5G Internet is the 'Beginning of the Fourth Industrial Revolution' (cnbc.com) 142
Next-generation 5G mobile internet technology marks the beginning of the "fourth industrial revolution," the chief executive of Turkey's leading telecoms player told CNBC on Thursday. From a report: 5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market. Kaan Terzioglu, the chief executive of Turkcell, which has a market capitalization of $23 billion, touted the potential of the technology, saying that while 4G revolutionized the consumer market, 5G could transform the industrial space. "I think this is the beginning of the fourth generation of the industrial revolution. This will be the platform linking billions of devices together," Terzioglu told CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Turkcell has been working on 5G technologies since 2013 and this week completed a test in partnership with Ericsson, using the next-generation internet.
*Up to* mumble-mumble bps (Score:5, Insightful)
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I think for most of us. Currently Mobile Speed isn't an issue, but the price for the connections.
Cell Phones kicked off when their prices became competitive and often cheaper to Lan connections. When they came with "Free" long distance and no roaming charges.
Data rates are still too high for me to cut the Internet Cord, not necessarily bandwidth.
I would actually welcome a Day where I could just tether my Phone and use my Internet Account wherever I go.
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Agreed. Mobile data is overpriced and overrated. I get along just fine with wifi the few times that I need to do something on my phone instead of a computer. Nevermind that phones and tablets are designed for people to consume advertisements with and not to get work done. Getting work done means getting input to the device and not just passively viewing information coming out of the device.
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but the price for the connections
That right there.
I worked in the early IoT stuff with carriers. The VPs honestly did not know why people would not want to pay them 40 to 60 dollars for 10 MB of data a month plus minute and 15-45 cent per text charges per device. They could not figure out why their IoT dreams were not taking off.
Right now my LTE phone is plenty fast for the sort of thing I use the internet for. They just want to charge me 10x what I pay for landline sort of internet for the same speed.
Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps (Score:5, Informative)
You know what I want? I want to only pay for internet access ONCE. I want to have ONE subscription to THE internet and use it via mobile or at home with my PC. I don't want to pay ATT or Verizon or Sprint for my phone and then pay Comcast or some other ISP for my home internet.
Of course, I can do this now with a cellular contract, I can have mobile data and get one of those cellular based access points. But it's impractical due to usage limits and almost no-one does this because the minute you turn on Netflix you just went over your pathetic monthly morsel of bandwidth.
I dream of some future day when we all just pay for internet one time per month.
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Thanks to the limits of physically available bandwidth, the bandwidth appetites of consumers for HD, 4K, 8K, 16K! streaming video and the ever-increasing population density of cities, your dream will always be just that: a dream. We will never satisfy all bandwidth appetites in dense urban areas with a ubiquitous, robust, single wireless solution that also works out in the boonies.
Just settle in and prepare for a confederation of wired, satellite, long distance wireless, cellular wireless, in room high fre
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Thanks to the limits of physically available bandwidth, the bandwidth appetites of consumers for HD, 4K, 8K, 16K! streaming video and the ever-increasing population density of cities, your dream will always be just that: a dream. We will never satisfy all bandwidth appetites in dense urban areas with a ubiquitous, robust, single wireless solution that also works out in the boonies.
Just settle in and prepare for a confederation of wired, satellite, long distance wireless, cellular wireless, in room high frequency wireless, and other connectivity options all pushed by competing vendors (and, as compared to the telcom monopolies of old, I'd say that's a good, or at least preferable, thing.)
What if the burden of high data capacity for at-home HD streaming didn't fall on the mobile wifi infrastructure? What if there was a wired/wireless solution from one vendor?
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What if the burden of high data capacity for at-home HD streaming didn't fall on the mobile wifi infrastructure? What if there was a wired/wireless solution from one vendor?
See: AT&T business plan, global domination chapter.
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they will once verizon completes the acquisition. less choices, thats what we want.
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I want to have ONE subscription to THE internet
Monopolistic buyouts will someday make this "dream" a reality. You pay for connectivity, not for a subscription to "the Internet" as if it's some sort of monolithic service.
