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ComputerWorld Says Newest Windows 10 'Isn't Ready for Prime Time' (computerworld.com) 200

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"Despite Microsoft's assurances, Windows 10 1803 isn't ready for prime time," writes ComputerWorld's Woody Leonhard, adding "Microsoft's patches in June took on some unexpected twists..." Win10 1803 was declared fully fit for business, a pronouncement that was followed weeks later by fixes for a few glaring, acknowledged bugs -- and stony silence for other known problems. We're continuing the two-big-cumulative-updates-a-month pace for all supported versions of Windows 10. The second cumulative update frequently fixes bugs introduced by the first cumulative update. Microsoft may think that Win10 (1803) is ready for widespread deployment, but there are a few folks who would take issue with that stance...

Tuesday, Microsoft finally released a fix for two big bugs that have dogged Win10 1803 since its inception... In practice, life isn't so simple. WSUS (the Windows Update Server software) isn't "seeing" KB 4284848, as of late Wednesday afternoon -- which may be a good thing. Along with the second cumulative update this month, there are additional releases to fix the Servicing Stack, and a new "Compatibility update" that, per the documentation, is designed to make it easier to upgrade Win10 1803 Enterprise to Win10 1803 Enterprise (not a typo)...

One problem that has been acknowledged -- but only by a Microsoft Agent on an Answers Forum post -- says that installing 1803 can clobber your peer-to-peer network. That certainly matches my experience.
Woody concludes, "If you think Win10 1803 is ready for prime time, you're welcome to give it a try."
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  • No Windows... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jawtheshark ( 198669 ) * <slashdot@jawthe[ ]rk.com ['sha' in gap]> on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:38PM (#56871798) Homepage Journal
    No version of Windows was ever ready for prime time..

    • No version of Windows was ever ready for prime time..

      Kind of like Tesla Autopilot.

    • What about the version in the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley," is that ready for prime time? I don't think it was ready for the box office, surely it is ready for prime time though? Probably not ready for daytime viewing, though.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Bullshit. Windows 7 was, and is, just fine.

    • No version of Windows was ever ready for prime time..

      Well, XP functioned pretty well, and Windows 7 is pretty stable.

      But Windows 10 is the biggest steaming pile of shit of an OS, the only thing it does well is make Vista and Windows 8 look good.

      Even then, it could be salvageable if Microsoft ditched it's BOHICA based update process. I have a network of Windows 10 machines that has functioned well for a couple years now. Then again, it is airgapped by several miles, and hasn't been updated - which means no Microsoft mandated failures.

      • The XP you remember is SP2... SP2 worked pretty well, but at release? What a mess.

        7 was ok, but do remember that 7 is actually Vista SP2.

        • The XP you remember is SP2... SP2 worked pretty well, but at release? What a mess.

          7 was ok, but do remember that 7 is actually Vista SP2.

          No argument there. Unfortunately, W10 is not getting better.

  • Win10 1803 is ready for prime time? Nope (Score:3)

    by TheDarkMaster ( 1292526 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:47PM (#56871854)
    the fact that I deleted windows 10 and went back to windows 7 should be enough to say what I think about windows 10 "be ready to use"...
    • I've found that the install disc makes a perfectly good coaster. Seems plenty ready for use to me.

      • Re:Win10 1803 is ready for prime time? Nope (Score:4, Funny)

        by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @04:57PM (#56872330)

        In `98 they sent me a free copy of Windows Server 2000, and it was very stable platform for my coffee for years. I hated coding without it there by my side, it just really enhanced my experience! And it wasn't like a cheapo from AOL that would lose the printing right away; it was really printed solid, like a powder-coat or something.

        • Re: Win10 1803 is ready for prime time? Nope (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Jesus H Rolle ( 4603733 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @05:07PM (#56872358)

          In `98 they sent me a free copy of Windows Server 2000, and it was very stable platform for my coffee for years.

          Windows 2000 was the first and last version worth installing. Microsoft almost got it right. Shame there was no 64 bit release.

          • Re: (Score:1)

            by Anonymous Coward

            In 2001, there was Windows Advanced Server Limited Edition [redmondmag.com]

            Technically, it's an early 64-bit release of Server 2003.

            • The server version at that time (prior to public release of the consumer 2k) was actually NT4 with the new control panels, pretending to be the new OS. They were sending it out free to consultants because they wanted to fight against *nix on the server.

