this when you know many Windows users (Home version) cannot "wait". Stop making excuses for Microsoft's heavy handed, tin-eared, don't give a shit about customers attitude. There is no excuse for them taking all control away from users. If they did their jobs right, no one would even be talking about this, but they botch their updates virtually every time now. When you are batting zero, you should probably consider giving control back to customers so they can actually get work done on th
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Microsoft's behavior definitely could be construed as illegal, especially when they co-opted the red X (close) icon in the top right to instead agree to the EULA and begin the W10 installation, rather than closing the upgrade window. There has to be some law that says you can't misrepresent your EULA acceptance as a "close window" icon. I still don't understand why anyone wanted to trade in their purchased copy of Windows, that they had control over, for a shoddy service with ads that you can't control to
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I agree that it is going to get even more ugly with the "feature set" as MS concludes that the audience is truly captive. They will boil the frog very slowly at first, and turn up the heat as time goes on. It will be interesting to see if any of the frogs ever complain.
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Re:Why does anyone update? (Score:4, Interesting)
Why not just wait?
Because living with security holes is risky.
You don't see businesses rushing to update for a reason
Which is of little comfort to the many millions of people who have their credentials stolen due to poor security practices.
Now admittedly this won't fix everything. If anything it's fixes are minor. But the real solution is to ensure that you can roll out security updates that don't break shit and install without issue. Why is this a problem with Windows and not with Ubuntu? I've never had a security update hose an Ubuntu system or even fail to install.
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It's not 100%, bu
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Living with security holes is something you are going to be doing all the time, whether your system is patched or not
That doesn't mean I need to do it voluntarily for known holes with known solutions. I mean I know I'm very likely to die in a car accident so that doesn't mean I'm going to walk across a big empty field carrying an umbrella during a thunderstorm.
Re: Why does anyone update? (Score:2)
Ha nice try for the non enterprise edition crowd. I had defer updates turned on and still got it!
This is bullshit. Third buggy update since August 1st. Just removed it from my system but MS surface pro 3 I have won't run 8.1. Worse new Zen and Krabylake CPUs won't support anything but 10 either!!
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This. The update went fine on all of my computers that touch the internet or do internety things. Hooray for security patches. But the update failed on one PC that happens to do nothing more than run security cameras and record video. Nobody uses it for surfing or any other work. So the broken update is of no consequence on any PC where it would matter.
ymmv but I'm not losing sleep on it.
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You don't have a choice with Windows 10 home. You can't turn off updates.
Nor do you with W10 pro. The pseudo choice you have with W10 Pro is that you can only delay the Bohica updates for a little while. So it's like your computer gets fucked up a little later.
Re: Why does anyone update? (Score:3)
Actually no. You still get updated 3 times a month. What deferred updates do is put your pc in the previous build channel. So you would an update too for build 1577 instead of anniversary. Same fixes. If you have deferred updates enabled and you already have anniversary edition you are screwed as you will get this update.
Basically it just means you stay on previous build for 3 to 4 months. You still get cumulative updates
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OR do like some of us, who gave up getting fucked by proprietary operating systems quite a while ago, and now only use Linux, and some who are laughing their asses off at all the sheep who still use ANY MS product, and some others who pity those same sheep, who either MUST use MS products OR *think* they have to use MS products.. Protip: You DON'T....
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who either MUST use MS products OR *think* they have to use MS products.. Protip: You DON'T....
I'm as big a Linux fan as anyone, and use it for everything, but I've come around to the realization that some people do have to use Windows. Some of them are given no choice in the workplace. Others have some sort of vertical app or new game that just can't be replicated, won't run on Wine, etc. And there are some who like Windows and simply choose to run it.
I've said this before, however: I think that in many of the cases where people think they have no choice, they actually do, but they don't want to, wo
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Protip: You DON'T....
Protip: I do
I'm running Mint on my desktop and my daughter's laptop but I MUST use Windows on my laptop and so does my wife.
I'm a lawyer (non US) and the best law database program only runs under Windows. My wife (MD) has to use some kind of program which connects to the government databases and you guessed it, the best program only runs under Windows.
Of course we can go for the third or fourth best programs which (mostly) run under Wine, but that would mean loss of functionality for both of us, so why both
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Sure you have a choice. The forced updates require a working internet connection. Disable it in Windows 10, and either boot another version of Windows or another OS off either another partition or an external device (DVD or USB).
I'm tired of the MS Update Shitshow and the Lets-See-What-Happens-Next Extravaganza. I've gone to Linux Mint.
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Yeah. I mean it's just an OS. If you have problems just [insert long winded technical details here] and then you should be all good to use your computer.
This is the shit we mocked Linux about for many years, and now it seems that doing basic things like keeping your computer running is easier on Linux than Windows 10.
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Because it autoinstalls? Two choices: install immediately, or schedule within 24 hours. Clearly it is Trumps fault, and his racist deplorable supporters. Say no to hate: auto-update!
I install it before I log out. Typically, I see this at work, so what I do - when it's time to leave, about half an hour before, I do an update and shutdown
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Your work PC really NEEDS to look like a phone and NEEDS a couple dozen useless "apps".
