Windows 10 Gains 14% Desktop Market Share in 2016, Edge Continues to Struggle (petri.com) 280
From a report by long time Microsoft watcher Brad Sams on Petri.com: With 2016 now behind us, we can take a look at how far Windows 10 has come thanks to usage-share with statistics from Net Marketshare. At the end of December for 2016, Windows 10 is installed on roughly 24.5% of devices whereas, at the end of 2015, the OS was only installed on around 10% of machines. During the same period, Windows 7 declined from 55.68% to 48.34%, Windows 8.1 usage dropped from 10.3% to 6.9% and XP dropped slightly from 11% to about 9%. Also, released alongside Windows 10, is the company's new browser, Edge. While the market share of the desktop OS has grown steadily, Edge has not performed as well. At the end of 2015, Edge obtained a market share of 2.79% and at the end of 2016, it has climbed to 5.33%. But, Chrome, which had a market share of 32.33% at the end of 2015 now commands 56.43% of the market. During the same period, Internet Explorer dropped from 46.32% in 2015 to 20.84% in 2016.
So what? (Score:3, Insightful)
The only reason they can show higher adoption numbers is because they FORCED it on people.
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Got the uptime up to 3-5 days by realizing I could restart Windows Explorer when it crashed, which it does 1-2 days in.
Win10 is the buggiest, most unreliable PoS I've run in decades.
Did I mention I "upgraded" from Win 8.1 to 10 because I was installing something, and Microsoft took that millisecond to put up the "Pssst. Hey bud, wanna up
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Linux user here. I have Win10 installed on a tablet and also on a full-time, always-running virtual machine. Seems pretty stable and solid to me. I don't like how settings are dumbed down, and I'm not a fan of constant communication with MS (I have everything turned off that I can). Overall I am much more impressed with Windows 10 than I thought I would be. It's pretty solid, if ugly (hate the flat, white look).
No idea what you are talking about with having to use html formatting. CR twice to start a
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Time between reboots has so much to do with what is installed and running - my clean Win10 machines only reboot when updates make them do it - and I use them to do programming and browse the web extensively. My home Win10 machine with special touchscreen drivers that runs various 3D CAD packages in addition to heavier animation (kids education) web browsing seems to benefit from a reboot about once per 20 hours of work, if it's just sitting there doing basically nothing, it doesn't need to be rebooted, eit
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Rebooted my Linux home server the other day, it was up for 475 days and went through multiple updates in that time. Only rebooted it to install a new kernel. This is typical, actually. Linux desktop machine uptimes are usually months, laptops are only rebooted if they run out of power.
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You have been not just lucky but also helped by the very conservative choice of hardware that is emulated by virtual machines.
The device drivers all work for you.
For other people on real hardware, sometimes not so well at the moment.
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My windows 10 install is up for weeks at a time. It's even a clean install. It was a upgrade from 7 to 10 and its been rock solid. I imagine you are running on crappy hardware.
Oh and why the fuck do you have to put html code in here? It's because that is the way it is, deal with it.
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My windows 10 install is up for weeks at a time.
So what do you do if you have processes that must live longer than "for[sic] weeks"? I remember participating in a forum discussion where someone mentioned having to keep information for incomplete orders in an open program on a PC connected to a UPS. The information provided by a customer couldn't be written to disk for legal reasons, as the orders were for something tightly regulated such as insurance. Nor could it be discarded for marketing reasons, as the customer expected to be able to pick up where he
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MS Win7 or MS "server".
It is a server OS but now nerfed (Score:2)
Maybe if you're going to do things that belong on a server you should run a server operating system rather than desktop? Like Windows Server or, better yet, Linux?
Win2k and Windows XP were Microsoft's answer to that, giving people a server operating system based on NT instead of a relative toy like Win98/ME. MS Windows 10 has gone back to the approach of a toy that just happens to be built on what used to be a server operating system.
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Use Linux.
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So no, it's not a clean install. It's also not a desired install.
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Did you not take the opportunitty to roll back? You had 30 days to back up your files, locate software discs, roll it back, and then format and re-install if the rollback didn't work.
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It might be just you doing something wrong
It takes courage to say that.
