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Facebook's 'Downvote' System Begins Rolling Out Wider In US (arstechnica.com) 103

Facebook is reportedly rolling out its "downvote" button to a wider group of users in the United States. "The feature began appearing on the service's mobile app without a formal company announcement -- and we only found out about it by browsing on our phones," reports Ars Technica. From the report: The feature appears to currently be limited to "public" posts. Should your account be flagged for this week's test, every comment in a thread will include a numeric value and small up- and down-arrows connected to that number. Upon the first display of this Reddit-like change, the Facebook app will offer guidance: "Support comments that are thoughtful, and demote ones that are uncivil or irrelevant."

This is in addition to the site's long-running "emotion" interface, which lets users tap "like" or emoji-styled buttons. These icons and numbers still attach to posts as they've done for years. Now an additional value based on up- and down-votes, appears as well, and these values are separate. Meaning, if you tap the "like" button and down-vote on the same comment, those actions don't cancel each other out. As of press time, these up- and down-vote numbers are not visible if your account is not flagged for the test. We have not yet seen this feature go live on any versions of the Facebook Android app.

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Facebook's 'Downvote' System Begins Rolling Out Wider In US

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  • Wait a second... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Friday July 27, 2018 @08:36PM (#57022126)

    Do people still use Facebook?

    • The 0.01% reading /., no.
    • Do people still use Facebook?

      Don't be silly. Wishful thinking doesn't make problems go away.

    • I deleted my account earlier this month. Feel much better for it,

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    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      Yes, too many too. :(

  • by thoughtlover ( 83833 ) on Friday July 27, 2018 @08:39PM (#57022140)

    Slashdot's moderating system is still, IMHO, the best example of a way for a community to not only moderate discussion, but use tags to clarify why a person voted for a post... I love the Funny and Troll mod options, but Under/Overrated are hugely important, too.

    • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      It is too bad they allow all these anonymous cowards on here. Sheesh what is that about. Get a life. Open an account already.

      Cucks.

    • Agreed! Knowing WHY something was moderating is extremely handy. /. blows reddit out of the water. You know reddit has jumped the shark when redditards down-vote you just for asking a question! WTF? *facepalm*

      It has gotten so bad that there are mini-banners "Please don't downvote comments based on opinion.", Gee, no shit, Sherlock.

      Worse, some sub-reddits like /r/minecraft censor mentioning a server name. While I can understand the intent of trying to minimize spam/advertising, it ALSO has the shitty si

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Slashdot's moderating system is still, IMHO, the best example of a way for a community to not only moderate discussion

      It really isn't because you will have young generations downvoting older generations. As someone who lived through the great MMO scam of the 90's, where companies rebadged RPG PC games as mmo's to fleece a gullibly videogame public to get them to pay for the same RPG game monthly. They proved that the average person is an idiot. I saw dedicated servers paired back and videogame software stolen and taken hostage by videogame companies like valve and that greedy prick Gabe newell and kids worship this guy

      • https://www.gog.com/ [gog.com]

        Good Old Games dot Com.

        Just putting it out there.

        Lots of DRM free gold old games for cheap, some for free (if you sign up to newsletter, I think).

        Worth a look, I'd suggest.

        I'm signed up, and (as far as I know) get no benefit apart from a warm feeling of satisfaction if other people visit and sign up).

        • Lots of DRM free gold old games for cheap, some for free (if you sign up to newsletter, I think).

          The problem is all new AAA games have server locks that most won't be able to reverse engineer with any kind of intelligence and will remain mostly broken while developers hold hostage the exe's.

          • Well, ok, sure.

            They do NOW.

            But in the long run they are likely to relax those rules and allow people to pay a pittance to get them, and tick off extra sales, extra revenue, extra royalties and extra bonuses for the Execs.

            The emphasis of GOG being the O, for OLD...

            DethLok

            • But in the long run they are likely to relax those rules

              DethLok

              You're gullible if you believe this, the trend has been the exact opposite - in order for games to have lootboxes and microtransactions they need drm, do you really think EPIC is going to stop after having made billions on skins in fortnite? You're completely naive.

              https://www.gamesindustry.biz/... [gamesindustry.biz]

      • by antdude ( 79039 )

        It's not just video games too. Look at the newer Windows and others. :(

    • Indeed. Wondering why we don't see that moderation system on more sites. Too complex for the non-geek mortal?
    • still open to improvement: I was looking for the *suck-up* mod option for the above post. nope.
    • Slashdot's moderating system awful, but it is the least awful solution to the problem of managing user generated content I have seen to date. (It is a tough problem, to be fair). There is still plenty of room for improvement though. 'Anon' posting for example, should probably just go away at this point, as the number of insightful posts by whistle-blowers and people who need discretion to be able to participate in a conversation are truly insignificant compared to the number of trolls and spammers.

      The In
      • 'Anon' posting for example, should probably just go away at this point, as the number of insightful posts by whistle-blowers and people who need discretion -- The Internet is full of awful people with terrible ideas, and they all want to share them with you. Good luck moderating that....