If you want a big wired pipe, it's better for pricing and for it to be a competitor to cellular providers.
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I want to have ONE subscription to THE internet
Monopolistic buyouts will someday make this "dream" a reality. You pay for connectivity, not for a subscription to "the Internet" as if it's some sort of monolithic service.
If you want a big wired pipe, it's better for pricing and for it to be a competitor to cellular providers.
I definitely see your point, monopolies are not desired. But, you're assuming there won't be competition between the home&mobile internet providers.
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Not if they're the same company (as it seemed like you were asking for)
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Not if they're the same company (as it seemed like you were asking for)
You're right, if the home/mobile internet source are the same company and there is only one company doing that then it would be a monopoly. But if there is more than one company offering a one-source ISP solution then that is not a monopoly.
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Where can we get those for mobile smartphones? :P
Even hardwired cables have up to max speeds. :(
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IoT is already here. (Score:3)
IoT is already here without 5G. 5G being here or not will have no impact on the technology. Besides, in countries like the US where data plans are so ridiculously high, you're not going to pay 5G rates to keep your toaster connected to the internet.
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I would like to see a reliable and true 'hard' off switch for the internet on my new TV, fridge, toaster etc to prevent it from being turned into a spam box or suchlike.
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That's why the article's talking about 5G AND IoT - so that the average consumer has absolutely no control over how their toaster or fridge or light-bulb connects to the internet, no ability to change IP address or routes, no LAN or WiFI DHCP server to configure, and no ability to turn it off.
With a 5G modem built in to the device, it'll be always-on, always spying.
Amazon did it with Kindle & built-in 3G modem years ago, so that people could buy and download books from Amazon. They made bulk deals wher
Re:IoT is already here. (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds more likely to be the Beginning of End of the Internet As We Know It than the "fourth industrial revolution."
Re:IoT is already here. (Score:5, Insightful)
I want a "hard" off switch, and I want it where the device does not need access to the Internet. I've read in previous /. articles about some thermostats automatically turning off in 14 days if they don't have constant Internet access.
Realistically, I just don't want IoT functionality, period. There is nothing it gives me that I don't have already. My TV displays whatever is on the other on the HDMI cable; no more. My fridge keeps my beer cold; no more. If I wanted to pay a lot of money for a refrigerator, I'd buy a fridge that uses both natural gas and electricity so a blackout while I am gone doesn't mean fouled food when I return. I am not paying money for a fridge that can turn into a botnet client or a potential hazard if some hacker decides to turn it off while I am gone in hopes of causing food poisoning.
If IoT is a question, then "NO" is the answer.
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One thing I wonder - why not make these things a part of an Intranet of Things? In other words, you can have a home router NOT connected to the internet, but connected to your fridge or TV or oven, and all w/ just non-routable addresses. Maybe have your iPhone or iPad connected to it as well, so that sitting on your sofa, you can turn your oven on or off, and monitor its temperature and maybe whether the pork chops are done or not. Or from a barcode reader in your fridge, scan whether the beer case is em
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This is how it -should- be. IoT devices should yak to each other via Bluetooth, or if they need to go out to the WAN, via hardened hub or hubs with some type of profile limiting the machines they can communicate with.
However, there are two profit driven motives why something like Z-wave isn't used: The first is that sucking as much data as possible down is profitable. Analytics, telemetry, "anonymized" profile data... regardless, the IoT maker makes cash for everything the device can discern about the bu
Re:IoT is already here. (Score:4, Insightful)
why not make these things a part of an Intranet of Things
This is what I want. In an Internet outage, there's no reason my smartphone shouldn't be able to control a smart thermostat. Better still, this makes it more likely that there will be a way to make arbitrary connections to these devices from a home server and custom scripts. A lot of my home actually operates this way - I use an Amazon Dash button for my doorbell (ARP sniffing), my Asterisk caller ID shows up on my MythTV screen using contact photos from an offline cache of my Google Contacts. Just a few scripts as glue and I can do just about anything with devices that are made to be good citizens among arbitrary tech - it's why protocols were invented.
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,There is nothing it gives me that I don't have already.
