Hyperloop One Announces 11 Possible US Routes, Completes Vegas Test Track (theverge.com) 270
An anonymous reader writes:
Thursday Hyperloop One executives announced that they've finished constructing their 1,640-foot-long "DevLoop" test track in the desert outside Las Vegas. But they also revealed possible U.S. routes for their high-speed transportation solution "to initiate a nationwide conversation about the future of American transportation" -- five of them suggested by state transportation department officials from Texas, Florida, Colorado, Nevada and Missouri.
Last May the company invited pitches for routes to various cities, and Thursday's 11 pitches were chosen from 2,600 participants. These 11 pitches will compete with 24 other pitches from around the globe to be one of the three chosen to "work closely with Hyperloop One engineering and business development teams to explore project development and financing." And Thursday they also announced that "by year's end the company will have a team of 500 engineers, fabricators, scientists and other employees dedicated to bringing the technology to life."
Click through for more information, and the list of the 11 U.S. cities being suggested for hyperloop destinations.
Last May the company invited pitches for routes to various cities, and Thursday's 11 pitches were chosen from 2,600 participants. These 11 pitches will compete with 24 other pitches from around the globe to be one of the three chosen to "work closely with Hyperloop One engineering and business development teams to explore project development and financing." And Thursday they also announced that "by year's end the company will have a team of 500 engineers, fabricators, scientists and other employees dedicated to bringing the technology to life."
Click through for more information, and the list of the 11 U.S. cities being suggested for hyperloop destinations.
- Boston-Somerset-Providence
- Cheyenne-Houston
- Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh
- Denver-Colorado Springs
- Denver-Vail
- Kansas City-St. Louis
- Los Angeles-San Diego
- Miami-Orlando
- Reno-Las Vegas
- Seattle-Portland
- Dallas/Fort Worth-Austin-San Antonio-Houston
"The event in the nation's capital is being billed as the company's official US launch," writes The Verge, noting the company's current feasiblity studies have been looking at the United Arab Emirates, Finland and Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Moscow, and the U.K. "Meanwhile, Hyperloop One's main competitor, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (also LA-based), is currently exploring building hyperloops in a half-dozen countries in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East." But the senior VP of global operations for Hyperloop One said this week that "We always thought that North America is going to be our biggest market globally."
Houston-New Orleans-Austin (Score:4, Insightful)
Elon ought to build the first one down here. It would be great to take a train to New Orleans for lunch, maybe hear a band in Jackson Square, have BBQ at the Broken Spoke in Austin for dinner, catch maybe a Joe Ely show and sleep in my own bed in Houston that same night.
Plus, there ain't shit in between Houston, New Orleans and Austin, so nobody will be inconvenienced.
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Well then they are set (Score:2)
The Lege is currently working on legislation meant to restrict the ability of transportation projects, specifically high speed rail, to use state funds and emminent domain to complete the projects.
And why do you need state funds to build something so obviously profitable? Private companies are going into space now, why not the ground.
If they were building an pipeline, that would be great.
And what is the Hyperloop but the ultimate pipeline?
Austin you are stuck on unreliable busses.
Not when self driving taxi
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Have you been on an airplane lately?
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Why would a capsule flying through a vacuum floating on magnetic fields be noisy?
Obviously it is most likely windowless. You would need to have windows in the pipes, too. No idea if that makes sense or is a weakness for the structure.
However when I use a subway I'm reading most of the time, and don't care about windows.
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Well, would depend on the route. I guess if it goes a big deal over empty land, why not. I was more wondering if the pipeline can made with windows, especially if that dramatically increases the cost or not.
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Brother, I will be there. It's going to be at the Discovery Green, right? I can ride my bike up there.
I've taken that bus ride a bunch of times. In fact, I'll be taking it for the New Orleans Heritage Festival at the end of the month. I stay in the Garden District, so once I get there, I don't really need a car for anything.
Too many refineri
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Don't nobody want to go to Dallas.
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Why should it?
The tunnel is always under vacuum (*facepalm*)
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Perhaps you should check in the internet how stuff works.
I mean ... are you really that dumb or are you just pretending? I mean your name already is kinda ... well ...
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Hyperloop doesn't run in a vacuum, just very low pressures of about 1 millibar (~ 1/1000 normal pressure). Just napkin math, but let's say the loading area is 1/10 mile long, and the distance between stations is 100 miles. Releas
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Of course the engineers on this have thought of all the downsides. But as long as Musk keeps paying them they will go along with the shit until it hits the fan.