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I don't have any Win 10 machines, real or virtual. Would someone please try this and let us all know if it works:
Go to Task Scheduler, and schedule this to run every 30 seconds:
shutdown /a
This command aborts a scheduled shutdown, and returns an error if there's no scheduled shutdown. You might need to give it elevated privileges.
Re:So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
That is basically what the numbers say. The 15% increase means these are mostly replacement PCs and laptops, and people likely cannot get Windows 7 for them easily or transfer it form their old machine.
Personally, I will not move to Win 10 before I can block updates indefinitely and I can turn off spying ("telemetry") reliably. If that does not happen, then I will go to one gaming-only Win10 machine, no email, no browsing, no non-gaming uses at all, and a Win7 VM for Office with no network connection on a Linux basis. Everything else will be Linux, which I use for a lot of work already anyways.
Re:So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
That is basically what the numbers say. The 15% increase means these are mostly replacement PCs and laptops, and people likely cannot get Windows 7 for them easily or transfer it form their old machine.
I think it's more likely that 15% was gained during the most egregious cases of Microsoft pushing it really hard on windows 7 users (i.e., clicking the red X doesn't cancel the upgrade, or outright removing the red X) and doing other dirty tricks that are quite mean to their customers, like upgrading without any prompt at all and then you can't cancel until 10 is already installed and running where it shows you an EULA, then after you refuse the EULA it downgrades back to 7. Each operation is quite dangerous for the typical PC user because when things go wrong, (and they do) they usually can't fix it, or even be able to google a fix. But, Microsoft doesn't see a problem with that, as it went on all throughout the first half of the year. After that was over, the quarterly gains Windows 10 saw were very tiny, usually 0.5% +/- 0.15%
It will probably take two years or so before 10 sees a 30% market share, it will likely be until 2020 that it sees 7s current market share.
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Why game in W10? Just play in older Windows versions, Linux, Mac OS, etc.
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That is basically what the numbers say. The 15% increase means these are mostly replacement PCs and laptops, and people likely cannot get Windows 7 for them easily or transfer it form their old machine.
But that is standard practice and has nothing to do with the level of turdness of the OS. I don't know of anyone who upgraded an OS, except for a few people who found Vista so poor that they welcomed Windows 7 on to a pre-existing machine.
New OS comes with new PCs. New PC rates are slowing down so it stands to reason that figures are poor. The vast majority of people don't know Windows 10 is a turd and so are ambivalent about the "upgrade".
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Internet Explorer quit starting up on my IT dept. maintained laptop - that will kill your usage statistics in a hurry, if the program stops functioning on mass maintained fleets of PCs. Chrome works just fine there, even though it is not supported and IE is.
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OS400 for the win!
Or IBM i, or whatever they call it these days.
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And all the "help" icons in the corner, instead of opening up a proper help application with info on the current page, simply open up Edge with a Bing search for "Windows 10 help". That made me LOL.
Turd of an OS .. (Score:2)
You could say for example that the number of people that couldn't take it anymore and slit their wrists is up 14% this year over last.
Or perhaps the number of people that jumped in front of the train after Windows 10 self installs and then crashes your HDD and deletes all digital memories of their poor deceased mother is on the rise.
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But is Edge optional, or the default choice? If it is the default choice, how sure are you that people who use Edge have chosen to use Edge? And how sure are you that they just didn't take what was on the system because they don't know how to install another browser or simply don't care to install another browser?
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I only use Edge to log into Microsoft services
You're lucky. Half the Microsoft services I log into won't render properly on Edge. They may have been fixed recently, but I've already moved on to browsers that work.
Re:Compared to Firefox, Edge is doing great. (Score:5, Insightful)
And when someone wakes up to find Windows 10 installed over their Windows 7/8/8.1 setup, doesn't that mean that their previous Firefox/Chrome default has now been changed...against their will? So most of this market share "gain" is really an attack, disruption or theft.
Re: "that I'm aware of" (Score:3)
"Where is the evidence for your claim? My experience with my Windows 7 -> Windows 10 upgrade was such that there was a nagware screen from the system tray that afforded me the option to upgrade or not upgrade."