Then you don't understand IoT.
Re:IoT is already here. (Score:5, Insightful)
For now we can... However, things change. For example, finding a vehicle that does not phone home 24/7 is a challenge. Right now IoT devices are an option, but with the fact that companies can make more money from the data stream coming from the device than the device itself, there is a good chance that the "option" part will disappear. We saw that with consoles which require a constant connection to function. We see this with Windows 10 and its telemetry gathering. IoT is often about dumping as much data as possible to a server, just because that data can be sold to someone, and because of shrink-wrapped EULAs, just by putting in an IoT++ light bulb into a socket, the user agreed to 24/7 monitoring.
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Sadly, no, you cannot buy a decent full sized refrigerator anymore without it containing some (expensive to replace) microprocessor control "brain" - they're not all connected to the network, yet, but give that 5 or 10 years and the network ports will be present on all of them whether you pay for the option or not. Eventually, you'll be paying extra to not connect your fridge to the network (and, in some cities you already do pay extra to not let the power company "load balance" your major appliances to ma
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costs $400
It's the price, but it's not the cost. The incremental cost to manufacture replacement boards is probably under $30. Reasonable replacement parts pricing should be a regulatory requirement to keep appliances out of landfills - and I'm surprised the EPA isn't on that yet.
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Why not just turn off your router? Or, if your router has multiple SSIDs, have one of them private and undetectable (unless you already know its name) and hook your fridge and TV and everything to it, and disable it whenever you want. Other things, like say, your computer, put it on another SSID if needed.
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Or just don't pay your Comcast bill.
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Because these things will be connecting over a 5G mobile connection, not via your router.
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Tinfoil hat to the rescue!
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Just don't configure the networking.
That was hard.
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It's worse in Canada. I'm still paying $35/mo for 500MB and my choices are other overpriced, established carriers or non-established carriers with poorer coverage and call completion issues, but cheaper plans.
Re:IoT is already here. (Score:5, Funny)
What if your toaster could mine bitcoins and use the heat of the mining process to toast bread? Essentially free bitcoins!
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What if your toaster could mine bitcoins and use the heat of the mining process to toast bread? Essentially free bitcoins!
This would be going down the same road as capturing heat from the air-conditioner in the hot water heater - it works well on some paper calculations, well enough to get installed sometimes, but rarely does the TCO work out for the better.
I mean, picture a three card crossfire video array setup to toast bread in-between the cards, toast slots on top of your gaming rig - now, how critical does the design of the crumb tray become?
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What if your toaster could mine bitcoins and use the heat of the mining process to toast bread? Essentially free bitcoins!
That is actually not as stupid an idea as it may sound. In places they use electric heating, you might as well use SoCs doing something usefull as dumb resistant wires. It would be free calculations.
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You must eat a lot of toast
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IoT has been here before, but now you don't even have to connect your new TV with a cable to turn it into a high output spam machine!
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Precisely. The key thing enabling IoT was IPv6, since that's needed if one wants random devices connected to the internet. Here, end to end is important, since most embedded devices are unlikely to have things like Layer 2 addresses that one associates w/ Ethernet or WiFi cards.
The 4G, or LTE spec, already mandated IPv6 support, which is why it's already there. 5G can help by improving speeds, but other than that, there is no reason that 5G enabled IoT in a way that 4G doesn't. Besides, having a barc
Re: Associated Devices (Score:1)
Maybe the greatest benefit of 5G on IOT is freeing up 4G.
I'm more interested in its potential as last mile ISP service for rural homes.
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And remember, most of those things will need a lot of bandwidth, DDoSs aren't known for their low bandwidth requirements.
Riiight... (Score:4, Insightful)
So someone with a huge interest in seeing 5G data rollout says it'll be as big as industrial revolution. Fucking hardly.
A.I. stands a chance of doing so but improving a wireless technology does not. This is just idiocy I can't believe slashdot publishes this shit.
Everyday that passes I want to block slashdot in my /etc/hosts to break myself from the habit of coming here.
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+1. This guy is not important, not objective and is saying yet another "our technology will revolutionize the world". Come on.
