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Return of the Bubble Car? (reuters.com) 278

mikeebbbd writes: Back in the 1950s, many European carmakers (some of which are still in operation such as BMW) made tiny cars for one or 2 people that ran on tiny amount of gas. The remaining examples of bubble cars have become sort of a fetish. Now two Swiss brothers, according to Reuters, are trying to resurrect one of the more iconic designs -- the BMW Isetta. One wonders how it could meet any kind of safety standards, but a prototype is shown in the article. Perhaps it might be registered as a Neighborhood Electric Vehicle, which gets it by a few standards? Oliver and Merlin Ouboter have more than 7,200 orders for their Microlino, a modern version of the Isetta which swaps the old single-cylinder petrol engine for a 20 horsepower electric motor but keeps the famous front-opening door. The brothers, whose father Wim made millions from modernized kick-scooters, plan to launch the car in December. "The average modern car is way too big for normal use," said Oliver, the project's 24-year-old operations chief.
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  • deathtrap (Score:5, Funny)

    by rainmouse ( 1784278 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:07PM (#57139368)
    The original opened the whole chassis forwards and had no reverse gear. Presumably all the original drivers starved to death after driving into their garage.
  • Hilarious (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:07PM (#57139372) Homepage

    “We have stripped a lot of the needless instruments out,” said Oliver. “In modern cars you have so many buttons I honestly don’t know what many of them are for.”

    And yet you think you're qualified to be a car designer?

    • Re:Hilarious (Score:5, Interesting)

      by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:18PM (#57139458)

      What does an electric car really need? A little OLED screen to show speedometer, battery charge, and warning messages/turn signals/light status.

      A lot of other stuff can be dispensed with. Windows are sliding, so no power needed. Electric chairs in a two-seater are pretty silly. What else? Maybe a USB music player, two dials for fan and air temperature, a reverse/off/forward switch.

      • Tiny "neighborhood cars" with electric motors, for driving around the neighborhood, are common in many areas. They are called "golf carts".

        • Sounds a tad more than just a golf cart since it can go close to 60MPH. Wouldn't want to go on the interstate but it could be used around town where the speed limit isn't above 45 I suppose (well, I wouldn't want to be in one at all but that is just me).

          • Wouldn't want to go on the interstate but it could be used around town where the speed limit isn't above 45 I suppose (well, I wouldn't want to be in one at all but that is just me).

            I"d just be afraid of a car THIS small on hwy OR regular streets.

            You get in a wreck with a SUV or just a regular pickup truck and they'll be cleaning you up with a spatula.

            And even on most streets with "default" speeds of 35mph posted, you'll get run over around here doing 45mph.....

            I've been thinking the same thing every ti

            • This is still a lot safer than a motor bike or scooter, which are currently allowed.
              If you had a point, it missed the mark.

      • by hamburger lady ( 218108 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @04:13PM (#57139864)

        Electric chairs in a two-seater are pretty silly.

        you haven't bought a car in texas, i see.

        • Are you saying Texas will need an electric bench now that courts are making lethal injection too difficult? Oyyyy, don't mess with Texas.
      • What does an electric car really need? A little OLED screen to show speedometer, battery charge, and warning messages/turn signals/light status.

        Ever been in a Tesla Model 3? It's design is minimal. but the screen is not "little".

  • by barc0001 ( 173002 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:08PM (#57139386)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car

    It was a modern version of exactly this concept that would go 100KM on a litre of diesel, hence the name - Euro "mileage" is expressed as liters of fuel used per 100km so 1l/100km. This is an equivalent US mileage of 240mpg.

    The car itself had modern safety standards and good visibility, but was never mass produced, due in no small part to the cost, though the per unit costs would have fallen considerably if it was mass produced.

    • Volkswagen - "diesel-powered plug-in hybrid" - 2015 - "and produces emissions of 21 g/km of CO2" - $146,000

      my guess is that they realized they couldn't sell that particular lie at that cost.

      • Actually that was truthful. The emissions scandal if you recall focused on NOx emissions being greatly under-reported, not CO2.

  • " One wonders how it could meet any kind of safety standards, "

    Easy, no side windows and it's a Quad. Just like the electric Renault Twizy.

    • It's defined as a quadricycle -- a light 4-wheel car for street use in the EU that has to adhere to lower safety standards than larger cars.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      • by XXongo ( 3986865 )

        It's defined as a quadricycle -- a light 4-wheel car for street use in the EU ...

        except, from the image, this one is a 3-wheeler.