On Slashdot 15 Years Ago... (Score:2)
"Evacuated Tube Transport (ETT) is a new kind of transportation system that requires less than two percent of the energy of current transportation methods. It is also much safer, and can be faster. [...]"
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]
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Wow, even the comments are indistinguishable from today's.
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Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT (Score:2)
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Denver to Vail also seems like the hardest, by far, to physically construct. I genuinely don't think the US has it in them to construct hard infrastructure projects like that anymore. If it's not profitable by next quarter, it's not going to get built.
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Right. Building infrastructure from the plains to the mountains is super easy because some stretches are public land. Hint: There is a reason those stretches are public land. Because it's incredibly difficult to build anything there.
Re: Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT (Score:2)
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ALL of the ski resorts want this. In fact, NEED this. So does the gambling towns.
More importantly, a hyperloop is ideal for this. The ability to stop at point and having a bussing system in place is IMPORTANT.
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If you talk to Vail locals who knew the original founders (there's plenty still around), they will tell you that Vail's site was chosen in part because it's on the opposite side of Vail Pass from Denver, thus making it hard for large numbers of people to get in after a big snow dump. I don't think Vail would want this tunnel thing.
Have you read the book The Inventors of Vail [amazon.com]?
As I recall, Vail was basically born to be a resort that was between Aspen and Winter Park on US hwy 6 (now I-70). They were banking on the fact that I-70 would take the US-6 path rather than the US-40 path (this I-70 decision was made in 1960 before Vail got off the ground in the mid '60's even though I-70 didn't start construction for another decade).
FWIW, the California Zephyr train takes a track that goes from Denver to Winterpark ski area, and then to Granb
Integrate cars with trains (Score:2)
Given the urban sprawl and ubiquitous cars there is no real point in connecting old city centers with other city centers.
One of the suggested routes is Chicago-Pittsburgh. The distance between I76-I79 intersection north of Pittsburgh
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There is a bit more to it than loading cars on a railcar and hauling people that way for even an hour or two.
They will get restless. They will need to pee. They will need something to do since sitting in a sealed railcar underground with no windows is going to be very boring.
And some idiot will start their car engine to do something and end up gassing a lot of people. So they can't be allowed to just sit in their cars with the keys ready to go. It will have to be like Amtrak's Autotrains, where the aut
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"If it is possible to drive a car on to a flat bed car at I76-I79, park and sit inside the car for three hours while the train hauls you up to I80-I294 could be developed at reasonable cost. Add a few passenger cars for "first class" and let people sit in their own cars for "economy". Add concessionaires for food service for another line of revenue."
This is done in Swizerland, especially with trucks. The Trucks are loaded on a train Freiburg, southern German, pretty much right next to my office in fact. The
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So they can't be allowed to just sit in their cars with the keys ready to go. ... they all have car carrying trains going through tunnels through the mountains where the people sit in the car.
Strange that such trains work fine in Alps (Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria)
Albeit: the travel times are around an hour.
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I always thought Amtrak should sort out carrying personal automobiles on their passenger trains, although I think riding in your car on the train is a bad idea for more than an hour.
Failure of imagination. (Score:2)
So many people lost their lives when we undertook learning to fly, all the way through to rocketry and going to outer space. Every step of the way there were failures and we learned something new re engineered and now we take flying for granted. So maybe someday this kind of travel will be workable, but I dont see it anytime soon.
I just can't get the idea out of my head that when this idea fails, its going to fail in a very catastrophic way, something that 'wasn't considered possible', or wasn't even cons
11 destinations and 11 routes? (Score:2)
Surely you mean "Click through for more information, and the list of the 22 U.S. cities being suggested for hyperloop destinations."
Unless of course they're makng a big star with a switch in the middle
They should try China instead (Score:2)
Thursday? (Score:2)
Thursday Hyperloop One executives announced
When did Thursday become an adjective? Was it supposed to say thirty? Or thirsty?
Re:Will never happens (Score:5, Insightful)
Want to go from City A to City B at 500mph? No problem. We already have a complete infrastructure in place that will allow you to go from just about any city to just about any other city at high speed.
It's called airplanes and airports and has existed since before you were born.
The actual flight part of an airplane trip may be fast, but getting to and from the airport generally is not, because airports generally can't be built right in the center of a city. For short domestic flights, the actual flight time is often only a fraction of the overall trip time. I haven't studied these hyperloop proposals, so I don't know where they're proposing to put the stations, but if they can put them close to city centers, then they could have a huge advantage over airplanes.