Wait for people describing their next technology as "The fifth industrial revolution". Because you know, the fourth is so much 2010.
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+1. This guy is not important, not objective and is saying yet another "our technology will revolutionize the world". Come on.
Wait for people describing their next technology as "The fifth industrial revolution". Because you know, the fourth is so much 2010.
It's Turkey. They're too busy dealing with non-industrial revolutions nowadays.
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A Modest Proposal (Score:1)
The world would be much better off if Davos were to be swallowed by a giant crack in the Earth today.
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Yes. We don't need the screaming prune calling for the poor to be exterminated.
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I agree on principle, but to which screaming prune do you refer?
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Sorry, a Dr. Who reference. Davros, the creator of the Daleks.
Oh really? (Score:2)
Next-generation 5G mobile internet technology marks the beginning of the "fourth industrial revolution," the chief executive of Turkey's leading telecoms player told CNBC on Thursday
Well if a Chief Executive of a Telecom said it, then it must be . . . . . . nothing but marketing hype.
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Jeez Editors. Next - Kim (or whatever) Kardishan breaks a fingernail (which had an open web browser).
Come on, you really can do better. Even with just flat out troll / clickbait headlines you can do better. We can help you make some up!
yeah ok (Score:1)
Did i miss 2 and 3?
Or is this just another buffoon spouting out marketing gimmicks?
The Fourth Industrial Revolution (Score:5, Informative)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
In short:
1st IR was 18th and 19th centuries and was steam engines and iron and textile production.
2nd IR was 1870 to 1914 and was steel and oil and electricity and mass production.
3rd IR was 1980s to now, and is computers and networks.
The _theory_ is that the 4th industrial revolution is starting now, and will involve some combination of biotech, nanotech, AI, 3d printing, and (if you believe some people) the Internet of Things.
Personally i think that to the extent that you want to differentiate the current/upcoming situation from the 3rd IR/computer revolution, those first four items are all viable candidates for turning society on its head. I'm pretty skeptical about the IoT part though.
Re:The Fourth Industrial Revolution (Score:4, Insightful)
Here's the problem. Industrial revolution is about producing things of value. Hardware. Now, we're producing FlappyBird and is that really "Industrial"?
Robotics replacing humans is more likely part of the Industrial revolution. 3D printing, CNC and WaterJet cutting are Industrial. 5G is nothing more than a fancy telephone line, just like all the other fancy telephone lines.
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Hyperbole (Score:3, Insightful)
Verbal Marketing Diarrhea (Score:5, Interesting)
5G is nothing to do with IoT. IoT is lots of devices very little bandwidth. 5G is tuned for very large bandwidth applications and has a generally quite high power consumption.
LoRa networks are the networks for IoT devices, unless these marketing numbnuts think IoT is about your toaster, connecting to your WiFi, connecting to 5G or some stupid idea like that.
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Trust me. IoT toys trying hard to do their best in a DDoS attack are not really "devices (using) very little bandwidth".
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For a lot of devices, they don't need the speed of 5G, or even LTE. Some devices are just fine working on EDGE or even GPRS because those protocols require less power and are simpler, requiring fewer computation cycles to packetize/depacketize network data.
I wish 5G was engineered similar to Bluetooth. Have a mode for fast data and high power, but have the ability to allow for low power, low bandwidth, so something like a solar powered weather station in the middle of nowhere can send its data to a monito
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5G...has a generally quite high power consumption.
5G is not correlated with "high power consumption." In fact, one of the main goals in research is lower battery (power) consumption. In the past it might have been okay to blast power in all directions to make sure you are heard. Now, there is too much demand so we invest in technologies such as small cells to reduce power levels/interference and increase capacity.
5G is really all about efficiency, using our limited resources in a smarter manner. How can we increase spectral efficiency (stuff more bits per
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5G is not correlated with "high power consumption." In fact, one of the main goals in research is lower battery (power) consumption.
Compared to networks designed specifically for IoT, it may as well be a 100W halogen bulb. 5G is an incremental improvement over LTE, but it's not designed or targetted for IoT, ultra low power devices that can sit a 1yr+ in the field without a battery change.
