Tesla Model 3 Now Offers 'Summon' Self-Parking Feature (autoblog.com) 115
The "Summon" feature that the Model S and Model X have had for a while is now available in the Tesla Model 3. The feature allows the car to park autonomously without anyone in the car; it can even operate the garage door as it parks and powers down, or when it is called out of its parking spot by the owner. Autoblog reports: Tesla tweeted the news in response to a video showing a Model 3 park itself in a tight space in a home garage, before the garage door closes behind it. Elon Musk replied to Tesla's tweet by assuring viewers, "Note, no one is in the car or controlling remotely. Car is driving entirely by itself." The feature comes via an over-the-air software update.
Big liability issue and eula will not save them (Score:3, Insightful)
Big liability issue and eula will not save them if it went the wrong way and run over an kid on the sidewalk.
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The car will notice sudden deceleration however, which would likely cause emergency braking. Probably faster than human.
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No opinion on shilling, but triggering the shorting snowflakes certainly does feel good.
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Laws of physics are not your strong suit, are they? Energy conservation and all that.
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Content of your previous post?
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Really, it should be fairly simple - collision avoidance at low speeds, under ultra-conservative assumptions, should be one thing any autonomous car can do well - the capability is increasingly built in to normal cars as driver-assist features. Slamming on the brakes in your driveway is also a perfectly acceptable solution to any uncertainty, unlike on the highway. If that means letting the driver assists override the AI, then so be it.
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Teslas are not antonymous cars. They use parking sensors to auto-park with the user standing near by to make sure they don't crash.
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They're plenty autonomous to get people killed by trusting them too much. Driving 20 feet at low speed should be well within its capability.
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Low speeds? See the great Tesla summon race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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The car has ultrasonic imaging for close-in work, and absolutely will not hit a pedestrian when moving at that speed. It has no trouble autopiloting behind a bicycle, and issued a collision alert warning when I came closer to the back of a motorcycle than it liked today. It is obnoxiously conservative.
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Also, software can never ever be patched afterwards, so you'll have these bugs for as long as you have that Tesla.
/s
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You can’t patch in a lack of hardware like lidar retard.
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You can’t patch in a lack of hardware like lidar retard.
1: Other car manufacturers have been "patching" hardware for decades. It's called a product recall. Sure, patching in a whole new and improved piece of hardware such as Lidar to replace their existing tech is a big costly thing to do, but it would have to be done if Lidar were actually needed.
2: These cars don't seem to need Lidar (consider that ALL of them should be failing quite often without a required piece of navigation hardware)
3: dumbass
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You cannot save and restore to avoid an accident in real life, idiot. Once a pedestrian is maimed or dead, they stay that way.
Fucking gamers, do you ever go out of that basement?
No shit Sherlock.
But I missed the part where I stated any of that [wikipedia.org]
Are you trying to imply that the traffic related death rate for autonomous drivers [wikipedia.org] is higher than the death rate from human drivers? [wikipedia.org]
Or are you trying to imply that Tesla should get their shit together and release an absolutely perfect car on day one just like every other car manufacturer [wikipedia.org]?
What are you? A stable genius®?
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Because no piece of software has ever had a bug.
ISO 26262. *
Trying to argue why "software may theoretically have bugs" is a bad argument will take too much time. It is a lot easier for both of us if you just read the standard. (Or IEC 61508 if you want to, the safety related parts should be fairly equivalent.)
Just to get an idea of the scope, a system developed according to the standard will be able to manage a situation where a transistor in the CPU stops working, for example if the ALU no longer can set the zero-flag and conditional branches no longer is possible. Yep, you so called "safe" high level languages means jack shit when it comes to designing safe systems. Your built in super-automatic buffer overrun check isn't guaranteed to work.
The software should be bug-free, but even if it isn't then it shouldn't cause a safety issue.
