Thunderbird v60.0 Email Client Released (thunderbird.net) 100
Thunderbird version 60, featuring a number of new features and changes, is now available as a direct download from thunderbird.net, the email client vendor said. The changelog: When writing a message, a delete button now allows the removal of a recipient. This delete button is displayed when hovering the To/Cc/Bcc selector.
Many improvements to attachments handling during compose: Attachments can now be reordered using a dialog, keyboard shortcuts, or drag and drop. The "Attach" button moved to the right to be above the attachment pane. The access key of the attachment pane (e.g. Alt+M, may vary depending on localization, Ctrl+M on Mac) now also works to show or hide the pane. The attachment pane can also be shown initially when composing a new message. Right-click on the header to enable this option. Hiding a non-empty attachment pane will now show a placeholder paperclip to indicate the presence of attachments and avoid sending them accidentally.
"Edit Template" command. This also solves various problems when saving as template (duplicates created, message ID lost).
"New Message from Template" command.
Allow changing the Spellcheck Language from status bar.
Light and Dark themes.
WebExtension themes are now enabled in Thunderbird.
A default startup directory in the address book window can now be configured.
Individual feed update interval. Read the full-change log here.
Many improvements to attachments handling during compose: Attachments can now be reordered using a dialog, keyboard shortcuts, or drag and drop. The "Attach" button moved to the right to be above the attachment pane. The access key of the attachment pane (e.g. Alt+M, may vary depending on localization, Ctrl+M on Mac) now also works to show or hide the pane. The attachment pane can also be shown initially when composing a new message. Right-click on the header to enable this option. Hiding a non-empty attachment pane will now show a placeholder paperclip to indicate the presence of attachments and avoid sending them accidentally.
"Edit Template" command. This also solves various problems when saving as template (duplicates created, message ID lost).
"New Message from Template" command.
Allow changing the Spellcheck Language from status bar.
Light and Dark themes.
WebExtension themes are now enabled in Thunderbird.
A default startup directory in the address book window can now be configured.
Individual feed update interval. Read the full-change log here.
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They jumped from version 52 to version 60.
This must be YUUUUUUUUUGE!
Re: snorrre (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd say it is Yuge! Between 52 and 60 there was a major revamp/rewrite of the Firefox engine. I don't think they even call it Gecko anymore, now it is Quantum.
TB 52 is Thunderbird Gecko
TB 60 is Thunderbird Quantum
Re:snorrre (Score:5, Funny)
I like how this article starts out with a link.
To a tag.
*facepalm*
The level of incompetence here never ceases to amaze and amuse.
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good god this change log is boring. Who cares?
I'm hoping maildir support will finally be good enough to start using. I suspect that it will work better than mbox on an SSD - especially with a huge inbox. I have 100K+ emails in my inbox and never delete anything, so things move slowly.
Can I use this with Exchange? (Score:1)
Re:Can I use this with Exchange? (Score:5, Informative)
That is what is called in the industry as vendor lock in.
They sell you a wonderfully integrated system, which is all fine and good until you want to De-integrate with the system. Then you need to make the choice, loose features, or replace entire system.
A system that uses Open Standards may have all the features, but will require some additional setup work. As Emails, Calendars, Contacts, Single Signon authentication are all different protocols, and can be managed across may different servers vs an exchange server which does it all... Except when something new comes out.
Re:Can I use this with Exchange? (Score:4, Interesting)
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"DavMail gateway is implemented in java and should run on any platform"
And why would I be stuck with this java stuffs when it's being phased out and eliminate the security concerns? If they are planning a complete rewrite to use open standards I'd be up for it.
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What you're looking for is DavMail [sourceforge.net]. I've been using it for years so that I can have all my email accounts in one program.
Re: Can I use this with Exchange? (Score:1)
Unfortunately not.
This is because the cunts selling Exchange will convince your executive that IMAP is "old" and "insecure" and will very actively encourage them to turn it off.
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My e-mail is currently Outlook and it uses Exchange. If I want to replace Outlook I need whatever I use to also be able to connect to Exchange.
I used to use Thunderbird, but no longer do. Basically I got with my current employer because they (Fortune 500 company) bought out my previous employer. For a few years they left us alone and we managed our own email and I used Thunderbird. Still miss Thunderbird. It was awesome. Outlook is not awesome. It's better than Lotus Notes, but what isn't? Here's a problem you may have. In theory I could make Thunderbird connect to our Exchange server, but the problem is that to set it up, it requires som
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Hi
Not quite sure what you have against Lotus Notes? Last time i really used was around 2007 with IIRC 8.5 version. I've used in in corporate environment with Sametime integration, custom apps and so on. And back then I've found it much better then I currently find Microsoft Outlook 2016 (with Skype). Really Outlook 2016 is very clunky and sucks so much (and it is the best Outlook out there).
