Facebook Enabled Advertisers To Reach 'Jew Haters' (propublica.org) 253
ProPublica is reporting that Facebook "enabled advertisers to direct their pitches to the news feeds of almost 2,300 people who expressed interest in the topics of 'Jew hater,' 'How to burn jews,' or, 'History of why jews ruin the world.'" The organization even went so far as to test these ad categories by paying $30 to target those groups with three "promoted posts" -- in which a ProPublica article or post was displayed in their news feeds. Facebook reportedly approved all three ads within 15 minutes. From the report: After we contacted Facebook, it removed the anti-Semitic categories -- which were created by an algorithm rather than by people -- and said it would explore ways to fix the problem, such as limiting the number of categories available or scrutinizing them before they are displayed to buyers. In all likelihood, the ad categories that we spotted were automatically generated because people had listed those anti-Semitic themes on their Facebook profiles as an interest, an employer or a "field of study." Facebook's algorithm automatically transforms people's declared interests into advertising categories. [ProPublica provides a screenshot of their ad buying process on the company's advertising portal.]
"There are times where content is surfaced on our platform that violates our standards," said Rob Leathern, product management director at Facebook. "In this case, we've removed the associated targeting fields in question. We know we have more work to do, so we're also building new guardrails in our product and review processes to prevent other issues like this from happening in the future."
"There are times where content is surfaced on our platform that violates our standards," said Rob Leathern, product management director at Facebook. "In this case, we've removed the associated targeting fields in question. We know we have more work to do, so we're also building new guardrails in our product and review processes to prevent other issues like this from happening in the future."
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Halal meat, burqas for the missuses, AK-47s for the budget-conscious.
Re:There must be money in it (Score:5, Funny)
False alarm, everyone. They were targeting "Jew hatters" and were looking for a distributor for their yarmulkes.
(rolls eyes) goyim.
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Tiki torches?
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Only in your mind. But I'm guessing "how to beat your wife for not wearing a burka, and making sure it doesn't show in public" is a hot seller among jew haters, especially in the EU, Canada and Australia. Along with 23 reasons why Jews are less then dogs(quite popular with the imam crowd -- going by their rants). And "slavery for fun and profit, what do do with your sex slave when she's been passed around 283 times." Which is apparently popular with the ISIS loving caliphate, and girls who run off there
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Three ways to target that particular group:
- exploit them
- educate them
- exclude them
All of them can be done maliciously or for good purposes.
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I can see how exclusion could possible be both good or malicious but the other two not so much.
Malicious education isn't really education at all anymore, we have other words for that: lies, propaganda, brainwashing, gaslighting.
Exploitation by its very nature is well exploitative. You are turning someone eases efforts to your objectives and not theirs. Which you fundamentally have no right to do unless you want to talk about "useful idiots" and ends justifying the means. Which generally does not fly with
Ever noticed how (Score:2)
Twitter, Facebook, Google and other companies keep blaming some sir or madamn called "algorithm" for everything they do wrong these days?
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It's because Al Gore (ithm) invented the internet.
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So it's yet another -ism? In this case the Al-Gore-ism?
Is that when you start talking nonsense and produce mostly hot air?
And I know there's some AGW joke in there somewhere, too, but I'm in AlGoreism mode now. Someone else is gonna take care of it, I already pointed it out. Now I think I should write a book about it.
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Twitter, Facebook, Google and other companies keep blaming some sir or madamn called "algorithm" for everything they do wrong these days?
I thought
"There are times where content is surfaced on our platform that violates our standards," said Rob Leathern, product management director at Facebook. "In this case, we've removed the associated targeting fields in question. We know we have more work to do, so we're also building new guardrails in our product and review processes to prevent other issues like this from happening in the future."
was corporatese for "an intern did it".
The money shot (Score:5, Interesting)
The devil is in the details:
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Yeah, and it's those damn (((developers))) that come up with them algorithms.
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Discrimination (Score:2)
Aah, discrimination: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
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"After we contacted Facebook, it removed the anti-Semitic categories -- which were created by an algorithm rather than by people"
On FB even the algorithms are Nazis, that's what we can expect from AI.
