Wine 3.0 Released (softpedia.com) 153
prisoninmate shares a report from Softpedia: The Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) project has been updated today to version 3.0, a major release that ends 2017 in style for the open-source compatibility layer capable of running Windows apps and games on Linux-based and UNIX-like operating systems. Almost a year in the works, Wine 3.0 comes with amazing new features like an Android driver that lets users run Windows apps and games on Android-powered machines, Direct3D 11 support enabled by default for AMD Radeon and Intel GPUs, AES encryption support on macOS, Progman DDE support, and a task scheduler. In addition, Wine 3.0 introduces the ability to export registry entries with the reg.exe tool, adds various enhancements to the relay debugging and OLE data cache, as well as an extra layer of event support in MSHTML, Microsoft's proprietary HTML layout engine for the Windows version of the Internet Explorer web browser. You can read the full list of features and download Wine 3.0 from WineHQ's website.
Awesome (Score:4, Funny)
I'm off to play some GTA Vice City under Wine on Mint.
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But it still won't reliably run MSWind95/98 programs. It'll run some of them, but not others.
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When they first started out their announcement said they intended to become a working replacement for Windows95. I was quite disappointed when they started tracking MSWindows versions rather than finishing compatibility.
Soo, which version of Windows is 100% implemented? (Score:1)
Any?
Yes, you prioritize that which most applications actually used by users need the most. That is good.
But I still would like to see at least *one* version be at 100%, so I can be certain that (ignoring bugs), *everything* will work. WinXP would spring to mind.
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Unactivated Windows 10 [technozed.com] is actually pretty usable. I run it in Parallels Desktop on my Macbook.
My cup runneth over!11! [wikiquote.org]
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Why would you run unactivated 10 when you can make it legit with a Win 7 licence code that can be had for the price of a McDonald's lunch?
Re: Soo, which version of Windows is 100% implemen (Score:2)
Where do you get Windows 7 licences for the price of a McDonald's lunch.
VirtualBox extension pack costs $5,000 (Score:2)
why not just run Windows in VirtualBox
Because commercial use of the VirtualBox extension pack for more than 30 days [virtualbox.org] requires paying $5,000 to One Rich American Called Larry Ellison. (This breaks down as $50 per user with a minimum order quantity of 100 users [oracle.com].) I'd be interested to read about your workarounds for the missing features of VirtualBox that are provided only by the extension pack.
or something
Three reasons. First, Linux + Wine uses less RAM than Linux + Windows would. If I end up thrashing swap despite having maxed out the RAM in my laptop, I'd h
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My company has a piece of Win32 code that acts as a smart terminal - enabling a complex server-based app to appear as a desktop GUI app. Pretty nice. Anyway, the theory was that if we ever needed to support Mac's - or God-forbid, Linux ;-) - we'd just have to provide a version of the terminal thing for those platforms. In practice, we only got occasional requests for Mac support, and those users generally figured out how to use Parallels on their own.
But I found early on that the app runs well under Linu
Re:Soo, which version of Windows is 100% implement (Score:5, Interesting)
From my limited experience: if it comes to older Windows applications, the chances to get something to run properly might actually be higher under Wine than under a current Windows, and that was already true before 3.0. (And if something doesn't run, as was already said, there's still Virtual Box, VMware etc.)
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Absolutely. I can't remember at exactly which version, but I found that after one upgrade to Wine suddenly a crapload of my windows games started to "just work". What's more, they would often run better under Wine than a native windows OS (or in some cases wouldn't install on a modern Windows at all).
Nicely done!
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When I talked to the ReactOS people (admittedly over a decade ago, now) they said if it wouldn't run under Wine, not to expect it to run under ReactOS.
Re: Soo, which version of Windows is 100% implemen (Score:2)
ReactOS uses Wine (Score:2)
ReactOS's user environment is Wine [reactos.org]. As I understand it, the most significant theoretical advantage of ReactOS over Wine on X11/Linux is ability to run apps that depend on bespoke drivers, such as the client for updating a GPS device, fitness tracker, or iProduct. If Linux supports your hardware, you're probably better off sticking with the more mature operating environment.
