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Facebook May Have Secret Plans To Build a Satellite-Based Internet (ieee.org) 75

Public filings suggest the social media giant is quietly developing orbital tech to rival efforts by SpaceX and OneWeb to deliver Internet by satellite. From a report: A filing with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) last week revealed details of a multi-million dollar experimental satellite from a stealthy company called PointView Tech LLC. The satellite, named Athena, will deliver data 10 times faster than SpaceX's Starlink Internet satellites, the first of which launched in February. However, PointView appears to exist only on paper. In fact, the tiny company seems to be a new subsidiary of Facebook, formed last year to keep secret the social media giant's plans to storm space.

Many technology companies believe the future of the Internet is orbital. Around half the people on the planet lack a broadband Internet connection, particularly those who live in rural areas and developing nations. SpaceX aims to put nearly 12,000 Starlinks into low Earth orbit (LEO), to deliver gigabit-speed Internet to most of the Earth's surface. Rival OneWeb, funded by Japan's SoftBank, chipmaker Qualcomm, and Richard Branson's Virgin Group, plans similar global coverage using perhaps 2,500 LEO satellites.
Further reading: Facebook's free walled-garden internet program ended quietly in Myanmar, several other places last year.
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Facebook May Have Secret Plans To Build a Satellite-Based Internet

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  • w00t (Score:5, Funny)

    by Zontar The Mindless ( 9002 ) <{plasticfish.info} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:25PM (#56547804) Homepage

    Now instead of merely sharing SOME of our personal data with FB, we can share EVERY BYTE of it with FB. I know *I'm* stoked...

  • This could be the end of national firewall based censorship. You can't keep Facebook out of a country if citizens can pull data from the sky.

    • Facebook censors themselves and follow the law so you hope for way too much.

  • Global gig speed internet is all well and good, but no self-respecting yak herder is going to accept sky high ping times.
    • Previous satellite based internet used geostationary satellites (26,199 miles up). These new proposals are using multiple satellites in low earth orbit (100 -1240 miles up) that would off an acceptable ping time vs. landline broadband.

  • First strike? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by LordNicholas ( 2174126 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:38PM (#56547958)
    Is there any way they can be shot down without exacerbating Kessler Syndrome? Even if not, if the alternative is Facebook becoming the defacto owner of internet access, a few centuries without spaceflight might be worth it...
  • Yeah right. 2500 satellites, even at ten-per-launch, is 250 launches. Even at "only" $20 million a launch, that's $5 billion...not even counting cost of the satellites.

    Plus 25 launches a year forever after just to replace the ten percent of satellites in the constellation that one can bank will go on fritz annually. And upgrades. Oh boy. Everyone 8G or whatever on the ground? Time for another...2500 satellites.

    How that's cheaper than fiber endpoint -> cellular I don't know.

    • $5 billion dollars is cheap for FB if it gets them access to the Chinese market. $5 billion a year is cheap too.

      • $5 billion just launch costs. If satellites $50 million a pop (generously cheap quote there)...one can almost triple that price.

        And Facebook can't get around the Chinese government whether under the sea, across the ground, over the air, or in space.

        • Sure, but I was also quoting full replacement every year. If the satellites average a 3 year life, then my dual omissions cancel out.

          I don't know why FB couldn't get around the Chinese government from space. I mean, sure the Chinese could DF the people on the grounds transmitters, but I'd imagine that's a sometimes thing.

        • by torkus ( 1133985 )

          You seem to midunderstand the $ scale of global companies these days. If FB could plop down $15B for a global internet today, I don't think they'd hesitate any longer than to pick out some soon-to-be-historic pen to sign with.

          For what you're talking about, that's not a lot of money at all, though I expect it will probably have another zero attached by the time all is said and done...and will still be a good investment.

          • All the guestimates for cost I quoted are absurdly generous. And for the same $15 billion (again assuming incredibly cheap) one could get a lot more internet with a different approach.

    • by Ksevio ( 865461 )
      But the market would be pretty much all people. If they can provide internet services to 100 million people at $5/month, they'd have it paid off in a year.
    • by u19925 ( 613350 )

      This is not all that costly if you compare with land and undersea cables. The number of satellites you needs depends on the orbit. Too low orbit will need more satellites but will need weaker signal to operate, and too high will need fewer satellites but will need stronger signal for the same data rate. Maintenance is low as you don't need to worry about weather, flooding, theft. The installation is also quicker as you don't need local permits. The revenue will come from all over the world. Also because the

    • Back in 2002 offering broadband to all in Sweden was estimated to cost 50 billion SEK.
      That could easily had been done.
      5 billion usd is less and we're talking 400 times the population if it's only half the earth population ...

      5 billion is "nothing."

    • by DeBaas ( 470886 )

      For reference, Liberty Global bought a company a few years ago which provides internet and cable TV to roughly four million subscribers for > 10 billion USD. Even if they can't make as much money per subscribers as from cable + internet it still seems cheap for a worldwide infrastructure

  • by ausekilis ( 1513635 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:41PM (#56548000)

    Then what? *all* traffic goes through Facebook servers. I don't see anything wrong with a company whose whole reason for being is to sell as much data about the public as it can having the capability to sniff all traffic at a provider level. Do you?

    I can't wait for the law to catch up to this bullshit and finally start breaking apart the media/internet stovepipes.

  • SkyNet anyone?
  • by Thud457 ( 234763 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:13PM (#56548348) Homepage Journal
    I thought Elon scuttled Facebook's evil satellite internet plans when he scuttled their satellite [slashdot.org].
  • I don't want to used a walled and fenced spying network.

    Sure it may be what we are forced to use in the future regardless but I don't want it.

  • ... with blackjack, and hookers.

    ... or at least, farmVille blackjack, and targeted ads with the promise of hookers but actually only subliminally delivering politically suggestive ideas based on mined data of unsuspecting users.

    ... actually forget the blackjack, and the hookers.

  • Given what we have learned recently of how FB datamines you and most everything on line via app that captures ur text's and links on pages that let them track you. Is anyone really willing to use internet provided by them so they can now watch EVERYTHING you do regardless if you use their site anymore? They loved the tid bit that data they have on people belongs to them less it wasn't associated to them yet which means FB owns it and you have 0 say if and when its deleted. This question could be asked of go
  • The problem with satellite internet is that you can either provide access to the service to everyone on earth or no one. There is no way to do cost saving and make service available to US or China. This means that initial cost will be very high. But then you get global coverage as well. In the past, the cost would have been too high compared to number of users, but now it is not so. With 4 billion plus mobile phones, the market is ready if you can provide affordable service. Even if 10% of these people pay

  • The climate heats up and tens of thousands of satellites will be put up that collect solar energy and beam microwaves down on us.

    And that's just a few companies of 1 country, 193 other countries may have the same ideas.

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