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Finally a way to target those vaginal douches to the most deserving audience.
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So removing that category also removed them from existence and removes their profile data?
That straw man is old and tired. If a hotel bans prostitutes from plying their trade in the hotel, the hotel staff doesn't have the illusion that they are ending prostitution, they just don't want to be associated with prostitution.
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Facebook is just providing a category to advertisers here. It doesn't mean at all they will allow hate speech to appear in ads. And if they do, this is another but completely unrelated matter.
TFA goes on and on about how they are outraged because they were able to submit an acceptable ad to be seen by unacceptable people. If it means that "jew haters" shouldn't be able to get ads, by all means, make me a Nazi.
Removing the category also prevent anti hate speech organizations from targeting the people they wa
Studying vs Practicing (Score:2)
Well .... (Score:2)
Don't Major Corporations Ever Learn? (Score:2)
If you create content by a purely random process, or else get content through user input (which is like random, only malicious and sick), you must filter out the objectionable material that is guaranteed to be there! Remember Tay, Microsoft's Nazi Teen Chat Bot? [theverge.com].
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eric cartman
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Why do I feel like 4chan figured out how their algorithms work and did this to troll FB?
I have no idea. There are so many jew hating nut bags polluting the Internet that it isn't the least bit surprising that an ad targeting system generated these categories. Another thing that doesn't cause me even the slightest surprise is that Facebook had to have this pointed out to them; have no doubt that every other conceivable identity group has automated protection already built-in. The only question that might hold a little interest is just how high up the Facebook chain of command did this issue have to go before it reached someone that understood this to be a problem.
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I don't think there are actually that many jew-hating nutbags, but the opportunity anonymnity presents encourages and amplifies their hooting and hollering.
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I don't think there are actually that many jew-hating nutbags, but the opportunity anonymnity presents encourages and amplifies their hooting and hollering.
Also, many don't actually hate Jews (and certainly not all Jews), but they like the outrage that generates and do it for the lulz.
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Why do you assume that education will reduce hate?
I hate the Mormon church because of what I've seen it do, and researching it's history. It is precisely because of education that I despise it. The same can be said of Islam. It is barbaric.
It is arrogant in the extreme to assume that all "hate" is irrational, and that you can educate people out of it. When it comes to some topics, hate is entirely rational.
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This idea cracks me up every time I see it.
Of course the obvious problem is WHAT you teach and WHO is teaching it. If the school is run by radical Jihadists, then the whole "education" thing isn't going to work out like you think.
It also smacks of "Communist re-education camps".
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Of course the obvious problem is WHAT you teach and WHO is teaching it. If the school is run by radical Jihadists, then the whole "education" thing isn't going to work out like you think.
The ideal goal of education is to have the curriculum and the educator as unbiased as realistically possible. The more bias they have, the more that education strays towards propaganda and indoctrination.
I might trust a jihadist teacher with lessons on Algebra, but certainly not for sociology, history, or religion.
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In countries with severe censorship, the rumor mill allows fringe ideas to spread rapidly, and they are more easily believed because nobody believes the official denials of the authorities. So, if you are calling for censorship, we already know from experience that your plan won't work. To confirm what I'm saying, all you have to do is look at the extremely paranoid theories about Jews held by Muslims living under authoritarian governments.
Keep in mind that all the great scientific theories were once fringe ideas. Your notion that an idea should be suppressed merely because few hold it would bring a halt to scientific development.
I think it is only fair to point out that hatred is a two-way street, and if you find members of group X hating group Y, you inevitably find members of group Y hating group X.
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In countries with severe censorship, the rumor mill allows fringe ideas to spread rapidly, and they are more easily believed because nobody believes the official denials of the authorities. So, if you are calling for censorship, we already know from experience that your plan won't work. To confirm what I'm saying, all you have to do is look at the extremely paranoid theories about Jews held by Muslims living under authoritarian governments.
Most of those Muslim authoritarian governments find great political and moral advantage to those Jewish theories because blaming an 'other' is a time-tested technique to boost your own strength. Most of those theories are spread with the support of, not in spite of, those authoritarian governments.