              But the Year of Windows on the Server never happened.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Gonoff ( 88518 )

            Windows 2000 was the first and last version worth installing. Microsoft almost got it right. Shame there was no 64 bit release.

            Microsith has done its very best to make the world forget that Windows 2000 even existed. Like many of Stalins co-conspirators, it has been airbrushed from history!

  • Windows 10 is ready (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    For the trash can. Switch to linux or macOS instead.

    • Pretty sure my next desktop is going to be OSX running inside ESXi. Enable GPU passthrough and you're good to go.

  • Doesn't matter (Score:5, Informative)

    by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @03:00PM (#56871912)

    Ready for prime time or not, I'm sure it's going to show up real soon on my system in another ambush upgrade.

    (Hint to MS: I set the computer to "Hibernate" because I was expecting to come back and pick up where I left off *quickly*. I specifically did not want to come back to find "Windows is finishing updates. Do not turn off your PC" for 45 minutes instead, followed by having to recover all of the open files that got trashed.)

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by Wolfrider ( 856 )

      --If you have at least a dual-core PC with 6+GB of RAM, you might consider going with a lightweight Linux+XFCE host OS (or Mac) and Win10 as a guest VM**. Virtualbox is free and can do ~95% of what Vmware is capable of. Veeam Agent for Windows and AOMEI are both free-as-in-beer and will restore to different hardware. Snapshots are your friend, and when you hibernate a VM ain't NOTHING waking it up unless you want it to.

      **Unless you need realtime speedy graphics or somesuch, for games/CAD

  • Windows used to be great when it had actual versions and you could install it and forget it for years. Now, with rolling releases, you're playing a roulette with your data and applications every six months. Luckily 7 and 8.1 are still supported and once they Microsoft abandons them, I will update the PCs I'm responsible for to Windows 10 LTSB Enterprise - the last remaining sensible Windows ... distribution. Yes, nowadays we have actual Windows distributions.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I think I see where you're going here. Basically you're predicting that 2019 will be the year of Windows 10 (1803) on the Desktop? :)

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      I see you left out the bit where to avoid being fucked over by M$, crappy updates, and privacy invasion, you have to pay $7 per month for the rest of your life and absolutely 100% guaranteed to rise far faster than the inflation rate, protection and extortion fee, stop paying and they kill your box. Ahh windows anal probe 10 delivering exactly what everyone warned M$ would deliver, renting access to your own computer. Refuse to pay and the shit version of windows is all they will sell you, still demand that

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by sad_ ( 7868 )

      Windows used to be great when it had actual versions and you could install it and forget it for years.

      eh? install windows and forget about it for years? how? when you put the pc back in the box and store it on the attic? when the pc is disconnected from any network (would not even qualify in this case)? if there ever was an OS that required constant hand holding it would be windows, my god. if you use windows, it requires attention.

      • You're doing something very wrong if you need to attend to your Windows installation(s) all the time.

        I've got a few friends of mine whose Windows (7) installations have been churning along completely unattended for over seven years now - no issues whatsoever.

        You just ask them not to install anything they absolutely don't need and to keep an eye on their AV. That's it.

  • that show the Windows loading screen and then a blank screen after this upgrade. We have Dell's highest level of support, and they don't even have a solution other than to reformat and reinstall Windows. It's not just not ready for prime time. It's simply not ready.

    • that show the Windows loading screen and then a blank screen after this upgrade. We have Dell's highest level of support, and they don't even have a solution other than to reformat and reinstall Windows. It's not just not ready for prime time. It's simply not ready.

      But you have to admit they were really secure after that update.

  • Sure, it is very annoying. The thing is, you learn to deal with it. My Windows 10 does not install updates until I allow it to. You can work around the problems. Going back to Windows 7 is not the answer. Windows 7 was great, but people still bitched about it for a couple years after it came out claiming they'd never quit using Windows XP. In my job I have to work with Windows, LINUX, and macOS. I don't bitch about any of them because that won't solve anything. I just learn how to deal with the stupid crap

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Sure, getting ass-raped is annoying. The thing is, you learn to deal with it. You can work around the problems of being ass-raped. Going back to not being ass-raped is not the answer. Not being ass-raped was great, but people still bitched about it. In my job, I have to work with ass-rapists, LINUX and macOS. I don't bitch about any of them because that won't solve anything. i just learn how to deal with the stupid crap that each OS throws at me in between ass-rapings. Open tickets with the company

    • Sure, it is very annoying. The thing is, you learn to deal with it. My Windows 10 does not install updates until I allow it to. You can work around the problems. Going back to Windows 7 is not the answer. Windows 7 was great, but people still bitched about it for a couple years after it came out claiming they'd never quit using Windows XP. In my job I have to work with Windows, LINUX, and macOS. I don't bitch about any of them because that won't solve anything. I just learn how to deal with the stupid crap that each OS throws at me. Open tickets with the company that makes the OS when you find an issue. Either they'll fix it or they won't. If they don't, find your own workaround and get on with your life. I won't install 1803 until I feel its stable. If you're still pissed off, give yourself a hug... it might help.