Retired early for health reasons, you insensitive clod! :-)
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So all those Fortune 1000- businesses and government agencies that refuse to roll out updates the day they come out are ignorant? Also, bullshit on needing to keep up-to-date or lose support for small businesses and their software. Most of the time, it's the other way around - businesses don't fully support a new OS for quite a while (and the old OS is still supported for 10 years from initial release date).
So why not grow up instead of making up shit?
As for businesses stuck on Windows 7 either updating
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Even with wifi on, if you had updates turned off you didn't get hit. I turned them off in January, and only manually updated last week, and totally avoided the Win10 upgrade. It's not like there is a rush. You can still install 10 for free, even after the deadline, even if you never downloaded it or installed it. The deadline was fake, to "encourage" people to do it sooner rather than later.
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Why don't you pay attention for a change? Times have changed. No small business has an excuse not to know how to delay or avoid a fatal update. If the computer is critical to their operations, they should either know how to maintain it or hire someone who does. Same as if they're dependent on a truck to make deliveries - better hire someone who knows how to drive and make sure that routine maintenance is done.
And you're so full of shit about fortune 1000 companies - why do you think that corporate users ha
This is the year. (Score:5, Funny)
It's finally here.
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Amen! AMEN!
Business Considerations (Score:1)
Microsoft SOP (Score:2, Interesting)
It's been Microsoft standard operating procedure for a long time, "we'll do what we want and the hell with customer feedback or anything the customers want". I was honestly amazed that they reversed course on the start button removal in Windows 8, the backlash must have been truly historic.
Re:Microsoft SOP (Score:4, Funny)
you mean kind of like systemd replacing SysVinit? </troll>
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This is what happens when you have a monopoly. They stop having to care to keep the money flowing in.
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Except that, Apple has rolled out OPTIONAL updates for the past 10+ years with only minor hiccups, and they have a rock solid support setup complete with Apple stores and stand by their products 110%.
MS is throwing out shit updates that break 10% of their install base after they know there is an issue with their guinea pigs. This has been their SOP for years, but now that Windows 10 has mandatory updates, they will be driving away hordes of customers. With so much of peoples lives on the computer, it is e
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Except that, Apple has rolled out OPTIONAL updates for the past 10+ years
Tell me more about the OPTIONAL headphone jack.
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This thread is about companies that abuse their users by removing their choices.
Re: Microsoft SOP (Score:2)
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Sure, that was about what I was saying - your option is to switch vendors - to a different asshole who will lock you down to some other bullshit. You have to go pretty far out of the mainstream to reclaim choice.
Blame Microsoft. (Score:2)
Once again I got to waste part of my morning listening to Mother complain that her laptop is broken, and now I know why.
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I use linux on two laptops, one desktop, and two servers.
Mother uses Windows. Changing her from it is not an option. Aside from the weeks of 'where did the thingie go?' calls, her workplace only permits Windows machines to VPN in and access their remote desktop environment.
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It's not a case of being a complete fanatic, but the practical reasons and aspects look pretty good, nowadays. The block
finally, the year of the Linux desktop (Score:2, Interesting)
that's how i feel whenever there's a Linux kernel update. nice to see Microsoft catching up finally!
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Is there a specific reason you're updating your kernel? Those aren't automatic.
You should treat it like PC firmware -- if it's working fine don't replace it until required. If it's not working fine don't update unless the update is supposed to fix your specific issue.
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yes, i refuse them, but ubuntu at least nags you constantly about it.
i'm using ubuntu because my time isn't completely worthless. don't bother telling me to use something else. i tried centos because it's supposed to be more stable, but the installer couldn't even finish booting because (apparently) it uses different disk device identifiers for loading the kernel and for the userspace environment, so it loses the disk and shits itself before even getting into runlevel 3. hilarious...
at this point, i'm serio
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Just go to Mint instead. Cinnamon's interface is similar to older Windows, the software repository is the same, they pretty much recommend you don't update your kernel unless you know what you're doing.
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As the sibling post says: Ubuntu blows goats. Ubuntu nags me constantly to reboot, far more than MS's traditional once-a-month. With Win10, MS finally catches up to Ubuntu's almost-weekly reboots.
(Of course, you can just ignore the Ubuntu nagging, unless your company has a policy requiring you to reboot when nagged.)
Just like the last one (Score:2)
I once said Windows 10 wasn't ready for prime time. I was wrong.
Windows 10 simply does not work, and if you haven't been boned by it, it only means you haven't been boned by it yet.
Since Microsoft is now the leading malware vector, they seriously must allow everyone to turn off their Bohica updates. It's the only way that people can have at least some assurance that their computers will work.
I want a refund... (Score:2)
...nevermind.
Problems (Score:4, Interesting)
Lost network sharing on all updated computers.
Printer automatically uninstalled (had Win10 drivers).
Lost most file associations.
Reboot problems.
Yup, the 1607 update was really great!
Atleast my start menu is a lot messier now.
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Lost network sharing on all updated computers.
