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After 19 Years CMU Discontinues Cyrus IMAP In Favor Of Microsoft Exchange And Gmail (cmu.edu) 72

Long-time Slashdot reader Hobart writes: The Cyrus IMAP server, created by and for Carnegie Mellon University, has lost support of its founding institution. As of last fall, they announced that student and faculty email will be run on Microsoft Exchange, or Google's Gmail suite of apps. The company FastMail seems to be the primary driver of Cyrus IMAPd software now, per their December blog post. Are any Slashdot readers migrating their Cyrus-based services, or are there compelling reasons to chose it over the competition?
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After 19 Years CMU Discontinues Cyrus IMAP In Favor Of Microsoft Exchange And Gmail

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  • I already left.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Ostrich25 ( 544788 ) on Saturday May 06, 2017 @04:38PM (#54368951)
    I migrated off Cyrus years ago (to Dovecot) because for my small installation needs, Cyrus was obscenely overcomplicated. I also hate Cyrus SASL with the heat of a thousand suns.
    • I agree with this. I have installed & maintained some largish Cyrus installations (10,000 - 20,000 mail boxes). It works well but is complicated. Dovecot is what I have used for my more modest recent uses.

    • by mi ( 197448 )

      I agree, that SASL is stupid, but I only had to set it up once... I've been a happy user of the IMAP-server for many years now — and the configuration I created originally remains valid and "just works" with the latest versions of the software.

      Frankly, I think it is insane to trust e-mail to proprietary software for which you do not have sources... MS Exchange?!? Eeww...

    • by Ded Bob ( 67043 )

      Cyrus IMAP works well for me. Setup was not particularly easy, but once I got past that, it has been solid. This is for my personal domain, so I cannot speak of larger installations.

      Somehow, I doubt Carnegie Mellon had an issue with finding someone that knows Cyrus well. ;)

    • by UPi ( 137083 )

      Similar story here. I used UW IMAP server and migrated to Dovecot when support for it was dropped by Debian. I tried Cyrus briefly. I don't remember what the exact issues were, I recall not being able to tweak the configuration to mimic UW's operation closely enough. Don't cite me on this, first because I'm completely unciteworthy and second because this happened years ago and my memories of it have faded some.

      I love IMAP and use it exclusively for my e-mail servers. I can connect with multiple clients on m

    • by nyet ( 19118 )

      Agree. Dovecot works great.

    • Ended up with a circular dependency with Cyrus that prevented recompilation. Also went to Dovecot. Apologies to jgm
  • by Anonymous Coward

    no one ever got fired for buying Microsoft

    RIP

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Saturday May 06, 2017 @05:06PM (#54369017)

    IMAP server support continues. The sole remaining developer, Darrin, recently attempted to escape - but he was quickly apprehended by UW Police and returned to his closet.

  • if you are thinking exclusively about money and nothing else. -_-

    • "My hand is in your wallet" - Andrew Carnegie

      A commonly seen play on the actual quote "My heart is in the work" at CMU during my years there.

  • So... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cheesybagel ( 670288 ) on Saturday May 06, 2017 @05:15PM (#54369059)

    Which administrator is getting the kickback from Microsoft for this particular choice?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Could very well be nobody did. Like a certain other university I could mention, they might've hired "business managers" to make the university run more like a "business", which to such small minds means that every computer must run windows and all other software must come from the same vendor. "Standardisation", see?

      • by Miser ( 36591 )

        Very true. And those MBA "business managers" probably never heard of nor can they spell IMAP.

    • by awtbfb ( 586638 )
      Exchange is needed by specific units but most are going to Gmail and the shift was inevitable. A vast majority of the students prefer Gmail over IMAP and usually forward their mail to Gmail anyway. Similar trends are visible in the junior staff and faculty.
  • Today people need more than email and calendar, Skype, and meeting options.

    Unfortunately, the community defined the imap standard IEEE but no calendar and meeting and freebusy functionality so MS defined the standard instead.

    Email might be fine for student uses but is incompatible for the needs of staff.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I'm glad you don't live in my universe.

    • I hope you are trolling. If not, have you heard about nextcloud? No need to be Faust just because you want modern facilities. There are open source alternatives to mail, calendar, online docs, cloud storage and pretty much anything else. If you sell your soul to the Devil, you do so because you want to. Not because you need to.
      • by Dr. Evil ( 3501 )

        Ugh.

        The fork of Owncloud?

        I heard of Owncloud about 5 years ago after I gave up on CalDav to replace Gmail as a solution which would allow me to do calendaring and scheduling, contacts, notes etc. on my phone and my desktop.

        My friends who were once enthusiastic about running Owncloud eventually gave up on it as a buggy mess and stopped talking about it. E.g. https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox/issues/514 [github.com]

        I asked around about an "Owncloud hosted environment", hoping maybe a service maintained

        • AFAIK, OwnCloud was forked by the original developers, after some policy disagreements with greedy investors. I was skeptical, but after listening to a FLOSS weekly pod-cast about nextcloud, I'm actually quite exited about the project. The version of OwnCloud shipped with Debian stable has been rock solid to me for years. For hosted OwnCloud, there are many alternatives: https://owncloud.org/providers... [owncloud.org]. The same goes for nextcloud: https://nextcloud.com/provider... [nextcloud.com]. Thunderbird works well with standard IM
          • by Dr. Evil ( 3501 )

            It might have been too early in OwnCloud's life to find the hosted providers. I'm glad to see they're out there now and have some geographic diversity.

            IMAP isn't the issue for Linux. It's interoperable calendaring and scheduling, contacts, etc, etc. which have been the issue. The summary leaves out this important detail from their decision: ".. have transitioned to Exchange providing an integrated solution with mobile support and advanced scheduling functionality"

            The organizational issues such as "w

  • I've been running Courier IMAPd since 2003 for just my personal email. I think I picked it because it was simple to configure. It's been running just fine ever since. If I were providing email service to a large group of users, I would want to evaluate different options, but it's been rock solid for my use.

    • Many years ago, I administered the Courier mail suite for a company that hosted emails for lots of local businesses. I wrote a few small programs to simplify domain and use management, and it was really a pleasure to use (http://products.jgaa.com/?menu=566).
  • by manu0601 ( 2221348 ) on Saturday May 06, 2017 @07:58PM (#54369467)
    With many institutions moving to MS and Google cloud mail service, it seems we head toward a dangerous monoculture, or duoculture, at least.
  • And for most people, it means either GMail or Exchange. They both have their trade-offs, but they both get the job done. Open source e-mail software still has a place on the back-end, but it's incapable of providing the sort of collaboration platform people expect (for good reasons) in 2017.
  • Not quite dead yet (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mostly a lurker ( 634878 ) on Saturday May 06, 2017 @10:48PM (#54369891)

    While FastMail is based on Cyrus IMAP, and is providing resources for its development and documentation, I think it is to early to declare Cyrus completely finished. In terms of collaboration features, the addition of CardDAV and CalDAV support a few years ago helped somewhat. Lack of its own file sharing tools is a serious limitation, but FastMail has managed a degree of integration with Dropbox.

    Hold off on a variation of the dead parrot sketch for the time being!!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    my achy breaky client

    I just don't think he'd understand

  • by nyet ( 19118 ) on Sunday May 07, 2017 @02:22AM (#54370191) Homepage

    Exchange IMAP performance is atrocious, not to mention completely broken from a standards point of view.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      This is probably by design. Microsoft hates mail. Actually they hate standard-compliant everything.

    • Yes, but Exchange everything is atrocious, so users quickly become accustomed to it.

      Exchange: Managing user expectations since 1993.

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