      Ladies and gentlemen, we have here the very definition of Stockholm syndrome. The slave being punished and beaten daily but has learned to love his tormentors, perhaps even worship them, because ....... well, Stockholm syndrome.

      Meanwhile, have fun with that. You are still in the age where getting your computer to simply work is your version of a participation trophy. Yay for you! You're needing that hug, man,

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by GoTeam ( 5042081 )
        It seems like you were unable to read past the 14th word I wrote. You may need to adjust your screes size or locate the scroll bar. Anyone who works on systems for any period of time knows that each OS has its pain points. I pointed out that I was able to mitigate the main complaints with Windows 10 and I made it work for the employees here. No getting beaten daily. No random reboots. No unplanned for UI changes. The same goes for macOS, LINUX, and older systems like HPUX and tru64. You find the pain points

        • It seems like you were unable to read past the 14th word I wrote. You may need to adjust your screes size or locate the scroll bar. Anyone who works on systems for any period of time knows that each OS has its pain points. I pointed out that I was able to mitigate the main complaints with Windows 10 and I made it work for the employees here. No getting beaten daily. No random reboots. No unplanned for UI changes. The same goes for macOS, LINUX, and older systems like HPUX and tru64. You find the pain points and mitigate them. I'm happy and the other employees are happy. Seems to work for us.

          Yes - I understand that some folks have learned to work with Lucas Electric systems on old Sports cars. Your mitigation and fussing and farting to make W10 "operable" then defending it as "learning to deal with it" then claiming that those who don't share your views "need a hug" - I stand on my point, You are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. If you believe that Windows 10 is every bit as trouble free as those other OS', you are suffering from Stockholm syndrome .

          You are also proving that you will put

          • Re: (Score:1)

            by GoTeam ( 5042081 )
            I doubt we're going to agree. You've got your point of view and it works for you, so that's great. My point of view is that the world is not made especially for me. Life is great, but it requires adjustments to really enjoy it. That works for me. You can go out and find that OS that is built perfectly for you. You'll likely have to build or modify your own. If that brings you joy, go forward with joy in your heart.

  • Windows 10 as a whole isn't ready for prime time. It's a huge leap backwards in usability with more eye candy than a strip club.

    It's almost as if the developers who wrote this steaming pile have no idea what they're doing.

    • Re:Just this verson? (Score:4, Funny)

      by GrumpySteen ( 1250194 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @04:17PM (#56872178)

      Windows 10 as a whole isn't ready for prime time. It's a huge leap backwards in usability with more eye candy than a strip club.

      It also offers access to a much wider variety of viruses than a strip club.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Nkwe ( 604125 )

      Windows 10 as a whole isn't ready for prime time. It's a huge leap backwards in usability with more eye candy than a strip club.

      I think maybe we go to different strip clubs.

      • Windows 10 as a whole isn't ready for prime time. It's a huge leap backwards in usability with more eye candy than a strip club.

        I think maybe we go to different strip clubs.

        He goes to the strip clubs for the blind.

  • Software as a Service doesn't work for OSes. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by devslash0 ( 4203435 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @03:26PM (#56872010)
    I'd bet that having one-os-to-rule-them-all and OS as a Service are the ideas to which Microsoft execs are waxing their carrots to every day. Unfortunately, this model doesn't work for operating systems which are not like any other software.

    I expect my OS to be an embodiment of stability and security. Software that I can trust won't go down even if every other process in the system decided to go tits up. Most of all, however, I expect to be in full control of it. It shouldn't make the faintest ping (fart) unless I ask it to.

    Windows is the complete opposite. It runs a ton of of things without your permission, spies on you, reconfigures your system to its liking whenever it so pleases (hello system services) and dictates when and if at all you can shut it down.