Printer automatically uninstalled (had Win10 drivers).
Lost most file associations.
Reboot problems.
Yup, the 1607 update was really great!
Atleast my start menu is a lot messier now.
I was a few revisions behind on my Win 10 Pro so I've missed all of the fun until now.
I was on 1511.494 and the 1511 patches refused to install. Spent Thursday "fixing" it. The problem turned out to be MSSQL services need to be disabled during the update and the driver for my Audigy 2ZS would cause an IRQ bluescreen during install. Both of these were blocking upgrades. I installed 1607 at the same time as patch 4496 had just been released.
The upgrade itself went fine, no problems on reboot.
- No problems
Re: Problems (Score:2)
That's the problem.
What is odd is my support buddies who do small business get weird tickets for all pcs with same hardware and software stack every 3 weeks when an update hits. Stuff like 6 out of 25 pcs looped rebooting for 6 hours while others worked fine?!
The problem is they are losing customers and one wants to sue! Basically all the computers with XP worked fine before YOU came and cost us $5000 in lost business! They are now viewed as incompetent all thanks to Windows 10.
True XP doesn't have these pr
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Maybe they should recommend that their customers migrate to systems that are more in their control. The one who wants to sue would hurt MS a lot more if he was able to move customers to Linux. And while there would be short term costs, the long term costs (especially in TCO) would proba
Question for Windows 10 people: (Score:2)
Are you enjoying being a perpetual beta tester?
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Oh no, my glass house! What have you monsters done?!
It is worse than the article amits (Score:4, Informative)
When this first hit the insider forums on the 28th there were quite widespread complaints and they were acknowledge by Microsoft people in the forum. It's not just a lack of quality control, the quality control is being done but no one cares anymore. Despite Microsoft reps asking for installation logs files from the many people who were reporting problems they released it anyway.
I mean this is just getting stupider and stupider.
Re: It is worse than the article amits (Score:2)
Agree. I read 70% somewhere when it was in insider still!
What were they thinking? Does it really absolutely have to be released for a deadline?! No MS this is not XP here to say stop. MS is terrifyed that win 7 is going to be the XP but what they do not realize is they are causing this.
MS needs to unbranched fixes so they can take out one buggy thing and add code that works to fix the others .... Please for the love of God test internally again with real hardware and VMS
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It's never been this bad. The thing is there's a lot of people who get the update first. The insider program had this update 4 days ago. They complained in droves that the update was causing problems. This normally gets something withheld, after all the insider program is the beta testing program. But in this case they pushed through with the update despite knowing that it's caused major grief for a lot of users.
Good job getting rid of QA, Microsoft (Score:2)
Ever since you did, you have been blowing something up almost monthly with your updates.
Just downgraded to 8.1. Linux? (Score:2)
I went from anti MS zealot in 1998 to pro Freebsd to then pro MS by the time of Windows 7 ... To maybe back around.
This is the first time in a long time that I am highly discouraging business use of MS. I know on slashdot this is a no duh moment, but for the rest of us used to MS Office, Active Directory, and things just working, this is big news.
I agree with Hairyfeet that Linux historically has broken more with updates than Windows due to shit never changing in Windows and a strong abi that Linux lacks wh
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Re: Just downgraded to 8.1. Linux? (Score:2)
It looks like I would have to stick with Intel graphics on the host and buy a new CPU. My i7 4770k supports vt-x but not vt-d for I/0 virtualization needed for the GPU
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I likewise have a 4770K and am deeply annoyed that Intel's asinine product segmentation left the supposed top-of-the-line processor with a valuable feature missing.
Swapping in a 4790K would give us VT-d but the prices on them are still too high for me to bother with this yet.
Re: Just downgraded to 8.1. Linux? (Score:2)
Dude it is an old now almost 3years old and soon to be 3 generations behind with Kaby Lake. Why is it still $325 wtf?
I am guessing XP and 7 loyalists are bringing prices up? It makes no sense as you can get a new CPU for around same price.
But both Hyper-V and VMware workstation and even vsphere run fine without iommu with the regular VT/X or vt-v instructions so I blame KMS.
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Superfluous word in summary (Score:2)
it feels like every time you run Windows update you are rolling the dice
Trumped (Score:2)
Lol, oh suuuuuure (Score:2)
"But, until the company can get a handle on their quality control issues..."
So we're talking sometime in late 2055 or thereabouts?
Third party update software (Score:2)
Microsoft doing something stupid? (Score:2)
Linux users, stop complaining about systemd (Score:2)
At least you're not using Windows 10!!
crap update anyway (Score:2)
Stable branch (Score:2)
I really wish they had a "Stable" branch, The last updated literally killed my use of IE & Edge, both of which grew a "this web page has stopped responding" dialog that pops up and results in the tab being reloaded, which of course just pops the dialog box back up in 2 seconds or whatever the timeout is.
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Windows should use a "Stable~~Experimental" system.
They have one. They actually have 5 tiers. 2 tiers of Insiders, standard, update-deferred and enterprise. The problem is they didn't listen to any feedback from the Insiders and pushed this out to everyone despite the major complaints.