        The comment filter is a fantastic way to cut through all the trolls' chaff... truly a great addition I didn't even mention earlier.

        And regarding 'awful people' (lol! that reminds me of John Cleese as Robin Hood in Time Bandits), I like to reword a lyric from Bob Marley -- "You can please some people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time."

    • I actually agree with you that Slashdot has some goodness, but it has NOT evolved and improved significantly over the years. Many of the features of EPR (see my half-assed and humpbacked comment above) are actually based on the problems of Slashdot and the obvious (AKA IOttMCO) solutions. In other words, EPR would be a kind of symmetrical karma on multidimensional steroids.

  • where the truth gets down voted all the time by the mobs

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 27, 2018 @09:18PM (#57022282)

    I wonder if areas of the country that have more of a "politeness" culture use down votes less.

    • That'd be interesting to know. I'd also be curious to see how downvote usage correlates with things like feelings of hopelessness or age. A lot of my friends and acquaintances in their 20s feel like reacting to things on Facebook is pointless, so I won't be surprised if they continue that behavior. But some might return to the platform and use the feature if a high number/percentage of downvotes negatively affects visibility. For the same reason, it seems like the biggest predictor of usage across age group
  • to look like their own failed nations internet?
    The internet was fun as it protected and expected US freedoms. Freedom of the press. Freedom of speech. Freedom after speech.
    Remove that and social media becomes any other failed nations "internet". With extra censorship, reporting, bans.
    • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Saturday July 28, 2018 @05:45AM (#57022970) Journal

      The internet was fun as it protected and expected US freedoms. Freedom of the press. Freedom of speech. Freedom after speech. Remove that and social media becomes any other failed nations "internet". With extra censorship, reporting, bans.

      The US constitution never guarateed the right to not have people say "piss off we don't want you in this private club any more". In fact the constitution protects that freedom.

      Forcing internet forums to host people they don't want is strongly anti-freedom.

  • So, I'm sitting here wondering what kind of commentary will be engendered by posts with 1000 likes and -1000 downvotes. Each social network design choice tends to compel different types of conversation.

  • It's been too long, too long I tell ya! All those stupid baby pictures you love to share? DOWNVOTE! You wanna show me that awesome meal that you had? DOWNVOTE! You have that 89023rd picture of your dog that I just have to see? Upvote. I mean, he is a really good dog: 14/10. You need to tell everyone about how your boyfriend doesn't hold the door for you and you think he's a monster for it? DOWNVOTE!

    Facebook: UNLEASH THE FURY! ;)

  • When it becomes an echo chamber of the largest group of "downvoters" and people get tired of it..

  • The issue fb has with the current system (or at least until Dec 2016 when I got off it), is that smiles and frowns capture the userâ(TM)s emotional reaction but not the value of the post. That is, I wouldnâ(TM)t respond to a typical NYT article about the midterms with an happy/angry emoji, but Iâ(TM)d upvote it if the content was good. So the NYT article would get promoted. Likewise when some political group posts some clickbait bs, only having the options of smile or frown, both of which ra
  • "Support comments that are thoughtful, and demote ones that are uncivil or irrelevant."

    Yeah, right. Like people have ever behaved like that. We will, like everywhere else with similar systems, downvote as a sign of disagreement with the content. Or worse, downvote all comments of a person we do not like regardless of the content.

  • by Karmashock ( 2415832 ) on Friday July 27, 2018 @11:12PM (#57022626)

    The great dream of the internet was that we would be free of the centralized information control systems. A break from the centralized newspapers and centralized television networks.

    And we got it for a time but as the internet became more mainstream in its use and appeal so to did many people flock to reincarnations of the very same systems in meatspace.

    Youtube, facebook, twitter, Google Search, etc need to be deemphaized. We need to use a plethora of services that are so widely distributed that nothing can really be controlled in any kind of organized way across the systems.

    My main problem with facebook is that it is too big. Same issue with Twitter etc. Second issue is that for its size it is under one corporation's dictatorial and arbitrary control. Any platform that is that popular should be an OPEN platform. Something where anyone can set up their space on it to do whatever and it is literally impossible to silence them... outside of court orders etc. But when its all hosted by some company that owns all the IP... there's no freedom. The instant that company feels it wants to nuke someone for any reason they they do it. Which is why such services are bad if they become primary means of information distribution. Its the same problem we had with newspapers and news networks. Bias. Agendas. Prejudice. If the local paper hates politician X and the paper is the primary news source of the region then that is a huge disadvantage to that politician. He could have good ideas or bad ideas... it doesn't matter. He's not going to get a fair try at office.

    You see this all over the place in a million different ways.

    Facebook and Twitter are "fine"... if small. The problem is that they're too prominent to wield the power over collective information that they do. And they've demonstrated repeatedly to be bad shepherds of what little trust has been put in them.

    Solutions? Its already happening. The networks are already tearing themselves apart. They had an ability earlier to save themselves and they arrogantly refused to see the genius of it. What they had to do was democratize their platforms. Give up some control to the user base whilst also permitting healthy balkenization of social groups that don't interact productively with each other.