Examples:
- try managing a large (lets say 20+) rule set sane with Outlook - impossible, I remember with Notes it was m
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Not quite sure what you have against Lotus Notes? Last time i really used was around 2007...
Not much has changed since then, including the c2007 bugs. Sametime is much better than Skype for Business, though.
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Currently using Thunderbird 52.91 (icedove) on debian to connect to Exchange with ExQuilla add-on for Exchange I believe using the web service port functionality. With Lightning, and LookOut+ add-ons helping translate some of the in-message items, I have functional email for work, and Exchange to Thunderbird Calendar population from invites. I have to RDP to an office machine's Outlook in order to add my own calendar entries if others are to see with Exchange's calendar, and for auto out-of-office messaging
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You're stuck with Outlook until you're dead, unless you're ready to upgrade from Exchange. I predict you will reject that suggestion.
FWIW, I think most people's relatives just delete the deceased's mailserver rather than try to upgrade it, so if you're not willing to, they probably won't either. Death is an important technique to keep in mind, when you're trying to solve legacy problems. So my second suggestion is this: just wait this one out.
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Thunderbird works with Exchange via imap without any plugin. The free Lightning plugin gives you calendar. Exquilla [thunderbird.net] gives you full Exchange compatibility, and used to cost money but is now free.
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If you want to encrypt files on your computer, use disk encryption. There's no reason to separately encrypt data files in each application. Your user account is either allowed to open all your files or it's not.
Most of the rest of your account information is usually queryable. I'm not sure what there is to protect in your non-password account information.
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Your user account is either allowed to open all your files or it's not.
So if want a particular application to see a particular file, but I don't want a different application to have the opportunity to exfiltrate that file, I should make a separate user account for each application that I use. Is that what you're implying, or what am I missing?
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That or don't install software you don't trust. I don't see why email would be different than any other software in that regard.
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That or don't install software you don't trust.
What steps should an end user take to determine what software to trust?
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How would "file access permissions" help if I'm running the application under my own user account? It has permission to read everything that I have permission to read. In order to use the user/group/world permission system, I'm under the impression that I'd have to put each application under its own user account.
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I am beginning to think that the file permission system used by most desktop OS's is insufficient. It would be awesome if I could install an app onto Windows and know that it can't touch any files outside of it's own installed files, without my permission. So if I install a word processor or a graphics editor, I can be assured that out-of-the-box the only files it needs access to are the ones that I click on in the file-open dialog. That is an OS dialog and my clicking on a file gives consent for the app
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I haven't really found a good email client.
So like most people I stick with what I know.
If you are an outlook user, compared to a Thunderbird what are you getting that is going to make you drop it in awe of the other client?
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Yep. This. I'm a reluctant Tunderbird user but it definitely sucks at a lot of things including memory/disk usage and horrible caching. I'd love to quit Thunderbird but what would I go to? I have 10 different IMAP/SMTP accounts that I need to send and receive mail from. I also need the client to run in Windows, something multi-platform is even better. Other that Outlook which is equally terrible but for somewhat different reasons, what other options are there? I would think by now that someone would have wr
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https://www.claws-mail.org/dow... [claws-mail.org]
Re:Version 60 and still crappy (Score:4, Insightful)
As a user who chooses neither Outlook or Thunderbird, here's my list of "killer features" in Outlook:
Similarly, here's my list for Thunderbird:
Personally, I use GMail, which comes with a whole separate list of pros and cons, which basically boils down to "integrates well, but only with Google products", but it works for me.
If you're in a corporate Exchange environment, Outlook is the best integration you'll get. If you run your own non-Exchange mail server, Thunderbird is pretty darned good. If you're lazy and don't care to ever think about email, GMail is probably all you need.
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* Claws Mail [claws-mail.org] - very fast and light-weight GUI client (MUA). ported to many OSes and extended with plug-ins.
* Sylpheed [sraoss.jp] - very light-weight GUI client. Windows/OSX/GTK+(Linux/BSD/etc)
* Mutt [mutt.org] - a bit hard-core but runs reasonably well from command-line on Unix-like systems, even usable on OSX. Windows version is weird (PDcurses port looks the best, but has bugs/work-arounds)
* Alpine [x10host.com] - that classic PINE feel, but still actively maintained.
* Eudora Open Source Edition [mozilla.org] - classic e-mail client. OSE is really a fork
As a step toward switching to X11/Linux (Score:2)
If you are an outlook user, compared to a Thunderbird what are you getting that is going to make you drop it in awe of the other client?
Lately, a lot of people tell me that they plan to switch from Windows to X11/Linux sometime between now and January 2020 when security updates for Windows 7 end. To make the transition smoother, one might consider switching in advance to free software available for both platforms. For example, one might switch early from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice, from Edge to Firefox, and from Outlook to Thunderbird, as a way to minimize the study gradient of learning X11/Linux once the time comes. Even the Free Soft
Why the cut/paste of change notes? (Score:4, Interesting)
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/04/25/1949239/mozilla-seeks-new-home-for-email-client-thunderbird
but I'm happy to see that someone did a little work to the old boy. However, did we really need a cut/paste of the unordered change notes? (Your top feature is "a delete button now allows the removal of a recipient" - really?)