Completely agree
However, my snark was more to do with the way certain internet commenters have this incredibly high standard placed upon Tesla, yet if an existing car manufacturer for example has a tech flaw [safetyresearch.net], there isn't nearly the same level of outrage/concern/whatever
Could it be that "electric cars" and "autonomous driving" are a threat to people who's ePeen [wiktionary.org] is attached to their ability to own and operate a big V8?
Note: I'm not saying that Tesla should get a pass for whatever may be wrong in their cars.
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Using summon is just you driving our car remotely, so you're the one who is liable.
You use a phone app with buttons for forward and reverse to make the car slowly move forward or backward. You also have to be within ten feet of the car while you're doing it. If the car runs over a kid, it's entirely your fault.
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Using summon is just you driving our car remotely
You use a phone app with buttons for forward and reverse to make the car slowly move forward or backward.
Elon is lying when he says, "Note, no one is in the car or controlling remotely. Car is driving entirely by itself."...?
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I haven't seen the video or interview where he said that, but yes, if he said that, he was lying. The car's sensors are active and it will brake and try to avoid hitting things, but the person with the cell phone is in control of when it moves and what direction.
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I haven't seen the video or interview where he said that, but yes, if he said that, he was lying. The car's sensors are active and it will brake and try to avoid hitting things, but the person with the cell phone is in control of when it moves and what direction.
Are you here in Europe? The Summon feature works differently in the U.S. regulatory concerns or some such.
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At least previously you had to be stood nearby with your phone paried by Bluetooth, so you could see it moving and be liable for not stopping it if there was an accident.
The ultrasonic sensors have been shown to not be good enough to see small things like children and pets, so it's no wonder they made it that way.
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Big liability issue and eula will not save them if it went the wrong way and run over an kid on the sidewalk.
Because no kid was ever run over by a car driven by a human ?
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I just had a look at your recent posts and there seems to be a pattern of stating the obvious or just complaining about everything. How you got modded Informative is truly beyond me.
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Praise be to Allah! (Score:5, Funny)
It's only been 5 hours since the last Elon Musk article.
I was getting very nervous and feared the worse. I'm glad everything is OK.
Re: Praise be to Allah! (Score:1)
The stock was getting hammered, had to make another announcement to keep the short burn of the century going.
cool (Score:3)
To all the Musk haters (Score:5, Insightful)
Are they perfect and able (yet) to churn out 2 million vehicles a year? Nope, but they are sure as shit shaking up the traditional automakers, who desperately needed it. I'm rooting for the guy to win Bigly(TM)
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I like the guy as much as the next nerd. He's truly shaking up the world, but please stick to worshiping the things he does that are actually amazing. There are many cars which already feature self park, hands and foot free. This ultimately is nothing more than a minor itteration of a very common technology by a company that is far less afraid of lawsuits than the big car makers forcing you to remain seated in your car while it does almost the same thing.
I'm rooting for him to win too, but as you said, Bigl
Re:Works 99 times out of 100 (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, but that easter egg that they added to make the car scream "OH YEAAHH!" when it does so makes it totally worth it ;)
Scary (Score:1)
The feature allows the car to park autonomously without anyone in the car
The feature can operate electric motors capable of moving this heavy machinery with no human at the controls and able to stop it, in the event of an emergency. What happens in the event of a computer or actuator malfunction?
Keep in mind, the motors in the Tesla are capable of moving the vehicle at high speed. What kind of safety protocols are in place to make sure that if something goes wrong the car will not suddenly launc
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I would guess that brakes and door locks would solve most of your concerns.
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The control unit has onboard redundancy. There are redundant actuators controlling all safety-related driving functions. You can see the layout here [youtube.com].
Re, crashing: anything that deploys the airbags also deploys the pyro fuse in the battery pack. All HV power is instantaneously cut. No driving.