Stupidest... Thing... Ever... (Score:1)
Without security precautions already in place - and there are none so far - the IoT is the stupidest thing ever created.
The manufacturers need to be held responsible.
More Dumb Stuff Please (Score:4, Interesting)
Sensors everywhere will not make you happier, probably not even healthier. I am sure we will see a "smart" hammer that evaluates your swing and trains you soon.
I want less and less of this stuff.
I want my books printed not "e" these days.
I am tired of cloud crap, stop deleting my tunes and PDFs off my tablet without asking me.
We are in a bubble of "because we can" thinking, rather than products and services that are actually helpful, efficient, and life improving. Gadgets are lucky to have a 1 year lifespan, why would we want billions of them, mostly abandoned by the vendor and the owner alike, sitting on the web waiting to be exploited into botnets and such?
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Anyone still have a CueCat?
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Sensors everywhere will not make you happier
This is the money can't buy happiness arguement. Sensors and automation don't make you happy. They offload meaningless parts of your life that take up time, giving you the freedom to find happiness.
Wait (Score:2, Insightful)
Wasn't AI the beginning of the 4th industrial revolution just last week or so?
Oh god please no! (Score:2, Funny)
5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market.
What vision of Hell is this!
Why are we listening to a markedroid? (Score:2)
Seriously, there is more wrong with these few sentences up there than I have time to correct. Most of it has already been said, so why are we allowing someone whose words would be better redirected to /dev/null lest they get heard by young and impressionable ears and actually cause irreparable damage litter /.?
5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! (Score:5, Insightful)
5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! Now that's a fast connection!
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Today things max out at about 100 Mbps (some carrier aggregation allows 2-3x this, but whatever).
100/8=12.5 MBps
1G/0.0125=8s/GB, burn through a 10 GB data plan in just over a minute today
5G is aiming for 10x faster, 1 Gbps max throughput, so burn through a data cap in 8s
Call it what you want... (Score:1)
Not with bandwidth caps it isn't. (Score:1)
Internet access costs too much and you get too little. ISPs are trying to sell internet access and content at the same time, so they implement bandwidth restrictions to push people to buy from them.
If our elected officials had any sense, they'd break up these media-ISP conglomerates.
This is not a feature... (Score:2)
"5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market. "
This is not a feature. It's more likely a slow-moving, relentless catastrophe.
5G means IoT on a world scale (Score:2)
Happy hacking!
Not in the US (Score:3)
In the US, we're going to data cap that to the point of uselessness. Really, there's no point to faster mobile data if it is gobbled up in a couple of seconds.
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Sure there is. Loading slashdot on 3G and loading it on LTE-A uses the same amount of data.
However on the former I get to state at a blank loading bar for 10 seconds. Why are we still waiting on electronic devices in 2017.
Industrial revolution the same way as 4TB drives (Score:1)
5G is an "industrial revolution" in the same way as 4TB hard drives.
In other words, it's just a minor improvement on technology already being used. There is nothing revolutionary about it.
Good chance for US to catch up? (Score:1)
Yeah, right. (Score:2)
Seriously though, even assuming there is something brought about by 5G magic that we could remotely call "revolutionary" (as not, something way more than just "faster") what will that be?
Um, No. (Score:2)
Seriously, it's self-powered wireless clothing devices and other integrated circuits you wear that have their own AI, and which will report you to the Ministry of Truth for deviating from the "norm" that are the 5th Industrial Revolution.
Limited bandwidth (Score:2)
IOT (Score:1)
Internet of Turkeys
Does anyone actually NOT want the IoT? (Score:2)
I frankly don't like the idea of every goddamn appliance sending out radio waves. It's a total waste of energy, in most cases utterly unnecessary, and may even possibly have negative health consequences. Stop putting fucking wifi in everything!!!
Back to the Ottoman Caliphate (Score:2)
Also, w/ all the controls they are putting on all their media, including social media, what will they do w/ 5G? They are busy contemplating teaching Jihad in school [panarmenian.net]
, so what exactly will 5G do for them? Enable them to blow up a Western embassy in Brunei?