    This is an absolute lack of respect for your will and time. I do not understand how can anyone hope to build a stable business on Windows.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Microsoft's biggest failure is not doing what would be very simply and satisfy the majority of users complaining about stability. They could offer Windows 10 Home Long Term Servicing Branch, as they offer Windows 10 Enterprise Long Term Servicing Branch.
      Instead, they falsely insist we all need 2 major upgrades each year that continuously break systems. They also put themselves to the trouble of creating numerous features that almost nobody uses. If Nadella can't see this as a problem, then he should come do

    • Unfortunately, this model doesn't work for operating systems which are not like any other software

      Of course it does. This model is not very different from Linux which also goes through continuous rolling updates and feature movements everytime you run apt update && apt upgrade

      What doesn't work is having absolutely zero frigging quality control, focusing your coding efforts on irrelevant shit like the colour of the UI rather than how the OS works, and then pushing out software to meet a deadline even when your foolish beta testers tell you your software isn't even beta quality much less ready for

      • Microsoft has beta testers? I find that hard to believe...

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Gonoff ( 88518 )

          Microsoft has beta testers? I find that hard to believe...

          Their beta testers are all the people "out there" with MS software on their computers.

    • Re:Software as a Service doesn't work for OSes. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Required Snark ( 1702878 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @05:27PM (#56872434)
      Monopolies always end up with a rent-not-buy model. There is even a term for this: rent seeking behavior.

      Collecting rent makes a lot more money in the long run and is a very natural extension of monopoly power. It also leads to lower value for renters and larger profits for the landlords, or SAS providers in this case. Plus market stagnation.

      Welcome to the USA in the 21st century. You have no viable choices and you've been commodifed.

  • Windows 10 is an abomination (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Windows 10 is simply a dreadful interface. The single worst interface I have ever seen on any computing device ever.

    It's not fit for purpose... never mind prime time.

    Windows 95 had a better GUI than 10.

  • I use it every day with no issues. I don't like the design of some things but overall the OS has been very stable.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Me neither. When I first installed it (during the 'get it free' era), it suddenly maxed my 'net connection; after 15 minutes or so of continuous, unauthorized, unexplained, massive net traffic, I powered the system down. I then scrubbed the drive and reinstalled Windows 7 from backup (I use commercial CAD software, gotta have Windows, no choice. 7 works fine, no changes required minimum of newly undiscoverable UI BS ).

      I have no problems with W10 and don't foresee having any until such time as i am forced t

    • Same here, but: a) I consider myself quite lucky, and b) I postpone feature updates for as long as I can so the bugs are sorted out by those poor people with Windows 10 home before they get to me.

      #privilage.

  • For over a year, GeForce Experience crashes if it’s not the first application I loaded. But now VirtualBox doesn’t work and new installation keeps failing. So double win for me. Less work and more play. SMH

  • GeForce Experience updates.
    Kaspersky anti virus works.
    Windows 10 is ready.

    • Kaspersky anti virus works.

      AVPoo? It was totally awesome when it first came out, but these days it's the biggest turd in AV.

  • They broke calculator in a previous update (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PrimaryConsult ( 1546585 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @07:11PM (#56872670)

    I wasn't the only one, but after a recent large update, no one at work had a functioning windows calculator - it was gone from the start menu, and running calc.exe resulted in nothing. I thought our IT department had f-'d up, but no, I saw the same complaints online. How do you break calculator??

    If anyone is wondering the fix is some sort of powershell command to remove the "windows feature" of calculator, then re-add it from the Windows Store. Obviously only works for those with admin rights to their machine...

    But yeah. What next, break paint and notepad??

  • Windows 10 - buggy and half-finished by assholes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by brxndxn ( 461473 ) on Saturday June 30, 2018 @09:59PM (#56873038)

    More than any other OS, I would say Windows 10 has a buggy and half-finished feel to it. The way it puts 'unidentified' SID's all through the registry - and Microsoft says you can ignore the numerous errors in the system logs.. or the way it always seems to decide to interrupt your work and install gigabytes of updates - and keep extra gigabytes of 'backups' in the windows.old folder..

    I swear the biggest problem is people not holding Microsoft accountable enough. Microsoft should be getting their asses sued off by everyone and their mother. Whether it's 'software as a service' or not, they should not be able to override user preferences with impunity - or shut down industrial or medical systems because they miscalculated on an update. It's one thing if they install updates automatically - it's a totally different thing if someone disables those updates and Microsoft overrides it and returns all user settings back to their default every update. Or, if Microsoft just decides they're entitled to all of your screenshots, keystrokes, and contacts list.