What's to prevent a thief / hijacker from opening the doors and driving off? Um, the locks? The fact that touching the door handles, steering wheel, accelerator, or pretty much anything else disables Summon? The fact that (assuming we're talking about the Model 3) you have to have a paired phone or the card in the car to drive it?
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If the vehicle you're driving now was built in the past 10-20 years, chances are it's already drive-by-wire. You can press the brake pedal all you like, but if the traction control/electronic stability control/anti-lock brakes/etc decide not to apply any braking action due to a malfunction, you've got no brakes. And you can ease up off the accelerator pedal all you like, but if the throttle control sensor/cruise control/etc decide to throw gas into the engine, you're going to speed up right quick. And you'd
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This all reminds me how nice it is to have a physical off switch in case any of these things go wrong.
Press and hold the power/start button for 3 seconds and hope it works? A lot can happen in three seconds.
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This all reminds me how nice it is to have a physical off switch in case any of these things go wrong.
Press and hold the power/start button for 3 seconds and hope it works? A lot can happen in three seconds.
To be clear, you're talking about a system designed with electro/hydraulic assistance to the operator in mind and you want to turn off all these features while it's moving?
There's a lot of things I would try on a car before I turn off power steering and power braking while moving. These aren't like the cars of old. Without these systems it's actually incredibly difficult to control a modern car.
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There's a giant difference between "pushing on a button causes action" and "using a camera through ML algorithms to cause an action" If you were serious, I'm actually not sure how to continue the conversation, cause that's pretty insane.
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I can't believe I'm still surprised at how many Slashdot readers are essentially Luddites. "News for Nerds (who believe their experiences writing PASCAL accounting software makes them experts on modern safety critical computer systems)".
It's like every other comment is always "Never connect a computer to the internet even if it's a web service!" "If it's not mechanical, I don't trust it!" "Automation will be the death of us!"
It's like most of Slashdot fought a war against the Cylons in a past life.
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If the vehicle you're driving now was built in the past 10-20 years, chances are it's already drive-by-wire. You can press the brake pedal all you like, but if the traction control/electronic stability control/anti-lock brakes/etc decide not to apply any braking action due to a malfunction, you've got no brakes.
I drive a model car that is from the year 2000:
The brakes are controlled by a cable system attached to the break pedal.
And if that don't work, there's an E-brake lever that also operates the
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Err... all cars that are currently on sale have hydraulic brakes.
When you push on the brake pedal, you're actually operating a piston that pushes on brake fluid, and that fluid pushes on the pistons in the brake calipers. You have vacuum assist to make it easier, but even with the engine not running you can still brake (granted it takes much more force to do it).
And only one or two car models have steering by wire, almost all cars still have mechanical rack and pinion steering, with either hydraulic or elec
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When you push on the brake pedal, you're actually operating a piston that pushes on brake fluid, and that fluid pushes on the pistons in the brake calipers. You have vacuum assist to make it easier, but even with the engine not running you can still brake (granted it takes much more force to do it).
So my anti-lock brakes and traction control system don't take my inputs, run them against sensory inputs, and then output braking controls to the physical brakes based on (if everything's working) what will enabl
Parking lot shuffle (Score:2)
This is a great milestone on the way to the feature we all want where the car avoids parking fees by reparking itself every 2 hours!
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Parking in Seattle? Yeah, right. I'm stopping at Starbucks for a half hour. Car, why don't you circle the block until I'm done?
Your own garage only or random parking anywhere? (Score:3)
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It doesn't. It's situation-adaptive, making use of the ultrasonic sensors
It's not perfect, though. It's slow, and when there's uncertainty it prefers to give up rather than risk hitting something (particularly noteworthy in really tight situations, where you want summon the most). And there have been some rare instances where things have been hit, although it's not common. For most people, it's just a party trick. But it
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I've seen a number of Model S owners complain that there was really no use-case for summon except the "gee whiz" factor of showing off your car entering or exiting the garage without you in it first .... until they needed to park in a really tight space. Saves you from having to worry about opening your door and hitting something next to you.
