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Surface Laptop Can Be Switched To Windows 10 Pro For Free Until 2018 (cnet.com) 150

An anonymous reader shares a report: Don't let the new Windows 10 S operating system stop you from buying a Surface Laptop this year. The streamlined OS limits you to using applications that are in Microsoft's Windows Store. But, as noted in the tech specs for Microsoft's new ultraportable, if you'd rather run non-Store apps, you can switch to Windows 10 Pro for free until December 31, 2017. Once 2018 hits, the switch to Pro will cost $49. But be warned: Once you upgrade your license key, you can't go back.
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Surface Laptop Can Be Switched To Windows 10 Pro For Free Until 2018

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Anything not on the Appdows 10 Store is LUDDITE software, so only LUDDITES want LUDDITE Windows 10 Pro. Modern app appers only app apps, which is why Appdows 10 S is the appiest apperating app!

    Apps!
  • by fred6666 ( 4718031 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:03AM (#54348213)

    $1000 for 4 GB of non-upgradable RAM and a (probably) non-upgradable 128 GB SSD.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:33AM (#54348431)

      4GB on a $1000 device? What is Microsoft thinking? That they too can sell overpriced underspecd gear now?

      They will be sued as Apple surely has this patented!

      • by nomadic ( 141991 )
        One advantage they have as the OS creator is they can optimize their laptop quite well (Apple gets the same advantage on their often weak technical specs). I have a Surface Pro 4 and its performance approaches my higher-CPU 16 gig RAM desktop.
      • That they too can sell overpriced underspecd gear now?

        What's underspecced about a device that will ultimately be used to process documents and browse the internet? If your goal is to play Doom 2016 on it, you're running a fools errand.

        Hell not being able to load it with that crap may actually be a plus for educational institutions. In the mean time find us some other devices with similar specs for a better price.

        Here's one now from Dell: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop... [dell.com]
        It's $1 cheaper.

    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

      Their goal is to compete with Apple.
      They got the price, the locked down OS. Unfortunately, they weren't brave enough to remove the headphone jack.

      • by Karlt1 ( 231423 )

        Please explain how Apple's laptop OS is "locked down"?

      • Other than the fact that it does not run on non-Apple hardware (officially), how is macOS locked down? You can turn off SIP if you want to dance a jig in the system directories, and you can turn off signature checking of programs.

    • The 12.9" iPad Pro is $899 with 128GB of flash and 4GB of RAM and the keyboard is another $169, so they're in the same ballpark if they intend this as a high-end iPad competitor, rather than a laptop competitor.
  • Shitty?

  • But....... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dr.Flake ( 601029 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:14AM (#54348291)

    does it run Linux?

    Only really relevant question here

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

    • Yes, as of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. Ask, and you shall receive [howtogeek.com].
  • by Higaran ( 835598 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:16AM (#54348307)
    I don't understand why anyone would want to downgrade from windows 10 pro back to the S version. Can someone enlighten me?
    • by TWX ( 665546 )

      I had a netbook that had Windows 7 Starter Edition on it back in the day. Hell, still have it laying about somewhere. Anyway, as a device for simple web browsing and basic usage it was fine. It was annoying as hell that Microsoft wouldn't let you change the background picture on the desktop (a feature one could do on Windows 3.1 on a 386, so their excuse about computing power was bullshit) but even as someone that asks their computers to do more than most it still was adequate for what the platform was.

      I

    • i would do it to my family members to reduce my support work.
  • by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:21AM (#54348347)

    And with the smallest app store in the industry on top? Many Chromebooks have a far greater selection of Android apps, plus you can sideload more and install competing Amazon appstore.

    • And with the smallest app store in the industry on top? Many Chromebooks have a far greater selection of Android apps, plus you can sideload more and install competing Amazon appstore.

      Many Chromebooks don't run Android Apps. Chromebooks were bloody popular before there was any talk of them running Android Apps. Also given what constitutes "computing" to a lot of people today (Gmail, writing a document in Office 365, uploading photos to the cloud) frankly for a lot of people "Apps" are completely optional.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      The same reason people buy Apple or Google ready hardware. All they need is chat, the internet, social media, email, a webcam, productivity apps.
      MS is chasing the people who don't need Office applications.
  • It doesn't (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    >Don't let the new Windows 10 S operating system stop you from buying a Surface Laptop this year.