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We need a new legal framework to ensure that our internet gatekeepers present a balanced view to avoid the spreading of fringe ideas
No, we don't. I hate the fringe nutbags and dumbshit racists just as much as anyone else, but the moment you invoke the idea of "legal frameworks" as a solution to speech (or, god forbid, thought) you've taken the first step down a slippery slope from which we will never, ever recover. Legislating speech or behavior will inevitably lead to an abuse of that power, with all of us paying the price.
The way to deal with hate is for decent people at all levels to lead by example, and to stand up to hate and refus
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Let me guess. You are a euro socialist or one of These Soros victims.
I love the George Soros conspiracy theories. Hard right-wingers seriously believe the guy is some sort of all-powerful anti-Christ.
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I'm interested in the topic of Jew hating and belong to groups like "Exposing the Rothschilds", where some members hate Jews and some wonder if we shouldn't be hating Jews. It doesn't mean that I personally hate Jews.
No, but it might mean that you're a bit too close to the topic to have an unbiased opinion on the subject. But really, if we're both honest, it probably means that you're another one of jew-hating nutbags.
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That's fine as long as you realize that some of these targets don't necessarily represent all of us. Some of us are equally disgusted by them and what kind of nonsense they preach and try to propagate.
Our influence overall is quite positive even if there are some of us trying hard to ruin it for everyone.
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If you hate somebody, and you're not a disgusting bigot, and the person you hate is religious, you're not even talking about their religion and nobody listening to your declaration of hatred would even learn what religion the person is because it wouldn't have had any reason to come up.
You're just an anti-Semite, there is no checkbox loophole where you still get to be a decent person. You're just a despicable bigot who takes time to set up red herrings and strawmen as bigot shelters.
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It doesn't mean that I personally hate Jews.
It does, it just also means you're not confident enough to admit it even when you've already made it obvious.
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Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.
Do you know of a software library that automatically detects all forms of hate (in all languages) within human communication, without fail? Care to provide any sources or citations as to how that software works, or even where to find it?
No, didn't think so.
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Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.
So my ads based on the phrase "I hate housework!" should be prohibited?
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Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.
So my ads based on the phrase "I hate housework!" should be prohibited?
They certainly shouldn't be automatically generated.
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Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.
So my ads based on the phrase "I hate housework!" should be prohibited?
They certainly shouldn't be automatically generated.
What about ads for "The pharmaceutical industry hates this one weird trick anyone can do to have better health!"
Maybe a bad example.
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> Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical. I'm sure "Facebook hater" was already blocked from generating an ad.
You mean like hating Nazis or monopolies or patent trolls?
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Nice try but left wing progressives don't hate Jews and many Jews are left wing progressives. You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state, most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.
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but left wing progressives don't hate Jews .... Israeli blah blah
No, it's Jews. All kinds of left wing groupthinkers (and others) are anti semites. Helen Thomas, Sharpton, Gibson, Oliver Stone, the whole Sheen clan, Assange. All sorts. They get caught in polite company or recorded somehow and then cop-out with the "I meant Israel" line, but they were talking about Jews when they unzipped their fly. The "It's not Jews, it's Israel" line is transparent and you should probably quit playing that card; it only calls you out as the left wing bigot you are.
And no, the f
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Except for the fact the Irish had a country there first.
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Actually, no, they didn't. Not even according to their own origin fable. Even if you want to go back to literally biblical times, it was not their country, they took it from someone with force (sorry, "the lord" did to give it to them. Odd that an omnipotent being required humans to do his dirty work, though).
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But we did get some good songs out of it, like "Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho".
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This'll be why the Israeli media in the run-up to the last election was telling US Jews to vote Republican because the Democrats are full of anti-semites.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/T... [jpost.com]
"Blumenthal Sr. is a proud father. He regularly shared his son’s ravings with Clinton, and she shared his delight. In eight separate emails over the course of her tenure in office, Clinton enthusiastically praised his Jew-hating propaganda."
But, hey, SJWs always lie.