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We often (possibly usually) don't want to go to the center of the city. I want to go to suppliers in Auburn Hills (not Detroit proper) or to a plant in Claycomo (not Kansas City), or to Miami Beach (not the City of Miami). Granted, the airport isn't always closest to the majority of final destinations, but the city center isn't necessarily any better.
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The city center *is* better, in the sense that you can catch a cab in or out any time of day or night. Try flagging a cab at 3 AM in Auburn Hills. They probably went home after the bars closed and they took all the drunks on the scenic route.
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What happens when there's a breach or rupture in the tube? The pressure rises gradually.
In the same way that a balloon pops gradually, sure.
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but if they can put them close go city centers, then they could have a huge advantage over airplanes
Approaching the city center implies rapidly escalating costs for right-of-way.
If I understand the Hyperloop correctly, it is more or less as rigidly constrained in its design as a pneumatic tube or a pipeline. Even the gentlest of curves become a problem. You can't simply route around obstructions that would be too expensive to clear.
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The actual flight part of an airplane trip may be fast, but getting to and from the airport generally is not
Only because the USA refuses to build trains. In a city like Stockholm you board a high-speed train at the airport. 20 minutes later you're downtown. Missed the train? No problem, there's another one in 10 minutes.
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Hyperloop will never be affected by weather cancellations.
...because they'll never be built.
Re:Will never happens (Score:5, Interesting)
Overpressure Physical Effects 20 psi Heavily built concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished. 10 psi Reinforced concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished. Most people are killed. 5 psi Most buildings collapse. Injuries are universal, fatalities are widespread. 3 psi Residential structures collapse. Serious injuries are common, fatalities may occur. 1 psi Window glass shatters Light injuries from fragments occur.
http://www.atomicarchive.com/E... [atomicarchive.com] It will utterly obliterate any and every pod in the tube. You'd be hard pressed to find a piece of human meat bigger than a baseball. And that is really just one concern of a dozen.
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A loading tube where passengers get into cars. Door ahead of car(s) opens. The cars go into the variable length tube area. In doing so, it will push the majority of air that is in the tube out.
So, now door closes, and values open into another side tube that was previously evacuated (which has pumps always working to lower the pressure for the next car). Most air rushes out, values close, and several pumps start working on evacuating the rest.
With the little bit that was left, it is gone in a m
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Except when they want to load and unload passengers and need to put air back into the tube.
So... you think they refill the entire tube each time so let the passengers out? Trust me, it's not Rei who's a dumbass. Also WTF? You bothered to register a username just to have a go at another poster? Priorities, dude!
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Learn how vacuum system work before you comment you fucking moron.
^^^^^^This, time 1000.
Obtaining and maintaining thevacuum level that would be required for the hyperloop to work is no small task. Most people don't understand what's required to pull a decent vacuum and keep it at an acceptable level.
For a structure as big as the hyperloop just the outgassing of the cars and other internal parts alone will be a major impediment to achieving the required vacuum.
Even worse, you re-expose the entire vehicle to atmosphere regularly giving it no real chance to ever fully degas.
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Once again, some random old guy on Slashdot has all the answers that teams of highly paid engineers and PhDs building an actual system have failed to account for.
That is correct.
And by the way, I'm not the only one pointing out all the places they fucked up when squirting out their engineering fantasy.
Why don't you hop in your flying car and zoom down there, let us know how they're coming along?
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Hyperloops have nothing to do with "vacuum systems".
What kind of head injury do you have, Angel? The whole premise of the hyperloop is that the vehicles run in a vacuum. That's literally what it's all about.
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That does not make it a "vacuum system" as the parent implies who tries to explain us with insults since 10 posts that the pipe will need to get a new vacuum for every trip, hence needs to be evacuated for every trip and will not work because of moisture ... etc. p.p.
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That does not make it a "vacuum system"
Yes, that is exactly what it is, in every sense of the word. As someone below said, "You're a complete moron."
The entire hyperbullshit loop is a vacuum system, that's the very basis of its design. The fact that you don't understand this means that you are, in fact, an idiot.
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that the pipe will need to get a new vacuum for every trip, hence needs to be evacuated for every trip and will not work because of moisture
No, that's not what's been said. The entire hyperbullshit loop will have to be pumped down and kept pumped down, which is where a lot of the expense and impracticability will come into play. I worked with vacuum extensively early in my
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The stronger the vacuum the less air friction and therefore the higher the maximum speed possible.
