Hyperloop Firm Eyes Indonesia For Ultra-Fast Transport System (cnbc.com) 58
An anonymous reader shares a CNBC report: Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT), one of the companies developing the futuristic transport service dreamed up by billionaire Elon Musk, said it was exploring Indonesia as a potential site to put one of its tracks. The so-called "feasibility study" contract is worth $2.5 million and will look into whether a hyperloop system would work initially in the capital Jakarta, and then connecting Java and Sumatra. A hyperloop would work by propelling pods through a large tube at speeds of 750 mph using magnets. It is seen as a solution to long distance travel, but also alleviating congestion in many cities. Jakarta is the world's third-worst city for traffic, according to a study by navigation from TomTom released earlier this year.
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Hyperloop sounds cool. It will probably never work. If they do get it to 'work' it will be in a very controlled environment that is 100% impractical and costs a fortune to run.
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They talk of 'from san diego to sacramento in 40 mins'. We *HAVE* that now. It is called an airplane. The prob is the front and back security. Which would have to be applied to hyperloop too.
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The prob is the front and back security. Which would have to be applied to hyperloop too.
I'm confused. "Back security"? Even in aircraft, we only check on the front side - Do we need to re-check people after they've reached their destination? Also, why would this need more security than buses or trains? It's not like one's going to get hijacked and rammed into a building.
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When I referred to back-end security, I meant in the sense of delays. I realize that's not what I said. Can't watch the videos 'cuz I'm at work, but I'll take it on faith that they explain why a vacuum tube with a bullet loaded with passengers would be THAT much more hazardous than a "normal" train wreck. That wasn't sarcasm. It seems to me that security would be largely pointless unless we secured the whole line to some degree - It would be easy (easier?) to attack the tube/car without even visiting the st
Re: Um, no. (Score:2)
They need a vacuum a significant multiplier larger than the LHC. And they will need to pressurize and depressurize the entire thing any time someone wants to get in or out.
Not just hard, nearly impossible, the LHC turbo vacuums took 12 weeks. Even if you don't need that large of a vacuum, how many hours/days will you need to wait AFTER you get in the vehicle and BEFORE you get out?
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too soon? (Score:2)
Well, except for this guy... [wikimedia.org]
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Nobody's ever flown a train into a building.
True. Also true: if a plane explodes in flight, the airspace it was flying through doesn't need expensive repairs before it can be used again.
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Idiot.
Just how long do you think the vacuum in the tube will last once an earthquake breaks the tube?
Depending where the break is, the car could either stop abruptly, reverse abruptly or even speed up depending where the break is in relation to the car. If the occupants are very lucky, they could just be left somewhere random inside a powerless tube. If not lucky, they could be mashed flat or even plough into the break at 700 mph.
Re: Earthquakes (Score:2)
Not even earthquakes, how will it behave in summer, the temperature differential between the top and bottom of the tubes and also along the entire length of the thing and all those seals need to not just conform ANY failure causes catastrophic failure of the entire system.
Bastard! (Score:1)
You might be quicker, but I'll say "no" for 2.4 million. Round it down for cash.
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Next time you pay taxes, remember you're paying for your roads.
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Who said anything about taxes, smartcock?
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Who said anything about taxes, Mr. Cannotpunctuate?
I hope it works... (Score:2)
...but one of the principal reasons why transport in just about every form that we now see it is due to cost. It's a lot cheaper to build the least expensive road/path/tunnel/track possible, even if that means that the vehicles that travel those paths must be more expensive in order to self-propel. For this to be otherwise the usage must be very high. To a more pedestrian example (ha!), moving sidewalks are not terribly common. They're found only where extremely high volumes of foot traffic are present
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Then, once you have NYC done and DC done, and Phily and Baltimore between, you can have a quie
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That's all dependent on the system being designed properly or revised properly as demands change though. If demand for corridors outstrips carrying capacity it'll still result in traffic jams. The idea of cooperative systems isn't bad, but the passengers are probably only going to put up with a small amount of delay before finding the system unacceptable. It also breaks-down where the density drops too far. This could even be a problem in a city like New York, the density is high in Manhattan, but start
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But there already are routes where this is the case - high volume routes with lots of people heading one way or another. LA to San Francisco is one, but there are many more where there are many flights per day between two destin
Jakarta? Really? Best of luck... (Score:2)
I get the traffic issue, but I don't think the economics of the area will be very helpful. Maybe if you need a government that's not afraid of taking property by force to get your track built, that has loosey goosey liability laws and can be easily bribed this is a good choice. I'm inclined to think it's a bad choice, but hey, hope that works out for you.
After Sweden-Finland, Dubai-Abu Dhabi now Jakarta (Score:2)
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I think I'll wait for the transistors version.
More Vaporware (Score:3)
As long as they do not have the concept worked out all those stories are pure fiction. It might be feasible it might be stupid. However, you cannot say, as the specs are not out. Yes I know there are some specs on the tech and some issues with the solution. However, this is not a solid concept, as there are so many missing pieces. Therefore, they should not come up with ideas where to build it, but with a general solution.
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SpaceX = Shuttle++. Tesla = Milk float#. No idea what SolarCity is but I'm sure it boils down to SomethingOld.Net
Hipster space nutter much?
Re: More Vaporware (Score:3)
We had electric cars and rockets around the beginning of the last century. The only small scale (compared to hyperloop) vacuum chamber is LHC.
Propelling a train-like Maglev thing in a tube at any speed isn't hard. The vacuum chamber associated is. And if you're going to ignore the vacuum chamber, why put it in tubes to begin with?
Hyperloop is a scam (Score:2)
See this takedown [wordpress.com].
Musk hasn't gotten any Western country to bite and invest money. Maybe in a third world country with less education and a restricted media, he'll find takers.
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If there weren't terrorists.. (Score:2)
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slash dot quote agrees
"Practical people would be more practical if they would take a little more time for dreaming. -- J. P. McEvoy"
Re: If there weren't terrorists.. (Score:2)
And yet we avoid building tunnels and bridges as much as we can, there are massive redundancies and engineering going into oversizing it and we don't attach anything with the potential energy of an atom bomb to it which goes off as soon as any part of it fails. You can take a shotgun to a bridge, even a stick of TNT will do minimal damage in most cases.
Tracks and holes are easy to make, they are really hard to break and if they do break, losses are minimal to 1 train at best. This system when it breaks dest
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actually, I heard terrorists like to bomb standard trains too. and bus stops. and they hijack planes. maybe we shouldn't have ordinary rail and bus service.
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Financial vulnerable, yes. Blow up a part of the pipe and the trains stop for weeks.
In terms of human life: absolutely not vulnerable, unless you can blow up the pipe when a train passes. Seems exactly the same thing like blowing up a train on a regularly rail to me.
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No, it still wouldn't be a good idea:
https://youtu.be/QXF2qcu-tFw [youtu.be]
an airline (Score:1)
or they could use the money to build an airline if they need fast commute, the technology is here, it works, it's proven, it can be measured in terms of costs and profits upfront, it doesn't require a weird infrastructure setup that is the Achilles heel of hyperloop - a very long thin steel vacuum tube. A thin steel tube will expand and contract due to temperature fluctuations, flexible joints will have to maintain vacuum somehow? Anybody with a tiny amount of explosives (or even with a rifle) will be abl
Guinea Pig (Score:1)
You jump in first, Elon!
A more accurate name (Score:2)
It should really be called an rloop.