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It's interesting how quickly some Jews here in America forget their more recent pasts, on the receiving end of similar abuses in Europe and elsewhere. The state of Israel is harsh towards the Palestinians
It's interesting that you don't see the second half of the first sentence as a reason against the second.
Germans didn't hate Jews, some Germans did.
Jews don't mistreat Palestinians, some Israelis do.
Just as I'll happily condemn Nazi behaviour towards Jews, I'll happily condemn Israeli behaviour towards Palestinians.
As Bestweasel highlights, that's not anti-semitism.
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Forced displacement, murder and confiscation of property is forced consolidation, murder and confiscation of property.
Nazis by another name.
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You might as well just quote the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for reasons to be antisemitic!
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WND is a known propaganda mill.
0/10 trolling there
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I've seen the suggestion that facism is left-wing espoused a few times recently.
I find it kind of bewildering. Who really gives a shit whether it's left wing or right wing: it's a bad thing, and don't do it.
Doesn't really matter what you label yourself as politically, if you're advocating genocide then you're a cunt.
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I'm sorry, you missed my point completely.
I don't give a fuck whether you label fascism left or right. Nobody lied to me, they ascribed it to some made up label they like to use to demonise people.
The political alignment of fascism on an arbitrary linear scale says fuck all about anybody else you align to that scale. It merely means that someone's put them on a line.
If someone espouses fascist ideals and tries to implement them, that's something you can challenge. Until then, they're not supporting fascism
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You appear to have extremist and delusional views.
The average "progressive" hates Jews more than the Daily Stormer.
Hyperbole, although I'll have to trust your interpretation of the Daily Stormer.
The vast majority of those "actions" never happened
Really? Your cherry picked list of actions that maybe didn't happen may even be accurate, but please, don't go pretending that Israel is some holier than thou actor here.
Israel shells Palestinian civilian territories, they repeatedly invade those territories, they do illegally occupy them (argue with international law all you fucking like, it's illegal occupation) and do commit c
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Most of the hatred of Jews is actually based on their ethnicity and not their religion.
Yeah, I hate that. Makes it much much harder to mock their shitty superstitions.
Except face-to-face. I've yet to meet someone following the Jewish faith that doesn't respond to teasing and derision about their faith with good humour, and many of them don't need prompting. Makes them very easy to get on with.
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Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews.
For different reasons, of course... but it's one thing that they can both agree on.
For what though, not being extreme enough? There are prominent Jews on both the left and the right, some of whom are pretty far toward those extremes.
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Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews.
For different reasons, of course... but it's one thing that they can both agree on.
For what though, not being extreme enough?
The extreme left hates the Jews for reasons of Israel's Zionism, the taking of Muslim lands to create and expand a Jewish state, and of course... that a state would be "Jewish" in the first place. Really, left-wing opposition is more opposition to Israel than it is to "Jews" in general, though supporters of the state of Israel like the ADL find it convenient to conflate the two.
The extreme right hates the Jews for reasons of traditional racism, the theories of Jews controlling the money supply, Jews control
Re: In other words (Score:2, Interesting)
Yes, the Left are practically entitled to wear haloes, because you sez so.
You wouldn't happen to be on the left, would you??
Re:In other words (Score:4, Insightful)
You obviously do not have a Jewish child at a UC.
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Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments. Christians and Muslims are prohibited by their respective religious texts from engaging in usury and for a lot of the last few hundred years this meant that the only people who made money by lending money (and, therefore, the only people that you could get a loan from) were Jews. This was inshrined in law in a lot of Europe: Christians and Muslims were prohibited not just by their faith, but by the legal system, from charging interest.
It's no accident that the enemy of the Party in Nineteen Eighty-Four had a Jewish name: Jews were seen as the enemies of socialism (and the Party, like the USSR, still claimed to be socialist in spite of having few traits in common with socialism).
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Regards to 1984, it's because the book is about Stalinism and the figure of hate is a cipher for Trotsky.