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
You're missing the point. That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
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The current holder of the angel'o'sphere or whatever account bought it from someone who had quit Slashdot, came around and acted like a retard a year or two back, left, and now either:
A: They have returned, acting just as retarded as before.
B: Some other retard bought the account from the first retard who bought it from the original user.
Just ignore it, like the 11001011whatever guy and MightyMartian.
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These videos mostly either deliberately mis-state or overstate the issues - try some fact checking for once. They are made by someone who makes money by stirring controversy to push up his video views and make money and "debunking" hyperloop is a massive cash cow for him. He started off with fairly reputable science analysis but over the years moved to more emotive/controversial topics as these made him money.
A lot of the arguments in the video are based on the "alpha document". The document itself point
Re:Will never happens (Score:5, Informative)
Want to go from City A to City B at 500mph? No problem. We already have a complete infrastructure in place that will allow you to go from just about any city to just about any other city at high speed. It's called airplanes and airports and has existed since before you were born.
This method is uncomfortable (legroom), nauseating (turbulence), frequently delayed or cancelled (weather), with inherent capacity limits (airspace, runway space), and long lines for creepy invasive security checks (TSA) before you get on. High speed trains have none of that.
You should try taking a high speed train some time in Europe or Asia. The station is downtown, often right next to your destination or a quick subway ride away. You can arrive 5 minutes before departure and get on with no problems. There is no security check, just a guy at the platform entrance to check that you have a ticket. The train leaves exactly on time and arrives exactly on time pretty much every trip (and by "on time" I mean actually on time, not within the half hour padding that airplane schedules have to boost on-time rates). The ride is perfectly smooth and quiet, often with free wifi, and plenty of leg room. For trips of 150 to 400 miles, it's frequently the fastest option door-to-door as well. Just try this once, and I think your opinion of high speed rail will change.
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How timely the trains are depends a bit on country. E.g. France has a relatively low frequency of trains but aside from natural disaster they are usually on the minute. Switzerland on the other hand has a relatively slow train network, because the Swiss prefer timely trains over fast trains. So it can happen that a train is standing in a station for half an hour to pick up travelers from connecting trains.
In Germany it depends on route and time of the year or what ever construction project is going on. Ofte
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Building fast trains in Switzerland is highly nontrivial because of all the mountains. Not even the Swiss are rich enough to build all the tunnels and bridges that would be necessary.
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This sort of thing would never fly (so to speak) in the US. We could never put the stations anywhere near city center because it would take 100 years to deal with all the lawsuits from the permitting process. In the unlikely event that you could actually build it, you can bet your shoes that the TSA would have all those 'excess' scanners that they pulled out of airports (because they didn't work) placed inconveniently at the station. For your safety and 'security' of course.
And after you replaced your cl
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The TSA will be all over any commercial hyperloop system. The security checks are not going away.
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signed: Germany
Please don't sign on behalf of Germany. Rather sign on behalf of the one city you're likely having problems with.
signed: The rest of Germany which has no problems with trains.
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Lets see, DB, the main carrier in Germany a country of 80million people with one of the largest train networks in the world taking 40000 trips per day serving 1.8million people per day, ... all it takes is every train to be late by 10 seconds to get to that 3.79million minutes figure.
Context: It matters!
And as someone who travels daily on DB intercity, and twice a week internationally I will fully stand behind my claim when I say there is no more punctual mode of transport available to people. Fuck 2 weeks
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California has mountains, and mountains block high speed rail, unless you drill tunnels through them, and tunnels are very expensive. France has flat land, which is cheap for HSR. China and Japan had enough population density to make it worthwhile to deal with some mountains. California and Australia don't have enough people to make it worthwhile. But hey, politicians want HSR, just like France.
Building while the population density is low is the best time to build it!
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Ever taken one of the European bullet trains? You can take Ryanair cheap between London and Paris, but the train will get you faster from center to center, and without all the airport hassle.
I se a different problem with Hyperloop, the lack of intermediate stations between the end points.. Any practical implementation should have a provision for a small number of intermediate stops. Offline stations (stopped train nit blocking the right of way) would add flexibility.
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Re: Will never happens (Score:5, Insightful)
Major advantage of the hyper loop is billions in government subsidies to build it.
That's the point of government subsidies. To build / run stuff for the public that benefits the citizenry.
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"We already have a complete infrastructure in place that will allow you to go from just about any city to just about any other city at high speed."