Really, you didn't see all the stories about complaints from users whose Windows 7 devices can't run Windows 10 adequately and got upgraded without ever actively opting in, or in some cases without any notification except being greeted with a Windows 10 login screen, or worse.
Here is an example art
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But Firefox increased is market share (Score:4, Informative)
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People are not all the same.
Would help if Edge actually worked (Score:5, Interesting)
I've just moved to Windows 10 for work and and Edge just doesn't run on my machine. It opens and then closes straight away. Googling the problem has shown it appears to be affecting a reasonable number of users. I can't be bothered to spend more than an hour trying to fix it.
Re:Would help if Edge actually worked (Score:5, Funny)
I can't be bothered to spend more than an hour trying to fix it.
Neither can Microsoft, since they let their QA department go. /rimshot
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The outsourced QA. That's what the telemetry is for - why run it in their office and pay people to shake the bugs out, when they can run it on your computer and will you find all the bugs for free?
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more than an hour
Wow you would spend up to an hour trying to make a Microsoft Webbrowser work? What mental institution did you break out from? Can't you just download the Chrome installer on another machine and transfer it via USB stick?
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Surely this cannot be seen as a success, even by the rose-coloured glasses that Microsoft PR usually looks through.
It is a colossal failure.
What percentage? (Score:4, Interesting)
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I realised something a few months ago that I think a lot of people haven't picked up on yet:
Nadella's Microsoft isn't really about Windows and Office any more.
Sure, they'll take the money and make a few billion on those, but his vision really is almost completely detached from Microsoft's historical desktop strongholds. That's why, despite plenty of us being skeptical about how well they'd do with Windows 10 following on from Windows 8 and Office not really doing much different to ten years ago, they're act
Re:What percentage? (Score:5, Insightful)
...Nadella's Microsoft isn't really about Windows and Office any more....
I would agree. With a caveat.
It's not about Windows anymore. But Office may still be in the picture.
Office is the stranglehold that Microsoft has on its corporate victims. The future of Microsoft is Azure, but Microsoft needs to keep Office around to force its customers to stay with Azure instead of another cloud provider.
If Microsoft can lure customers to Azure without the lock-in of Office, then maybe a Windows-less Microsoft has a reason to be profitable in the future.
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I hear so much talk about the future of Microsoft being Azure, it also kind of seems like the future of electricity generation being fusion. The march continues to the goal line but he goal line keeps moving, leaving you closer but no nearer.
VM workloads are still fantastically expensive on Azure and nobody seems really interested in database as a service functionality due to the immense lock-in. Network bandwidth from most buildings is just too expensive to get the throughput necessary to offsite signifi
Re:What percentage? (Score:4, Insightful)
We've been telling people for decades that Microsoft cannot be trusted
They took it to a whole 'nother level with Windows 10 fuckery. Honestly, while Microsoft has always been ruthless against competitors, they generally used to treat their customers with at least some modicum of respect.
Things started going downhill as the computing landscape opened up to more aggressive tactics driven by software that treated their users as the product.
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Look at the market share trends for the first half of 2016 when it was still a free upgrade for many users, and then for the second half when it wasn't.
Re:So... after a year of ... (Score:4, Insightful)
...seriously...
Seriously... when Microsoft has to change the fundamental operations of Windows UI controls, going against [thurrott.com] the published guidelines of how those controls should work, the users are not "too fucking stupid" when they expect Windows controls to operate as they always have operated.
From the linked article:
...Last week, Microsoft silently changed Get Windows 10 yet again. And this time, it has gone beyond the social engineering scheme that has been fooling people into inadvertently upgrading to Windows 10 for months. This time, it actually changed the behavior of the window that appears so that if you click the “Close” window box, you are actually agreeing to the upgrade. Without you knowing what just happened....
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Chrome works (Score:5, Funny)
Me: Does it work in Chrome?
Them: Yes.
Me: Wanna spend 8-16 hours of your life figuring out which of the 800+ settings it could be that's breaking IE?
Them: No.
Me: Use Chrome.
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It's all relative. If you don't have anything critical on your computer then why lock it down? I have a cdrom based os I use for banking. I boot from it, do my business and shutdown and reboot the computer to my playtime system. I'm not going to build a fucking fortress unless I have a reason to.