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Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments
Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing. Or the current crop of anti-semites who are also decidedly right wing (Sorry, but nowhere has HAMAS said they want justice and social harmony for Palestinians, their main goal is simply the destruction of Israel, same with Iran as theocracy centralises power, not distributes wealth. Both Iran and Palestine have capitalist systems firmly in place as the place was a centre of trade for millennia before the US even existed).
Dont confuse people being anti-Jewish with being anti-Bankers. They're quite happy to accept white bankers.
Proper leftists have no issues with Jews, Antisemitism tends to be linked to extremist nationalism, which is firmly on the extreme right.
It's no accident that the enemy of the Party in Nineteen Eighty-Four had a Jewish name: Jews were seen as the enemies of socialism (and the Party, like the USSR, still claimed to be socialist in spite of having few traits in common with socialism).
It helps if you read Nineteen Eighty-Four before commenting on it. The society in 1984 (for brevity's sake) still used money (although there were shortages of almost everything). The idea behind IngSoc is that it was neither English, nor Socialist. Pretty sure George Orwell used those exact words in the novel 1984. You see 1984 was a diatribe against Nazi Facism, it centred on the theme of an institutionalised class structure (inner party members -> outer party members -> Proles) with each cast receiving fewer rights than the one above it, institutionalised surveillance and government control as well extreme nationalism and the perpetual war that comes along with it. The use of the Jewish name Goldstein, was just to link it to Nazism and their Antisemitism and the fact that National Socialism has nothing to do with Socialism as we define it.
Orwell left thinly veiled cues of the society he was ripping off in names, for example in Animal Farm, his diatribe against Stalinist Communism he used Trotsky pigs as the farm animal's leaders in reference to Leon Trotsky who was an early Communist party member under Lenin and who Stalin had killed when he took power after Lenins death.
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One about to go on a helicopter ride.
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Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.
If you believe this, then you really have a very shallow grasp of history. Persecuting Jews was a popular pastime in Europe for a long time before the Nazis came along. Read The Merchant of Venice sometime to get a feel for how Jews were perceived in Shakespeare's time. Even the term Pogrom predate the Nazis by a good 40-50 years. The two largest groups that have actively persecuted Jews are Catholics and Muslims. Nazis don't even beat Russians in terms of the number of people doing the persecuting or the number of Jews killed.
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Proper leftists have no issues with Jews, Antisemitism tends to be linked to extremist nationalism, which is firmly on the extreme right.
The No True Scotsman defense of leftists I see. It's not the proper left, it's all the rest that are the problem.
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Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments
Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.
Yes they were (right wing), but no not by any means the largest antisemitic group in history.
That group would be Orthodox Christianity which has been stridently antisemitic since at least the late second century.
It seems the break-up between Judaism, the religion of every original follower of Jesus, and Christianity being a separate religion was a messy one with a lot of bad blood.The earliest account of Jesus' life is the Gospel of Mark, written decades after the fact, and records a negative memory of Jews
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Jews like to make trouble and revolt against their imperial overlords. This is in stark contrast to "Palestinians" and the Ottoman Empire. The whole reason the Jews spread to the wind is because the Romans finally got fed up. At that point, you probably didn't want to identify as a Jew. It probably even made sense for you to hate on them just to demonstrate how much of a non-Jew you were.
The Gospels pretty much evolve based on political realities in the Empire.
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In reality, it's really tribalism. Jews are one of the oldest surviving "tribes" that still hold a cohesive connection with their ancient past. The Talmudic customs and rituals extend further back than most people can really comprehend; past Babylon, probably into Sumerian time periods. In modern humans, tribalism (IMHO) is linked deeply with "the fear of others), which itself is a remnant of the VERY ancient past with there were multiple human species roaming the earth.
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Left-wing antisemitism exists and was partly spurred by the situation in Palestine. Not just for left-wing radicals, also for more moderate voices some of Israel's policies appear to be fairly fascist, for example Israel occasionally operates political assassination squads like 2010 in Dubai. Some of these critiques are unfortunately incapable of distinguishing between governments and ethnic groups, hence the antisemitism. That being said, right-wing antisemitism is certainly stronger overall. It's basicall
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It's more useful to talk about "totalitarian" and less useful to talk about "left" and "right".
