Verizon Nears 5G Launch Deals With Apple and Google: Bloomberg (bloomberg.com) 32
In a statement Tuesday, Verizon announced deals making Apple and Google its first video providers for a 5G wireless service its planning to launch in four cities later this year. From the report: The home broadband service will debut in Los Angeles, Houston and Sacramento, California, as well as the newly announced fourth city of Indianapolis, Verizon said Tuesday in a statement. With the introduction, Verizon will provide 5G customers either a free Apple TV box or free subscription to Google's YouTube TV app for live television service, according to people familiar with the plan. After shelving its own online TV effort, New York-based Verizon decided to partner with the two technology giants for video content, a first step toward eventually competing nationally against internet and pay TV providers such as AT&T and Comcast Using fifth-generation wireless technology, Verizon plans to beam online services to home receivers, delivering speeds that match or exceed landline connections.
"No thanks" (Score:1)
"I'd prefer just the regular spying"
Wireless will exceed wired? (Score:3)
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Re:Wireless will exceed wired? (Score:4, Insightful)
Average download speed in the US is 75.94Mbps as of the latter half of last year. [recode.net] The Verizon service has a theoretical limit north of 3Gbps. [cnet.com]
Sure, that Verizon speed is bursty (and congestion constrained) and heavily dependent on conditions and distance. The problem isn't that speed will exceed wired. The problem is that it will end last-mile fiber deployment for the foreseeable future because it's cheaper for Verizon.
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Re:Wireless will exceed wired? (Score:4, Insightful)
Cellular falls behind when lots of people are using bandwidth simultaneously. In wired connections, each node has a dedicated wire and bandwidth. But in wireless communications, the bandwidth is shared. 5G attempts to address that by using MIMO [wikipedia.org] - basically using directional antennas to transmit different things to different locations over the same frequencies. (Imagine it as people in a room using directional flashlights to send messages to each other, instead of controlling a single light switch which turns the room's ceiling light on/off.) I'm curious to see how well it works when scaled up from the simple 2x2 and 3x3 MIMO found in 802.11ac routers.
Not MiMo (Score:2)
5G actually has nothing to do with MiMo. LTE already has MiMo as a mandatory feature. Though, 2 antennas are used.
The higher speed is generated from carrier aggregation. Basically, using multiple channels on the same band or different bands to effectively increase the bandwidth.
LTE has a max carrier bandwidth of 20 Mhz depending on the band. Some bands only support 5 and 10 Mhz bandwidths for example.
Category 16 can support phones support up to 4x carrier aggregation, which does use 4x MiMo and 256QAM modul
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Don't just paste it -- read it:
Today we have switched on 5G-capable sites on the Gold Coast, which enable us to test 5G pre-commercial devices in real world conditions ... It also means we can connect compatible commercial 5G devices for customers in 5G areas as they become available
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Wireless already exceeds wired speed, at least on iPhones. Their Lightning connector uses USB 2.0 speeds, which is far slower than what even 802.11ac supports. Most Android phones use USB 2.0 over micro-USB, and even the USB-C connector can use USB 2.0 speeds. Most likely this is to encourage buying apps/media through stores in which the manufacturer receives a commission, rather than sideloading them.
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Wireless speeds will exceed wired? That seems unlikely.
Are you suggesting that a telephone company may be lying in a country where lying in advertisement doesn't only go unpunished, but seems to be de rigueur?
Colour me shocked (yes, British spelling, UK resident here with 200 MB fibre for just £50 a month).
We need to forget "G" numbers as they no longer have any meaning. What I want to know is what technology they're implementing because I may be a cynical Anglo but I suspect they're just re-branding an older technology like LTE rather than putting
Can they do it w/o metering? (Score:4, Interesting)
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You're thinking about it all wrong. With 3G and LTE, congestion prevents people from using their metered connections as much as they want to. With 5G, people will be able to consume their allotment even faster, thus encouraging spending more for a higher cap.
Why would they spend $billions on 5G rollout/spectrum purchase just to give people greater benefit for the same price? What's that you say, they have to because of the competition? Bahahahaha!
Because they're hoping to compete with cable (Score:2)
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I pay $100/mo for mine and by all accounts it costs somewhere between $9-$13 (depending on who you ask, since you can only get an estimate out of their SEC filings these days)
There you go again. Are you ready to provide quotes of actual language from actual SEC filings that say anything vaguely resembling that proposition? It's a good thing I haven't been holding my breath all this time.
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head on, replacing land lines. Home broadband is incredibly profitable. I pay $100/mo for mine and by all accounts it costs somewhere between $9-$13 (depending on who you ask, since you can only get an estimate out of their SEC filings these days). There's a _lot_ of room for profit there.
I can guarantee it costs more than $13/mo to deliver services to the home. Providing the bandwidth is by far the cheapest part and that's probably where you got your numbers. But the infrastructure is insanely expensive. Poles, pedestals, boring, terminations, repairs, etc. There's a log of material and labor cost in there that needs to be spread over several years. And then figure out that not everyone in the neighborhood or town will actually pay for the service. You might get lucky and get 25% of t
3 weeks, not too bad (Score:1)
Three weeks since it hit the news that they were looking at apple and google
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-23/verizon-is-said-to-seek-google-or-apple-as-5g-tv-provider
Either it took ages to leak, or the deal was done quickly.
forget tv - lower the price (Score:2)
Don't give me an apple tv and a pay tv subscription! I just want bandwidth! I already have a streaming device and subscriptions to my chosen services.
And don't tell me its "free" it is never free, it is simply included in the overly high price.
Interesting forecasts (Score:1)
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Regarding 5G I just stumble across these interesting forecasts showing hoa Asia and Oceania are leading the race: https://www.statista.com/chart... [statista.com] https://www.statista.com/chart... [statista.com]
But I guess China and Asia in generel always have been leading the race...
Continued... (Score:1)
What's the Bottom Line? (Score:2)
How much is 5G home internet service with unlimited data going to cost? Is 5G going to compete with cable or will they collude with cable? I don't have any warm feelings that we will have any kind of effective competition here.
Stand alone 5G home internet will probably be cost prohibitive unless it's bundled with one of their video packages or VOIP phone services.