    It doesn'...t I have a shitload of other reasons not to buy it.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    They hook you in with a "free" upgrade, then down the line when you get your next computer they extort you to get an uncrippled version of Windows, which is needed for real applications. They will use the paywall to lock out competitors and secure boot will stop you getting the unlocked version for free. Its time to take action against Microsoft before the "S" becomes the default for all new computers.

  • Maybe this new Surface laptop will be a big seller? Way too early to predict that. Regardless? I view this one as copying all of the wrong things Apple has done lately.

    Basically, you've got Microsoft trying to compete on "thinnest, lightest!" (and for now, actually beating Apple at their own game in that department) - at the expense of functionality. You're always going to pay a premium price for hardware that's been crammed into as small a space as the manufacturer can possibly put it in ... hence the unde

    • windows home vs pro was about domains in the past for the most part.

      OSX did have server ver's in the past.

    • by torkus ( 1133985 )

      Except you're confusing your limited cases with the broader industry.

      The large majority of people outside of gamers have no need for discreet graphics. Even on the occasions that something goes more slowly, the trade-off in cost/weight/size balances in favor of accepting the slowness.

      There certainly ARE laptops with discreet graphics. Nice ones too. But even so it's a niche market, costs more, and has other trade-offs. Manufacturers are going to focus on the masses by default.

  • Yesterday trolling of Apple, then shilling for M$ laptops. I guess we know who paid for the current /. campaign.

  • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:41AM (#54348495) Journal

    The Surface laptop fills a niche that has a very small userspace inside the Surface lineup and, more importantly, breaks almost zero new ground (save for the super-soft keyboard surface that is a pita to clean). It doesn't fold flat/back so inking isn't really as useful as on the other two Surface portables. You can't get it with a second, discrete GPU like you can with the Book. It's heavier and lower resolution than the Pro4. It's only real claim to fame is a very suspect 14.5 hour "video playback" benchmark which, I'm going to guess, is based on the CPU being in a near-sleep state while the playback is completely decoded in the new Kaby Lake HEVC circuit. There are no specs on the battery because if we know the Wh, we could back out the high power profile time (Wh/15W GPU for most serious work, about double that for light web surfing, maybe 2.5x with Edge).

    Similarly equipped, the SL costs within $100 of the SP4 and SB. That seems like a small differential to give up the ability to go tablet mode.

    • Similarly equipped, the SL costs within $100 of the SP4 and SB.

      This is one I don't understand but it does seem to address one of the complaints about the Surface line, which was that it isn't hinge supported (i.e. very difficult to use on your lap).

    • Unsure of the pricing Surface Laptop versus Pro 4 on higher end models, at launch the SP4 i7/16GB/512GB was around $2,700 and the similarly configured Surface Laptop seems to be around $2,100.... Unless one is getting the performance base, there isn't much advantage to the dedicated GPU in upgrading to a SB - the intel IRIS pro gpu in the SP4 is relatively fast....not sure about the new builtin GPU of the surface laptop (i7 variant).

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      A nice new Linux install will solve all the MS Windows phone home issues. Some nice new hardware with an almost classic Thinkpad like screen ratio.
  • Surface is a failure (Score:3, Interesting)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:42AM (#54348501) Homepage Journal
    Don't believe the hype: the Surface is an abject failure. They AREN'T SELLING. Have you ever seen one in public? Nope. But cue the people who will claim "I have one" or "we all use them at work". Sure you do.
    • just because surface users don't spend their days in starbucks doesn't mean there aren't any

      • Forget Starbucks. Go to an office building. The street. Ever seen one? I have seen them at NFL games, except they all want to get rid of them.
        • Actually yes, I've seen many of them. Surface Pros.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Actually yes, I've seen many of them. Surface Pros.

            as a microsoft employee you probably have a big pile of them stored in your cubicle

        • Doesn't the doorman stop you when you try to go into an office building? Or do you disguise yourself by carrying a broom?