Basically, it doesn't go left right (those were just two sides of the house), but rather, "up" and "down" in terms of, what level of compassion.
Me, my family, my clan, my group, my empire/religion, my nation, my humanity, my planet.
The "circle of compassion" gradually extends further and further, especially in the methods advocated.
Too many religions act like empires, and are basically colonialist.
Humanism, proper
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The only claim I have seen making the case that Karl Marx was not an anti-Semite says that he was not saying that Jews were evil...just that self-identifying as Jewish was evil.
Marx, of course, was himself Jewish. This would make him a self-hating Jew, which is quite a different stereotype than a anti-Semite.
You might want to read Karl Marx's book "On The Jewish Question".
And you might want to as well, since you're citing it without having read it.
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Now don't take me wrong, I myself am quite left wing even by German standards, but actually yes, at least the German left still seriously dislikes the Jews and hides it under "Israel criticism". Even back in the day our very own (I admit, saying "our" would not be correct since they were West German and I am not) left wing domestic terrorist organisation RAF was trained by and worked with Palestinian terrorists. The best example for that collaboration would be the LH Flight 181 hijacking by the PFLP, who de
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Perhaps you are an idiot.
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Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks.
That was in the time of Nazism. Now that the left is changing its cultural allegiance from Karl Marx to Muhammad ibn Wahhab, Rosa Luxemburg would no longer be welcome at her own barricades:
http://www.newsweek.com/gay-pr... [newsweek.com]
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Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks.
Quite the level of bullshit there. On the left it's called BDS, and is the veneer of leftist antisemitism wrapped up in a palatable package. A single trip to a university like the University of Toronto is enough to show just how much of a lie that statement is. Not only do they embrace it, they encourage and bring out bigotry that's akin out of 1939. You can even see it within political parties in the EU. There isn't a subtle shift if "israeli to jewish" it's right there that BDS is to go after the jew
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Try being pro Israel in leftist circles. The left tends not to support genocide.
The right tends to be the ones wanting to give Israel weapons and handjobs.
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They are the ones who accuse Israel of taking Palestinian land [...]
Accuse? Just accuse??? Israel has a long history of stealing Palestinian land and abusing Palestinians in general. This goes far beyond unsupported accusations; these crimes are well recorded, widely condemned, and a shameful stain on the state of Israel. Calling this Antisemitism says more about the speaker than the accused.
[...] and don't want Israel to even exist.
Reality is far more nuanced than this propaganda association. This kind of linking is what makes the current Israeli government such a dreary bunch of whiners. Even the mildest critique on the behaviour of Israel is immediately labeled as antisemitism.
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> The difference is that the anti-Seimites on the right don't want Jews to exist at all. The ones on the left just don't want Jews to exist in Israel. That's quite a big difference!
When you consider recent history, that's on real difference at all. Muslims have half the planet they can feel comfortable in. The Jews can't really count on assimilating anywhere.
"Anti-Zionism" manifests as blatant anti-semitism. This is very true in Europe and is also true in the US.
Nazi Germany should be a big clue about th
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Palestinians are also Semites. Why are you trying to marginalize them and lie about their cultural background? Is it politically inconvenient for Israel to admit that both were promised separate lands, and Israel occupies much of Philistine, and all of Judea, in addition to Israel? Everybody involved are Semites. Anti-Semitism is a totally different problem that doesn't even share a border with the political and cultural issues plaguing the Holy Land.
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All this shows is that you (luckily) don't know any genuine "hitlerist" nazis. But there are plenty of them.
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Funny, after the holocaust there were no jews in germany. Somehow there are still millions of palestinians. That's a very ineffective genocide you accuse Israelis off.
Also, regarding the "killed more than the nazis" part, for this to be true, Israel needs to kill 234.833659491 every day. Considering the facts we have no death camps, it is impossible to reach that daily number.
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If BLM proponents have any brains left, the very LAST thing they want is the police to take a step back and drop their guns.
Because who will be left with guns? Well, those who own it illegally and NRA members.
And now let's ponder what history and recent events tell us how either of them views black people. I leave the answer to this to BLM proponents.