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Isn't everything not working a bug these days?
Or are some of them still features?
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Hah! By that definition, which version of Windows has Microsoft even 100% implemented?
Seriously though, why would you want them to do this? If developers have a choice, spend time developing some barely known, barely used part of windows X that hardly anyone cares about or implement some important feature of Windows Y that will allow some popular, important application to start working... do you really want them to chose the X?
I suspect that what you really want is for YOUR favorite application to work. Ha
Ends 2017 in style (Score:2)
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-FreeBSD
-systemd
Pick one.
Could systemd kill freebsd? (Score:2)
What happens when linux apps require systemd?
Those apps usually run in freebsd under linux mode.
Obligatory I'm waiting for version 3.11 post.. (Score:1)
Obligatory I'm waiting for version 3.11 post..
Emulator (Score:2, Informative)
WINE is in fact an emulator. An emulator is a thing that emulates the behavior of another thing. The word isn't specific to what you emulate or how you do it.
WINE is the worst retconned recrusive backronym I've ever seen.
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The distinction, in the case of WINE, was first made in 1993, months after the project began.
Re:Emulator (Score:5, Informative)
The reason it's saying it's not an emulator is because it's executing the x86 natively, using its own standin for the nt kernel, a pe loader, etc. Emulation in this context is referring to not having to emulate the whole "pc platform" in order to do this, which a few moments of research could've told you. But I guess it's just easier to be snide than it is to look something up.
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Emulating has never meant having to mimic an entire "platform", a piece of hardware, or an ISA.
Emulating has always meant acting as something else. Even in the computer world. There was never a rule that emulation dealt with hardware or a complete "platform".
Emulate, image, and imitate all come from the same root word.
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A retcon is exactly what it was.
When Wine began life it was explicitly an abbreviation of windows emulator.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windo... [faqs.org]
Then the naming fairy did a 180 turn and WineHQ started pretending "windows emulator" never happened.
Re:Emulator, Shmemulator (Score:2)
A retcon is exactly what it was.
When Wine began life it was explicitly an abbreviation of windows emulator.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windo... [faqs.org]
Then the naming fairy did a 180 turn and WineHQ started pretending "windows emulator" never happened.
Is this like when KDE originally stood for "Kool Desktop Environment", but now they claim it is just "KDE" and it doesn't stand for anything because "Kool Desktop Environment" sounded to dickish?
Cane we re-write history in that manner?
It appears so. and really, who cares?
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Apparently.
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It emulates the behavior of parts of Windows and emulates the normal execution of Windows programs.
Next.
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ReactOS uses most Wine code as is or with minor patches to execute native Windows. Is ReactOS an emulator? Pedantry aside, that is not an emulation, it is an implementation. Way down under the hood, the kernel is emulated and Windows calls are translated to Linux calls.
If you weight how much is emulated vs directly implemented, Wine is not an emulator.
And yes, this means that you can use the ReactOS build chain to take Wine code and replace a Windows dll in most cases. If you override the load order and kee
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It's mimicking the behavior of Windows and Windows programs. It's emulating.
Emulation has absolutely n o t h i n g to do with hardware, ISAs, etc. It has everything to do with behavior and appearances. To emulate means to imitate. It does not matter what you're emulating or how. A few decades ago there was tons of software sold as emulating other software.
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You are being obnoxious. You know that, right?
Does it run Adobe CC? (Score:3)
Adobe CC is the only reason I still have Windows. If there's a way to get it to run on Wine 3.0, it's bye-bye M$. It *almost* ran on the previous version.
I should be specific. I could live with just Lightroom and Photoshop. A stretch goal would be Premiere.
Re:Does it run Adobe CC? (Score:5, Informative)
You can search by app here [winehq.org]. PS CC18, at least, has a "gold" rating, meaning you should not have any trouble with it. The CC suite is one of those "we better get this right" apps they prioritize during development and testing.
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yes you can, just yesterday there was somebody on g+ showing off photoshop cc running in wine.