    Besides the bugs, the GUI is inconsistent and has shitty performance. It feels like you're opening a web page browser window when you navigate any of the new style of menu. There are at least 3 different distinct styles of menus and certain settings are in some or all of them. For example, there are mouse settings in the old style control panel and the new settings menu - and they aren't even the same settings - so you have to go to both.

    It cannot get the resolution perspective correct in any manner.. And, if you set it the way you want, it might be returned to shit after a reboot - or you plug in a different monitor - or you remote desktop from a 4k monitor on a tablet that THEY designed. The fonts are hard to read no matter what - unless you have an old shitty low resolution monitor. Also, updates cause you to lose settings.. like you cannot make fonts bold in the menus after the latest Windows update.

    Windows 10 forgets and re-arranges user settings. Did you move the 'documents' folder? Windows 10 might just decide to delete wherever you moved it to and move them back. If you use OneDrive, plan on re-installing at least once a month.

    The snipping tool is a big flaming piece of shit. If you capture a screenshot and then click 'new' screenshot, your existing screenshot right in front of you disappears.. So you can't just have multiple screenshots sitting on your screen at the same time - unless you take the time to save each one. Fuck that. Nothing should ever delete your existing work just because you clicked 'new.' Instead, it should open in a NEW window and keep your existing one.

    The way they install updates as if they are entitled to controlling you is unacceptable. Everything about it is the opposite of common sense. For example, updates typically install when you want to turn off your laptop and take it home - nope.. sorry.. you gotta fucking wait. Don't turn off your computer or we'll break it. Have a laptop you use only once or twice a week? It'll decide to waste your battery doing a bunch of bullshit rather than just let you get your work done. I know it's not supposed to interrupt you in the middle of anything - but I have had it interrupt me in the middle of playing a PC game against friends. WHAT THE FUCK.

    I use it since I have to support it (secondary to Mac OSX). It pisses me off every day. No one on the Windows 10 team should feel proud of the shit they help create. It's taking computing in the wrong direction. It's making computing less reliable. The philosophy of Windows 10 is shit. The fundamental design is shit. The people that work on it are shitty people. The people that stick up for it are ineffective people who have never experienced software that was designed well.

    The really sad thing is that almost all of it could be fixed by doing the following:
    1. Allow the user to have control over his or her computer again
    2. Allow the user to HAVE CONTROL OVER HIS OR HER COMPUTER AGAIN
    3. FUCKING ALLOW THE USER TO BE IN CONTROL

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      More than any other OS, I would say Windows 10 has a buggy and half-finished feel to it.

      Clearly you're too young to remember Windows ME. Not that this invalidates your points at all, just saying Microsoft has certainly done worse.

      • I don't know about that. Windows ME had some stability issues, but it at least respected my settings. I could turn something off or change a default and it stayed that way. Windows Update only ran when I told it to. Windows wouldn't change a driver because it thought it knew better. Applications didn't randomly disappear. The UI was much better too - responsive, consistent, and easy to get around once you knew the basics (granted, Windows ME didn't try anything radical in the UI department - it was ba

    • The snipping tool is a big flaming piece of shit.

      I'll take it over "print screen."

      The way they install updates as if they are entitled to controlling you is unacceptable.

      Most non-technical users have proven themselves incapable of maintaining their own systems, so automatic updates are a response to the "Windows gets viruses" schtick. Granted, they could do it better, but I haven't hard a problem telling my machine "put off these updates until later" and my game doesn't get interrupted.

  • I'm curious as to what advice has Microsoft ever implemented from their technical preview program for Windows 10? Or was that just a show to try to get admins to buy in?

  • The last update to Windows 10 irrevocably broke my computer. I was about to roll back to the previous version when I saw a link to Microsoft Support. Was with them for an extended time, and there's no solution to my memory management BSOD except to do what I was about to do and roll it back to the previous version.

    Soooo... the computer is frozen in time, no more updates, with the cure appearing to be a new computer, or at least a new motherboard using different hardware that hopefully doesn't have the s

  • 1803 must have been released so customers could beta test it, because it sure wasnâ(TM)t ready for general release. I had 8 laptops in my shop that were bricked by 1803. Microsoft's âoefixâ is a clean install. When I asked the tech how Iâ(TM)m supposed to explain to the customer that a Microsoft update broke their computer, but theyâ(TM)re going to have to pay me to fix it. (In 4 cases the customer paid, the other 4 they werenâ(TM)t worth putting that much money into and the cu

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