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So you don't give a shit what people think because they're insignificant. Well guess what, nobody cares about your stuff either. You could print it out and leave it at the reception desk of Microsoft or Google and at best they would say a polite thank you before dumping it in the recycle bin.
The only value you have for those corporations is as a contributor to their metrics so they can fine-tune their ad campaigns, and it has to occur within the parameters of their system. You personally are meaningless to
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Sorry, but you are a fucking moron and a waste of life. Go die in a fire.
Go die in a fire? What are you, a petulant teenage girl?
What I'm trying to explain to you is that individually you are of no concern to any of those corporations, all they want is some stats so they can tune their ad campaigns. Just from the way you express yourself it's obvious that you have no secret worth harvesting anyways so pipe down with the lame privacy defender impression, nobody is trying to look at your bad Hunger Games fan fiction.
Never gonna give you up (to a point) (Score:3)
why feed the troll? i mean really....
I have seen ugly flame wars turn into really interesting discussions, and while it's the exception rather than the norm, it just cannot happen if one gives up on trolls too quickly. Things can turn nasty because some people are unable to manage their emotions, not just because they're being mischievous, so it doesn't always mean there's nothing worth discussing under the layer of childish insults.
When the discussion becomes only empty insults then it's a dead end, but as long as there's something to address
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If you valued privacy, you wouldn't be using Windows 10 at all.
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Electrolysis makes Firefox responsive again (Score:2)
The high use of Chrome was triggered by issues with Firefox (which I think have been well managed by now).
I consider Firefox's issues managed as of Firefox 51, which brings the first round of Electrolysis to most users so that scrolling and tab switching aren't quite as affected by inefficient ad serving scripts.
(Unlike Firefox 50, which uses a whitelist of e10s-compatible extensions, Firefox 51 uses a blacklist of incompatible extensions. The "Ubuntu Firefox Modifications" extension that ships with the Xubuntu operating system is on neither list. So to get e10s, I have to join the beta channel by enabling the
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Try uMatrix as an alternative to noscript. Same author as uBlock. Note that it may be a little overwhelming at first.
Edge is a POS (Score:5, Informative)
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It sounds like the fucktard is the person that designed the UI. Since you yelped did he hit you with that rock?
I want to believe (Score:4, Funny)
I want to believe MS has competent design managers working for them. Maybe they are being micromanaged to the point of irrelevance, but I want to believe that after 20 years of trying to make a decent web browser they'd achieve success...or lacking that, they'd fail because some idiot manager keeps fucking them up.
Because damn...I'm embarrassed FOR them. How do you not put out at least a baseline capable browser by this point? Multi-billion dollar company who's spent 20+ years in the market, and they still fuck it up.
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Maybe they are being micromanaged to the point of irrelevance, but I want to believe that after 20 years of trying to make a decent web browser they'd achieve success...or lacking that, they'd fail because some idiot manager keeps fucking them up.
Apply that same thought pattern to the crap that is the latest version of Firefox...
Re:I want to believe (Score:4, Insightful)
Firefox is still usable. I don't care for a lot of the changes but I still find myself having to shift back from Chrome occasionally. I looked at Edge on a Win10 setup and I figure I'd have to install Chrome and Firefox if I had Win10.
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Edge is a great example of how not to develop software. You can see very clearly what has happened.
Under the hood it's actually quite good, does well with standards compliance, is reasonably secure and fast. On top of that the UX people built something that ranges from mediocre to annoying, with the most touted features being little more than gimmicks. Then management really screwed it up, ticking boxes like "had sync capability" without bothering to check if it's actually useful to most people, and demandi
My Xmas present to my parents - Win10 gone (Score:2)
The utterly braindead MS Windows 10 installer decided to run itself on an i3 machine with 2GB of memory. That made the machine totally unusable despite Firefox and Skype being the only programs used.
Changing it to MS Win7 gave it a usable interface that doesn't change or put ads in your face. Putting in 8GB of memory did the rest.
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I find Windows 7 works great with 4 gigs of ram. At least it does in Virtualbox. :)
Downgrading to Windows 7 (Score:5, Interesting)
Downgrading to Windows 7 was the best thing I have done to my desktop.
