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Lyft And Waymo Announce They'll Collaborate On Self-Driving Cars (nbcnews.com) 49

An anonymous reader quotes NBC: In the race to the self-driving future, Lyft has agreed to work with Waymo, the self-driving car company owned by Google's parent company, to bring autonomous vehicles to the masses, both companies told NBC News on Sunday night. The announcement comes as Waymo has accused Lyft's biggest competitor, Uber, of stealing trade secrets from the company to advance its own self-driving operation...
Both companies issued gushy statements about their new partners. Lyft said Waymo "holds today's best self-driving technology, and collaborating with them will accelerate our shared vision of improving lives with the world's best transportation." And Waymo applauded Lyft's "vision and commitment to improving the way cities move", saying it would help their technology "reach more people, in more places."

Lyft And Waymo Announce They'll Collaborate On Self-Driving Cars

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    This is just poking Uber in the eye.
    If they were Microsoft, they would be throwing chairs. Except Google actually has the capability to hurt Uber, whereas Microsoft had nothing.
  • by hughbar ( 579555 ) on Monday May 15, 2017 @04:46AM (#54417167) Homepage
    I wonder why no-one thinks about this, the car is always connected to the network. So someone can probably take over your car and drive you to the police station. That is a better outcome, anyway, than driving you to the outskirts, robbing and shooting you.

    Of course, the cars will be fully protected from this kind of behaviour, firewalls, virus protection until something sneaks in through the entertainment system. In other words, fully protected, until it isn't, business as usual.

    Just thought I'd mention this, with the ransomware thing, it's been that kind of week.
    • SSSHHH you're supposed to pretend self driving has been solved when you post here.
      • by hughbar ( 579555 )
        Yes, sorry. I'm getting really old and forgetful. I'll need my self-driving car to remember where I need to go, real soon now.
    • The dangers of 'self-driving' = dealership only service even for lights and oil changes Maybe even tires as well!

      • The dangers of 'self-driving' = dealership only service even for lights and oil changes Maybe even tires as well!

        Who cares? I have as much interest in servicing my car as I do in tinkering with my fridge. None.

        I'm sure you'll be allowed to play around with cars as a hobby if you really enjoy it.

        • hobby what about paying $150 for basic oil change at dealer when there is no jiffy lube to keep them in check.
          Paying $100 for a light change as that is the dealership min fee for service.
          $150-$200 to change an battery? you can change it own your own but that may trigger battery suicide mode that can void your warranty just like capcom did in the past.

      • How does a computer being able to turn the steering wheel prevent me from changing it's oil in the driveway when it's turned off?

    • I wonder why no-one thinks about this, the car is always connected to the network. So someone can probably take over your car and drive you to the police station. That is a better outcome, anyway, than driving you to the outskirts, robbing and shooting you...

      I recently moved to a different county, where it seems that everyone drives the exact speed limit. In every lane.

      Normally I'm not prone to becoming frustrated and angry behind the wheel, but as I sit there unable to pass anyone in the left lane, I started to wonder....is this bullshit what is to be expected when autonomous cars start to take over? Computers programmed to never exceed the speed limit, and drive in a sane controlled manner all the time?

      Not saying that doesn't make sense, especially as not

      • A thousand times this. If self driving as it is today (rule-based) becomes the norm, we will forever be driving behind a grey haired old lady.
        • by Anonymous Coward

          A thousand times this. If self driving as it is today (rule-based) becomes the norm, we will forever be driving behind a grey haired old lady.

          Yeah but you'll be sleeping or watching a movie, so it woin't matter.

          • There will be many people who will have to drive behind and around these vehicles. What kind of self involved moron will be happy to watch a movie while there is a lineup of 10 cars behind them?
            • I believe the AC's point is that the people in all 11 cars can watch a movie.

              A couple of other points:

              1. The passing lane is the passing lane. It's not for cruising in, and if someone passes you on the right and they're not driving like a crazy person, in many jurisdictions you'll be the one ticketed, not them. That means if self driving cars are following the rules, they're not going to be cruising in the passing lane, for exactly the same reason that they're not going to be breaking the speed limit.

              • But my point is that it will be 200 years before all 11 people are in an automated car. Also, it's not likely that I am going to find my time in the car that productive since I don't really have anywhere to go that is the length of a movie and I would prefer to do my watching at home anyway. Since my purpose of using the car is to get somewhere, I would like it to continue my manually driven car objective of just trying to get me where I need to go as quickly as possible. I don't have a problem with peop
    • If self driving cars can be hacked it will basically be all your fault for being cool with allowing your entertainment system to be on the same network as the the control system. Same thing with having an insecure unvetted system that is subject to auto updates. I mean the whole system is closed, what if someone malicious works at Tesla? Is code that runs the control system subject to independent review/audit? Anybody give a shit?

      • by hughbar ( 579555 )
        That's the reason I mentioned the entertainment system, this has 'probably' happened for in-flight: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05... [cnn.com] so why not cars? Easy mitigation/prevention of course, but hey, that's extra work that cuts into profits.
      • There's an easy way to avoid making self driving cars that are hacked, and that's to use software that's tried and tested, rather than installing whatever the latest technology is. For example, I would use Windows XP, rather than trying to build a computer based upon Windows 10. The latter has new bugs being introduced all the time.

        I would also use the simplest protocols. For example, rather than the latest greatest file transfer protocols which are pretty much guaranteed to have bugs, I would just use X

        • The only way to be secure is to remove all extraneous code. For an automated car, the GUI in windows XP is extraneous. Supporting every device is extraneous. It is much better to go with something like openbsd where every line of code can realistically be reviewed and scrutinized.
          • by hughbar ( 579555 )
            So agree. However, that message needs to go towards the manufacturers. I hope this week will be something of a wake-up too.
  • Now we know where all the anti-Uber "stories" come from: the multibillion dollar Lyft corporation backed by GM, and Waymo backed by Google.
    • Or, it could come from the people at Uber being complete fucking assholes, and assholery at the top of famous darling corps always eventually gets reported on.

      But yeah, I'm sure it's your Google - GM conspiracy. Better adjust the tinfoil hat, buddy.

  • Will Lyft (and Uber) continue to operate on a contract basis, expecting individual contractors (since they're not drivers, perhaps they need to be called "investors?") to purchase their own self-driving cars to use with the service? Or will these companies purchase their own vehicles and get into the actual service business themselves? I personally think the ideal situation in the future is the complete elimination of personal vehicle ownership, but since I don't see that happening, allowing people to dir

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