    They demanded total control and demanded that the population be kept together. A million angry rats in one bag... held by a single hand.

    What could possibly go wrong? :)

    • I wish I wasn't on mobile to respond to this but the fact of the matter is that we,as humans, DO NOT function this way. Centralization keeps happening again, and again, and again throughout history because our brains don't deal with a plethora of choices too well. Put more than five choices in front of us and bulk. Put too many choices, then we force industry standards, effectively reducing the choices. Find an organization that will centralize things for us, we flock to it like insects to artificial sun/mo

      • So does Babel. ;)

        Large centralized systems have issues with scalability. They have issues in efficiency, issues in "buy in", and issues in sustaining themselves generation after generation.

        As I said before, the big networks are already going into a death spiral.

        We get this pretty much every time with monopolies... this notion of things being "forever" but the thing that keeps getting forgotten is that the death of the organization typically happens relatively shortly around the point people think it is "for

        • I think k you've just proved my point. All of these monopolies had the same model: one stop shop. All were taken to task by new innovation, but in the end we just hopped from one master to the next. What's new is how quickly this is happening vs. years of yonder, it's still happening. I'm not knocking your premise and would agree that a plethora of choices is great, especially for competition and prices, but we need to evolve first. That's one thing I can give credit to the newer generations' lower attenti

          • Every day is not like the day before from the beginning of time to the end of time.

            Things change. Gods die. Entire socio-economic paradigms fade into obscurity.

            Why did democracy work? Why did the corporation work

            We change the way we do things and have done so many times.

            As to my examples proving your point...

            What unstoppable tech titan replaced IBM? There was nothing... they were ripped apart by a dozen competitors and to this day not a one of them reigns supreme.

            In regards to General Motors... there's no c

            • Just to make a point about IBM and GM:

              IBM-->Microsoft-->Apple(US),Google(World)

              Ford-->GM(US)-->Toyota/VW(World)

              In example number one, we got industry standards in PCs and now moving that direction with mobile (ARM/LCD/Flash,etc).

              #2) industry standards for decades with new standards likely going in for both autonomy and electric.

              What we've done is limit real new innovation with standards and created the illusion of choice when the choices all source from the same people (e.g. Samsung, LG, Foxconn

              • As to IBM to Microsoft, it fails right there. Microsoft never had the dominance that IBM had in the 40s ~ 70s when it was thought to be unstoppable.

                As to GM to Toyoda, you're not even arguing in good faith with that one as GM is one company and your transition infers either Toyota which doesn't have that same presence or you're attempting to cite the entire global auto market which doesn't support your position. Toyota in the US has a 15 percent market share today. GM at its peak was about 50% of the US car

                • Microsoft has and still has over 90% of the US and Global market share for desktop operating systems and is only being usurped by mobile devices from both Apple and Android, with the latter truly dominating the world. IBM's dominance was prominent until Microsoft came along and gutted them. The difference is the length of time the dominance is shorter than before as technology has been the sole disruptor.

                  If you look at the GM stat, GM had dominance in the US and still is King here, albeit not by much, but w

  • Thank god there aren't a zillion Russian trolls drooling over the opportunity to game this system while Facebook's board of corporate scumbags nearly dislocate their necks looking the other way.

  • by Jarwulf ( 530523 ) on Saturday July 28, 2018 @03:48AM (#57022788)
    with this is just like on Slashdot people are going to use moderation as a 'I disagree with this opinion' button.
    • Ideally those who disagree should state that, and explain why they disagree, to further the discussion.

      I'm curious as to how this FB 'innovation' will pan out over time, if it's actually released broadly.

      My mod points can't be used since I've already posted on this thread.

    • And just like on Slashdot the result will be mixed views as people generally agree on different things.

    • Is that a problem in this case, though? Slashdot votes have descriptions. That kind of moderation is abuse specifically because none of them are "I disagree", although one of them is "overrated" which arguably means the same thing. Yet most people who mean overrated use "troll" or "flamebait" instead, even though those words have specific meanings, because they are trying to manipulate the audience (and meta moderators.)

      But on some sites, there are explicit up and down votes, and on those sites, simply clic

  • by dohzer ( 867770 )

    Nope. Sorry. Fail. You can't wait for the share value to plummet, panic, and then introduce something that everyone has been crying out for, and, in reality, should have been there from the start.
    SAD.

    • I don't think it should be there any more than all the other emojis they've made available. I think the very best solution is on the very least popular social network, G+. There you can either plus something or not. The end. Either you want it to have greater visibility or you don't. It doesn't prevent gaming the system to achieve that goal, but it also doesn't allow gaming the system to bury something you don't like using sock puppets, and meanwhile it also doesn't require that you show approval as a thumb

    • by DogDude ( 805747 )
      "Fail"? "Everyone has been crying out for"? I think you've been spending too much time on Facebook.
  • I swear I remember facebook a few years back saying they wouldn't put in an official down vote system.... because it might HURT FEELINGS! :(
  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Saturday July 28, 2018 @09:28AM (#57023382)

    ... Facebook's share price, I think NASDAQ beat them to the whole downvote concept.

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