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http://rawtherapee.com/downloa... [rawtherapee.com]
It works natively on Windows, Mac OS, and Linux. (I use it on Windows.)
The best introduction to the software seems to be Tony's video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Tony is well known in the photography/tech world, and uses Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom almo
Re:Does it run Adobe CC? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth. I am absolutely not an M$ astroturfer. I'm a big fan of Gimp. I can install it anywhere for free and it'll do some things faster than Photoshop. But I still have to go back to photoshop occasionally for some of the advanced features. And in Lightroom, it's a matter of "right click, edit in Photoshop".
I check out the "best Lightroom alternatives" a couple times a year. Open source Lightroom alternatives tend to do really well for operations of basic-to-medium complexity. I do photography as a profession, and basic-to-medium often isn't good enough. Not to mention, the catalog needs to work well with a quarter million photos. On the plus side, raw support is pretty good with free alternatives. So maybe some day, and I'm really looking forward to that day. But not today.
The other thing is, I have an investment in Lightroom categorizing the aforesaid quarter million photos, so a migration path would be necessary. (Which some products have.) And finally, I know how to use Lightroom, and would have to learn the new tool. And, I have a midi controller with motorized sliders bound to the most used Lightroom controls, and that would have to carry over too.
It's not a simple problem. Many of the pieces are there, but not quite all. I'd be more than happy to keep spending my $10 a month to Adobe if I could work entirely on, say, Mint instead of Winders.
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That's because everyone (including Adobe) uses the exact same RAW library. It happens to be open-source, too.
DCRaw [cybercom.net] is a raw image handler for basically every camera out there. It's such an impressive piece of code everyone uses it,
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I did not. That would explain it.
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Still no Java support (Score:4, Informative)
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Platform features not exposed through Java (Score:2)
That's true of applications that fit within the constraints of 100% Pure Java. Many do not and must therefore use JNI to access platform features that Oracle has not exposed through the Java standard library. For instance, does Java have native joystick support without a third-party native component such as JInput [stackoverflow.com]?
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I’d really like to hear the explanation for this, since Java VMs exist for many OS/hardware combinations. What is it about this particular application which makes it Windows-only?
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If you call Windows API functions from your code, then you are tied to this API. In other words, a pure Java program would indeed be able to run anywhere; but if one explicitly ties it to an environment - well, they depend on that environment.
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The irony of a java application requiring an OS is pretty painful.
WOW (Score:2)
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Wrong priorities (Score:3)
Ill bet that 50% of Windows apps still crash and refuse to run at all on Wine. I doubt that many Wine users care about android, and would rather more advances had been made toward supporting 99% of windows apps (Windows Desktop apps on a phone, good god).
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Perhaps we could find a Linux alternative for you.
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How about Quickbooks?
In that case, an alternative isn't acceptable because whatever accountant you're working with probably also uses quickbooks and isn't very likely to change.
Heck, there was a company (from New Zealand I believe) that would give you a free second copy of their software for you to give to your accountant, in an effort to break the quickbooks stranglehold. I search now and can't find them anywhere.
IMO that's one of the key apps that Wine needs to get working before there's really any hope
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Whoops, I was wrong. The software is called MoneyWorks. It's still around, but I had to *really* push my google-fu to the limit to find it. They clearly haven't even made a dent against intuit.
https://www.cognito.co.nz/ [cognito.co.nz]
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There are still a few titles that I love that are Windows only, and too much trouble to get working under Wine with 3d acceleration.
What were they thinking? (Score:1)
So much flak for an open source product that is able to run nearly everything i throw at it (after some tweaking)... Is this windows hate by proxy?
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Excellent I am already a fan (Score:3)
Wish it could run the latest version of Office (Score:2)
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Re:Why wine? (Score:4, Insightful)
Game crash in Windows:
- full system lockup
- hard reboot
- inevitable data loss
- no recourse
Game crash in Wine:
- laugh at the foolishness of Microsoft slaves
- kill Wine and restart it
Re:Why wine? (Score:4, Insightful)
Another alternative to prevent games from crashing the OS all the time is to upgrade from Windows 95. Either that or stop spouting outdated notions of what life is like running Windows.