        • I support Surface Pro2s and up at work. One client is an office that is running AutoDesk on Surface Pro 2/3 models.

          We also have a technical sale company that uses Surfaces for sales people and engineers.

          I don't care for them and find them to have a few quirks, but the users like them. Or they say that do after convincing their company to shell out the money for the Surface and dock.

          One thing we did get complaints about is the decrease in battery life of a Surface Pro 4 compared to a Pro 3.

        • I have never seen one "in the wild", personally.

          • I have never seen one "in the wild", personally.

            I have never seen an elephant in the wild. Therefore, they must not exist.

    • Have you ever seen one in public?

      Yes, several, and not all of them owned by Microsoft employees.

    • I don't see iPads in public, either, though... people leave their tablets sitting on the coffee table gathering dust until they need to give the kids something to watch Moana on for a car trip.
      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        Sigh. Go to an indoor event and try and see it through the fucking forest of ipads being held up to photograph or video it.

        Trust me, I'd much rather people left them at home.

    • I believe the word you are looking for is "queue".

      This response was written on an SP4 with 16GB, which I use in my job to write code and share information. Yes, it runs Linux. Yes, it runs AmiDuos, meaning I can use pretty much any Android app as well. It's actually a much nicer machine than I expected it to be.
      • No, I think he means "cue". He's not asking people who claim to own a Surface to line up in a queue. He's signaling them, like an actor in a play, to begin speaking their lines.
    • Don't believe the hype: the Surface is an abject failure. They AREN'T SELLING.

      I'm sick of feeding your trolling but some idiot out there has too many mod points so:

      They aren't selling. They are ONLY providing MS with $1bn worth of revenue per quarter. I wish I could produce something that doesn't sell that bad.

      Have you ever seen one in public? Nope. But cue the people who will claim "I have one" or "we all use them at work". Sure you do.

      You're an idiot. /Posted from a Surface Pro 3.

  • by BenJeremy ( 181303 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:42AM (#54348507)

    The legal fiction being that you must use the accessibility tools - so upgrade and use the screen magnifier. There, you've satisfied the requirements.

    I remember saying, when they set a time limit on the "free upgrade" that it would be unenforceable...Microsoft doubled down on this when all their new Win10 releases accepted Windows 7 and 8.x Product keys. In theory, they could enforce it through activation, but they simply do not, and trying to enforce it on activation introduces a lot more (costly and operational) headaches for Microsoft.

    I can see them, however, expanding this idea that some hardware gets an extended period of upgrades, but the reality is that it's just a thought exercise.

    • Of course! They really want everyone using their spying, publicity-laden OS. The false deadline was only a device to scare people into upgrading before it was too late.
      This new Windows 10 S is just the first step into trying to force everyone into only using apps installed through their app store.
      I wish the "walled garden" model had never been invented.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Only question I have is when is Microsoft going to a annual Subscription Fee? That's the direction they seem to be headed they just haven't said when.

  • So you get a free upgrade from bullshit to slightly more full featured bullshit.

    Until they start making Enterprise readily available, this is all just handwaving.

    It's so frustrating... Apple has been pissing me off to no end with their hardware decisions, and yet Microsoft has *still* managed to piss me off so much more that I would rather pay the Apple Dongle/Dingleberry Tax than go back to Windows..

  • a clusterfuck of DontWant. From the locked-down hardware, the Microsoft appstore, the reboot-when-Microsoft-says, ads in the taskbar (and elsewhere), locked-down browser and search... it is indeed a big pile of shit.

  • After WindowsRT for the Surface tablet, you'd think MS learns its lesson. Now they are doing the same stupid mistake again.. all the while having to spend money and time to create windows 10S.... that's just begging for trouble!
  • Don't let the new Windows 10 S operating system stop you from buying a Surface Laptop this year.

    OK, I won't let Win 10S specifically stop me from buying a Surface. I'll let the presence of any form of Windows 10 stop me from buying it.

  • Free as in herpes right?

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