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I'd love to quit Thunderbird but what would I go to? I have 10 different IMAP/SMTP accounts that I need to send and receive mail from. I also need the client to run in Windows, something multi-platform is even better. Other that Outlook what other options are there?
Re:Why the cut/paste of change notes? (Score:5, Insightful)
2018 Called and wants all your data in the cloud so that when it rains it goes *poof*.
We need backup copies of emails! (Score:2)
We are storing backup copies in 4 places.
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And what protocol has replaced IMAP or SMTP? It's still current at this point. The entire email system sort of requires SMTP.
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1997 called and wants its SMTP, POP and IMAP email back.
I won't dignify a response to the troll about SMTP, but I believe most of the webmail clients are just using IMAP on the backend anyway.
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After Kmail got assassinated by a hit squad of misty eye junior coders with "vision", Thunderbird was really the only workable option, even in the darkest days. Eventually Mozilla foundation recognized that Thunderbird users weren't going away and they sensibly got behind it again, while at the same time pulling out of some of their genuinely idiotic adventures. Starting to look a bit like sane governance now.
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Damn you made me remember the old KMail from KDE3. I used it as my main email client at the time.
It's KDE4 replacement was never worthy of the same name. I tried many times to use it, only to uninstall it ten minutes later.
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I've tried to find something better (even paid) that works on Linux and failed.
Thunderbird.net?! (Score:2)
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Apple's mail client - The one built in to OSX. Kinda janky and apparently is getting worse. They keep removing features and breaking things. Offers some nice integration if you're in to the apple world with both feet. Desktop mail software is fiddly and requires a lot of strange exceptions because of the ancient nature of email systems. This is not Apple's strong suit.
I use Thunderbird, Outlook, and Apple Mail at different times. Out of the 3, I prefer using Apple Mail. Though I am still a version or two behind. It's buggy, but the UI is a little more functional then either Outlook or Thunderbird.
These days (Score:2)
I use SeaMonkey as my email program. (Since I run it as my default browser)
I did use Thunderbird a number of years ago
I wonder if anyone still remembers Gerry and Sylvia Anderson and their puppets
SeaMonkey Composer: A separate program? (Score:2)
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I am also a SeaMonkey user. I hope it gets Firefox's v60's Quantum and Thunderbird's v60 soon, but from what I read it could be years. :(
Love for Thunderbird (Score:5, Interesting)
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Love is not the word that comes to mind, more like "greatly appreciate" and "depend on". And I greatly appreciate that Mozilla foundation is getting behind it again. Thunderbird would have done ok as an independent, 100% volunteer project but having some properly paid fulltime engineers on it makes a huge different to how fast broken things get fixed, never mind new functionality.
15 year old bug - basic new mail functionality (Score:4, Interesting)
New Mail Notification Icon remains in Taskbar until manual "get new mail",
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s... [mozilla.org]
15 years old, still "minor" and "unclassified".
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And for 15 years the mail client has worked so yes, "minor" by definition.
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For what? It works, don't fuck it up with your "oooh, shiny" bullshit.
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Like it or not, anyone that has used Outlook expects a calender with their email client. I'm actually glad you don't have to download lighting anymore. It's been a while since I used an email client at home. That's a good change.
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Is there an opensource application or protocol for that?
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LookOut TNEF decoder [thunderbird.net] claims to work with Thunderbird versions up to 64.
LDAP Write Support (Score:2, Interesting)
CardDAV instead of LDAP (Score:2)
I've been pretty happy with CardDAV [wikipedia.org] support via the CardBook addon [thunderbird.net], which lets me connect (read/write) to the same contact list as on my smart phone and web mail. CardDAV is an extension of WebDAV and implemented via HTTP rather than LDAP, but it's far more standardized and specialized to contact management.
Perhaps you can connect via CalDAV to a DavMail [sourceforge.net] intermediary that then translates to LDAP. Perhaps your enterprise can maintain a global DavMail server to ease that. See also Bug 86405 comment 86 [mozilla.org], wh
Two of four plug-ins stopped working. (Score:2)
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maybe someone has to look up a lot of terms in emails for business or research reasons? It's convenient compared to cutting and pasting in browser.
not everyone uses email to chat with Aunt Milly.
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...A more important question is why do you need a search engine in an email client and how to disable it....
I frequently need to look up things that are in email messages. Having the search engine ability in an email client allows me to highlight the text i want to look up, and then select "search" from the resulting context menu. That's much easier and afster than having to copy and paste the text into a browser to use the search engine there.
TB is the best and the worst email client.... (Score:1)
It works as expected and has all the functionality you need. Just solid choice.
But at the same time it has its weird quirks and barely moving when using big IMAP inboxes