Sure -- assuming that you don't count the hour getting to the airport, the ever shrinking seats, the two hour "security" delay, the overnight stay when you miss your connection in Chicago, Atlanta, or some other garden spot, and the hour collecting your luggage (if it takes the same flight(s)) and getting from your putative destination to where you really want t
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Yeah, but in an airplane you have to deal with your fragile assembly of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and a couple of patented molecules hunched into a thin, lightweight tube of aluminum and other insubstantial materials at speeds of a significant fraction of sound.
Whereas in a Hyperloop.....
And hell, the TSA would have their sticky little clutches in this industry before you can say 'may I see your passport, please'.
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Thankfully, hyperloop does a minimum, not a max, of 700 mph.
So, quite a bit faster.
And quit a bit cheaper in terms of energy.
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A minimum of 700 mph requires Infinite G force.
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It is conceivable that a tube wall sturdy enough to hold up under 15 psi = 103kPa pressure won't leak a whole lot. I'm assuming sliding or dilating or something-ing barriers at the stations to keep trash, luggage, small children, etc from being sucked into the traveling portion of the tube.
OTOH, the cost of a hyperloop tube -- whether buried, run along the surface, or suspended from giant genetically modified vultures -- is likely to be pretty high compared to a rail line. It might be cheaper to have a Sp
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YOu would never have accomplished a thing.
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Only if it is leaking. And with no leaks, no big deal.
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Want to go from City A to City B at 500mph? No problem. We already have a complete infrastructure in place
Really? Because in general what I see in major airports is that they aren't actually anywhere within the city limits. That's before you consider the arrive 2 hours before hand garbage.
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yeah, I can see why you remain AC. I would too after putting such BS out there.
The fact is that, anonymous or not, he's right.
Pulling a vacuum in all the miles and miles and miles of tubing will require an immense amount of power to acheive, and an immense amount of power to keep it under useable vacuum.
The expansion and shrinkage of the tunnel is also an enormous engineering obstacle that is unlikely to be solved at any practical price.
Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud (Score:4, Insightful)
In fact, there are a number of companies that deal with this that say it is a none issue.
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Heck, they do this now with Large Hadron Collider
At an incredible expense. Plus that vacuum chamber has a diameter of a few centimeters. Now where near the two meter diameter hyper loop will require.
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Heck, they do this now with Large Hadron Collider.
LOL!
The tube diameter of the LHC is 5cm (external diameter 53 mm, wall thickness 1.5 mm). So it's only 5 cm across while the hyperbullshit loop is supposed to be 2 meters across.
The LHC is a bitch to evacuate and keep evacuated, and they almost never EVER vent it to atmosphere, unlike parts of the hyperbullshit loop which will be regularly and frequently vented to raw atmosphere.
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Oh, and don't forget that the Large Hadron Collider doesn't have multiple vehicles zooming around inside it at 200 MPH.
If you can
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Why? Ummm, so people can get in and out, you fool.
WTF, what is wrong with you?
The people don't "exit the train into the former vaccum" walk out of the tunnel, close the tunnel again, pump out air again. That would be completely silly and technically much to complicated anyway. Why would anyone do that and why are you so dumb to think that? And insult people here with _YOUR_ stupidity?
The tunnel keeps its vacuum. Either you
a) have docking tubes that connect the car with the exit, and people walk through that
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oyeeesh.
Can you just go back to waving your cane at twitter users, Mr Old Guy? That's funny to watch. This by contrast is just painful.
PS Are you still convinced I'm a Trump supporter?
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Can you just go back to waving your cane at twitter users, Mr Old Guy?
I don't have a cane, so no, I can't.
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That's funny to watch. This by contrast is just painful.
Yes, science is often funny to those who don't understand it.
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PS Are you still convinced I'm a Trump supporter?
Are you now admitting you're not?
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"How many billion dollars has "Thunderf00t" made with his space and car companies? Yes, it's the same number as you - none"
About the same number as Musk's high tech schema also. Solar Cities seems to be (have been?) a money sucking disaster whose troubles have been hidden by tucking it into Tesla . Many folks think it was/is a scam aimed a skimming off government subsidies and leaving homeowners with an incomprehensible, unbreakable lease on equipment that doesn't work as promised. Tesla looks likely to b
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so you can train while you train.
So...the trains will have training wheels?
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"Try to" exterminate?
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The Japanese did "try" to spread plague with bombs made out fleas ment to infect rats to in turn infect and kill humans! But who cares about that shit, HERE COMES MONGO!
Re:just like MARTA (Score:4, Funny)
I've made a huge mistake.
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Is there something about Cheyenne that makes the whole population travel happy?
Making a metro area of less than 100k people a major travel destination sounds a bit like bullshit to me.