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Sadly, I just had my Windows 10 totally fsck on me a few days ago.
In this particular instance, the "lock up" was because the game takes over full-screen mode and for whatever reason the game became unresponsive. I did CTRL-ALT-DEL and it gave me the options screen for logout/taskmanager/etc but even when starting the task manager the screen just went back to the game and the task manager was inaccessible. ALT-TAB would show the task manager running, but when selected Windows auto-switched right back to th
Re: Why wine? (Score:1)
If you run an operating system from a software vendor that rarely produces its own hardware that is installed on billions of devices that interface with the OS through drivers not written by the software vendor, this kind of crap will happen.
Look at Apple. Even though they have absolute control over the hardware their OS runs on and have more money than God they are now producing devices on such a massive scale with hardware produced by so many subcontractors that even they have similar issues with their ow
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"If you run an operating system from a software vendor that rarely produces its own hardware that is installed on billions of devices that interface with the OS through drivers not written by the software vendor, this kind of crap will happen."
So what you're saying is you've never used a well designed operating system that properly abstracts hardware, memspace, etc. Might I suggest you try a mature X86 Unix variant?
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Cool story, but that isn't Windows locking up. The operating system is still working fine. Rather, that is just a crappy application that rudely keeps pushing itself to the top. That is just poor coding.
You could have tried Windows-Tabbing (like Alt-tab but using the Windows key) and then using your mouse to click the close gadget of the thumbnail while you hold down the tab. I haven't needed to test what happens when you do this to a non-responsive application so I can't say for sure whether this works.
Sti
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If that happens again, try to start the Task Manager, and then type the name of the EXE (even if the window itself is not visible) and press DEL + ENTER.
The idea is that the Task Manager's window may not be visible for some reason, but it still has focus - so you can try to interact with it.
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That only works if you know what the executable name is before-hand. But that's good to know for future reference.
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I have had this happen to me and was just restarting the computer. Then I realized I just need to log out of the account (on the Ctrl-Alt-Del screen) then log back in and all is good to go again.
May not work with your game but worth a try next time.
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I guess Windows is fine because a broken game can only destroy a user session, assuming you thought of it ahead of time and did your workaround prework.
Meanwhile, in Linux, you just like pkill the problem.
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I'm amazed at what you consider an easy work around. If this was suggested on linux, the response would be "This is why linux will never be ready for the mainstream."
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That's true. Modern versions of windows fail for completely different reasons.
1. Game crashes in Windows
2. Try rebooting to see if that helps
3. Microsoft forces an update to install
4. Computer bricks and requires a complete reinstall of windows
1. and 2. being completely optional, of course.
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and if you still have it, that Sublime CD you borrowed.
Since when does Sublime [sublimetext.com] come on CD-ROM?
(I don't practice Santeri'a either.)
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I'd give them the cd back, except that it was in the cupholder of my window10 box when it locked up playing starcraft2.
i am. laughing. (Score:1)
in ways you don't understand.
you buy a continuation of a 1996 product fork
i am running Specter gui ontop of Quarterdeck memmory manager, inside a window under Wine//Norton Desktop.
come at me Arachne browser bro, I ain't even mad as Dr Solomon AV.
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Assuming the game even loads in Wine...
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I've had Wine cause kernel panics before.
It's not particularly common, though. No more common than a blue screen and it's usually related to video drivers.
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If running Windows is normal, I'll be abnormal forever.
Once upon a time, running Windows put you at risk of getting adware and spyware. Now the OS itself is literally both.
But I still have two Windows executables I want to run but can't recompile to run on a free OS.
So Wine is still relevant.
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And have your system get infected with viruses, lol.
Linux is immune to viruses.
Many Windows viruses can be loaded and run using WINE. YAY!
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I for one would really like to run XP. Unfortunately some essential programs don't want anything more to do with it.
There's not one single piece of functionality added in later versions that is useful to me.