Windows 10, even a year after its original release, had signs of being a beta product at best. One problem I have been struggling with was the machine's CPU eventually constantly at 30-40% use with no obvious causes. I have tried all of the half-baked canned answers from Microsoft, including disabling/enabling/changing AV, disabling Microsoft services, and even wiping out and reinstalling the OS.
The next issue is with the updater. This damned thing simply eventually stops working. It shows there are pending updates, starts the downloads, but then sits at 0%. I have tried every canned answer provided on the Microsoft forums, including resetting the update components and wiping and reinstalling the OS.
And finally, I am not fine at all with an OS that decides to reboot the machine whenever it likes. It's downright dangerous to leave any work open. I have been caught off guard by reboots a few times.
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And finally, I am not fine at all with an OS that decides to reboot the machine whenever it likes. It's downright dangerous to leave any work open. I have been caught off guard by reboots a few times.
Your computer is just practicing radical freedom. [existentialcomics.com]
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Because it's not designed that way. It's a feature that was not considered important.
Maybe MS Win11 or whatever number they choose next will have better ways to deal with file locking and library versioning to bring it up to date with what *nix and VMS had before WinNT ever existed, but for now it doesn't have that.
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I'm so conflicted about your post. On the one side you look like a shill, (someone on Slashdot wants Windows Update to work? Nice try!), but on the other side you're not promoting the product.
I'm so confused.
Re:Downgrading to Windows 7 (Score:5, Insightful)
Haha... there's always some asshole that can't resist blaming the user. If the task manager can't tell you which process is using all that CPU time, I'm pretty sure that's a deficiency in the design of the OS. What do you do when the Windows Modules Installer (ie, TrustedInstaller) is using all that CPU time? Blame Realtek, apparently.
Next you'll insist that if WindowsUpdate uses up 100% time on one of your cores for 30+ hours, that's user error as well! That, despite this being a VERY well known problem for many years and the only solution is to manually hunt for and install the "right" KB update to update the Windows catalog file. Which KB update? Who knows? It changes every few weeks or so, so go to the MS forums and ask everyone else what magic patch to install.
One of my biggest problems with Windows10 is that its behavior, particularly with regards to background maintenance, is wildly inconsistent. Sometimes it'll idle for a day without using any CPU time at all, and then it thrashes the CPU and storage drive like crazy for the next 10 hours. Despite Microsoft's claim that Win10 only performs background maintenance when your machine is at idle, my experience has proven that's total bullshit. The OS does what it wants, and being a black box by design, go ahead and tell me what the machine is doing with that 10 hours of CPU time.
Then there's the lovely fact that configuration settings can just change for arbitrary reasons. If you defer updates too many times, the OS will lock out the config setting that lets you defer updates. Yes, it will literally just grey the UI out so you can't change it anymore. With so many hidden gotchas going on in the background trying to protect you from yourself (or prevent you from having any control over your PC), I'd image this makes Win10 practically untestable. How do you diagnose a system that just changes its own configuration willy-nilly? No wonder it's buggy as fuck and settings just reset to the defaults after certain updates (but only for some people and not others). The only way to diagnose a problem is to reinstall and cross your fingers.
MS built an OS where you don't know what's going on. Clearly, that's why you know it's always user error, and not bad design, that's the problem.
Edge (Score:2)
No Group Policy Editor on Windows Home (Score:2)
Open Group Policy Editor (Press Windows Key and type gpedit.msc and hit Enter.
Last time I tried gpedit.msc on a home edition of Windows, I got an error message to the effect "not found". So it appears users who want to access files with long names would have to either pay to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro or pirate the Group Policy Editor snap-in. What am I missing?
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Using longer paths may cause buffer overflows in programs not written to expect longer paths.
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Parent said Win32, not 32 bit. Win32 is another name for the Windows API and doesn't imply any specific bitness any more.
In my (unasked) opinion, Windows 10 is better than Windows 8.1. Most things are!
Windows share in 2015 was 11.7 % (Score:2)
and had declined for 4 years. Everything points towards continued decline for Windows sales for 2016. So 2016 will probably be fifth year with declining sales for Windows.