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Kind of a narrow-minded assumption that it would be another car on each side making the space tight, though, isn't it?
I love how all the Tesla haters jumped on this to rant about keying the car or ruining its whole paint job....
I'm thinking more of situations I've been in, in the past, where there might have been just enough space to fit my car between a concrete wall on one side and something like a trash dumpster on the other. Nobody parked there, even though the rest of the lot was packed, because it was
Re: Your own garage only or random parking anywher (Score:1)
Stupid thing to do. Now the guy you blocked in keys your car because he has trouble getting into his car.
And dumbass Tesla owner would deserve a good keying for being that kind of selfish prick.
My keys are mightier than your paint job, Teslassholes.
You have been warned.
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There are already too many jack-wagons where I live that drop someone off in front of the store and then STAY PARKED IN THE FIRE LANE waiting for that person to come out.
If I we also had people summoning their vehicles to constantly wait in front of the building it would be impossible to access.
Parking lots work because they are spread out, if everyone were to get in/out of their vehicle directly in front of the store it would be a nightmare.
You would end up having to summon your car to meet you 50-100 yard
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There are already too many jack-wagons where I live that drop someone off in front of the store and then STAY PARKED IN THE FIRE LANE waiting for that person to come out.
In one small town I lived in the main grocery store got tired of that and asked the cops to ticket people parked in the fire lane. Every few months a cop would grab a lawn chair, park it in the shade of the building, and just sit there. People would drive by him, park in the fire lane, and he'd write up the ticket, wander over, hand it to them, and then head back and sit down.
It was like shooting fish in a barrel. And it didn't seem to make much difference in the long run.
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Probably a good strategy would be to drive to the outer limit of the carpark where it is generally empty except for staff cars, which would also limit the outrage from the general public about unsupervised cars driving around the lot and stealing their parks.
I predict in the next 5 years someone is going to paint corners on parking spaces specifically to enable self-driving cars to pick them out easier.
Shouldn't this be called dismiss? (Score:2)
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You would dismiss the vehicle when you no longer need it, you would summon it when you need it.
I've been calling this feature "valet mode" for years.
I'd love this, (if it's reliable!) for rainy days, parking downtown, etc. For me, this would be the top of the list of autonomous features.
Incoming angry customers (Score:1)
Need a new hole in your Garage? XD (Score:1)
With how dramatically wrong Tesla's super-cruise features have gone on their vehicles, I fully expect that car to end up... "I'm sorry Dave, I missed the garage door but on the bright side your garage now has a new enterance!" :)
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Easter egg (Score:2)
If you use the Summon feature while Ludicrous mode is active, the car will do a handbrake turn when arriving at your location.
***BRACING*** (Score:1)
Liability (Score:2)
When it backs into my garage door, can I sue Tesla for a new door? What about if it doesn't pull in far enough and the garage door closes on it? Can I force Tesla to pay for new paint on the trunk?
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Your garage door doesn't have a sensor to prevent closing when something is blocking the opening? Ours does, and it's about knee-high, so unless you have a very jacked-up Model 3, you wouldn't have to worry about the garage door closing on it. The door also will stop if it hits resistance, and has a rubber strip across the bottom as a weather seal, so it's not going to be metal-on-metal (or metal-on-paint) in any event.
Retarded parking perks (Score:1)
And another perk, is that they can park on handicap-spots.
Because compared to (most) human drivers, they are definitely differently abled.
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As of today, there isn't a single certified self-driving car on the planet available to a consumer. From any manufacturer.
They are ALL still just driver-assist. If that car kills a toddler by squishing them in that garage... STILL ALL YOUR FAULT. You go to jail. If that car hits another while pulling out of the garage. If it trashes your garage. If it doesn't stop and just drives into the road and trundles off to work on its own while you stand by the kerb baffled what happened? STILL ALL YOUR FAULT.