As for Windows - they stopped selling Windows 7 and 8 in 2016 so well of course Windows 10 will continue to increase. Customer can't get anything else in the future.
Android had 54% in 2015. So looks like mobile is the way to go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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As for Windows - they stopped selling Windows 7 and 8 in 2016 so well of course Windows 10 will continue to increase. Customer can't get anything else in the future.
GNU/Linux is still available for desktop PCs, as is macOS for PCs made by Apple.
Android had 54% in 2015. So looks like mobile is the way to go.
Say I want to retire a luddite PC and use apps to app apps. How practical is it to use AIDE or another tool on an Android tablet for developing Android apps?
The rush for DirectX 12? (Score:3)
As for browsers, support for blocking all ads and related malware is a trending feature.
Let's see (Score:2)
Windows 10 users (Score:2)
Whenever I here of W10 market share improvements, especially with people who rave about it. I just think, go ahead sheeple and get pwned by Microsoft, so long as *I* keep being able to use alternatives.. don't care if they get 95% market share with it.
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It does sound like the kind of browser that a sonic OC artist would use.
X-UA-Compatible: IE=edge (Score:3)
I was under the impression that the name "Edge" came from <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> used to disable legacy document mode in Internet Explorer [microsoft.com].
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It's just an incredibly stupid and embarrassingly dated name to use. Microsoft is always about 10 years late on everything and when they try to be "hip", they just expose what huge dorks and losers they are.
So what name for a browser do you think they would be allowed to use? Of all the dumb and annoying things that Microsoft has done, choosing the name Edge is not one of them. I think that this is a case of wanting to find fault in absolutely everything that Microsoft does whether they deserve it or not.
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We have a fucking music artist called "The Weekend" and another called "Lady Gaga." Edge seems to be in time since fucking stupid is up to date.
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Assuming that you are the same AC that posted before, you are the only one who thinks that a name has to be cool or hip. I certainly never said that Edge was a cool name.
Edge is just a name. Just like Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, Safari, K-Meleon, Mosaic, Lynx, Epiphany, SeaMonkey, Konqueror and all the fifty million other browsers out there. Netscape Navigator is probably the only one (other than Internet Explorer) that tries to describe what it does in the name. But that's another old name that is no
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Microsoft was trying for hip, gritty and edgy, but "Edge" is just cheesy and anachronistic.
You have also never proven that Microsoft was actually attempting to be hip, gritty and edgy. You just keep asserting the claim over and over again. So what does Edge mean? Microsoft VP Joe Belfiore said during his Build 2015 keynote [gizmodo.com]:
So there you go. That wanted to move away from IE's reputation of not supporting modern standards so they chose
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"The Edge: The beer, beer-drinkers drink when they're not drunk."
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Edge has extensions now, one of which is adblocking. Well, maybe more than one. But I didn't see a need to install more than one.
I use Vivaldi on my desktop, but I use Edge on my Windows tablet, because it comes closest to having a good touch UI of all the browsers.
Chrome and Firefox removed their touch UIs. Irksome.
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Of course Edge is struggling, its not yet got a good plugin system, and by extension no decent ad blocker yet.
Actually, it does have extensions [microsoft.com], albeit just a tiny selection (although it does include Adblock Plus). That said, even going to a page without ads I still find Edge to be an appallingly slow browser. I just can't stand to use it. It is slow to load, slow to open even simply web pages, and it lacks basic features that every single desktop browser has like F11 to enter full screen mode. (Didn't that start on Internet Explorer?)
If I ever have to open something in a browser that isn't one of the other three t
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Ah I see, so it isn't the shitty substandard browsers that Microsoft distributes with their newest OS, somehow it's users' faults.
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praising ubuntu and all its back door bullshit shovling all your searches direct to amazon
Since 16.04 LTS, switched off by default. Please try and keep up.
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the real world doesn't work on PHP and MYSQL, just a bunch of junky ass troll sites
Is Wikipedia such a "junky ass troll site"?
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back door bullshit shovling all your searches direct to amazon
I solved that in December 2011: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
Then five years later when it came time for a clean reinstall for various reasons, I went with Xubuntu 16.04 LTS.