        It's cute. I'd get one for bopping around town. Most of the time I don't need the big five-seater sedan.

    • " One wonders how it could meet any kind of safety standards, "

      Easy, no side windows and it's a Quad. Just like the electric Renault Twizy.

      And the driver's legs are the impact crumple zone.

      • " One wonders how it could meet any kind of safety standards, "

        Easy, no side windows and it's a Quad. Just like the electric Renault Twizy.

        And the driver's legs are the impact crumple zone.

        Consider it motivation to drive defensively instead of like a rage-aholic asshole.

      • So if this is unsafe, I assume you are thoroughly opposed to motorcycles going faster than 15mph?

  • Safety standards... (Score:5, Informative)

    by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:12PM (#57139412)

    As to how safety standards can be met: EU has a safety category for light 4-wheel vehicles known as "quadricycles." They have to meet the same (lax) safety standards as three-wheel motorbikes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    • by swell ( 195815 )

      It appears to be a 3 wheeler.

      In many US states it would qualify as a motorcycle. Few safety standards apply. Personally I think that certain 3 wheeled bikes are much sportier, sexier, more fun--and who cares about fuel consumption in that case? OTOH, shy persons may prefer this wimpy ride.

      The MP3 SPORT 500 HPE is one example: http://www.piaggio.com/us_EN/m... [piaggio.com]

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I wonder if they could use external airbags. Cars rely on crumple zones, but if it could reliably sense an impending collision maybe an airbag would work

  • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:13PM (#57139418)

    No need for a complex design. Hell, retirees down in Florida have crazy pimped-out golfcarts already. No need to reinvent the wheel.

  • by hyades1 ( 1149581 ) <hyades1@hotmail.com> on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:13PM (#57139420)

    Charge everybody a hefty fee for driving large personal gas guzzlers downtown in major cities. Provide exemptions for cars like this, electrics and delivery vehicles. They do a limited version of the tax in London already, but it's more of a money grab than a real control on traffic. Even so, it's had an effect.

    • the sort of people who pay that fee would also vote against it. They're also not terribly inconvenienced by gridlock. For a lot it's the only time to themselves they get before going home to the wife/hubby & kids. And they usually live outside the city where pollution isn't an issue.
      • I'm afraid you'll have to explain how London's Congestion Charge came to be, then. It's about $25 US per day, which isn't trivial.

    • If you provide exemptions for cars like this, you've still got gridlock. Just provide free public transit with free parking just outside the congestion fee zone.

    • How statist of you...
    • There's no need for any new, "driving a huge vehicle" tax because that kind of control is already in place: a national gas tax.

      Just raise that $0.18 tax up to $1.00-$2.00. After millions of us pissed off and angry Americans try getting around that social engineering by getting larger electric cars (which would surely appear to fill that newly minted market segment), just slap a new federal vehicle registration fee on all trucks, vans, and full-sized SUVs - regardless of propulsion method - to be collected b

  • We had one (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anne Thwacks ( 531696 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:14PM (#57139428)
    My family had a Heinkel in the 60's, which looks very similar to the Isetta.

    It was great fun. The front opening door was really practical - you drove up to the kerb, front on, and us kids got out safely. Visibility was great - although large trucks might find it hard to see you. Mostly it was driven under the same rules as a motor bike. Had a motorbike type gear change as well, but the Heinkel had a reverse gear, I believe the Isetta did not. I think they should not be allowed on motorways though.

    A friend of mine had a Messerschmidtt (the car, not the fighter) - not nearly as good, and much less safe. Electric is definitely preferable to a 1950's 2-stroke engine in almost any way you can imagine.

    • You'll get my two stroke lawnmower from my cold dead fingers. You will have to fight my heirs for it. Bring a weapon if you want it.

      • You'll get my two stroke lawnmower from my cold dead fingers. You will have to fight my heirs for it. Bring a weapon if you want it.

        You can have my lawnmower for free. I hate it. Ick. Noisy and dangerous.

        Who the heck invented the idea of lawns that need to be mowed, anyway?

        • That would probably UK/European nobility who had large expanses they wanted clear sight lines for (for castles and later mansions/palaces) and happened to have a few handy peasants with their sheep. Adding golf courses to the mix only enhanced the notion of large areas of neatly trimmed grass being a sign of wealth and/or leisure.
      • You'll get my two stroke lawnmower from my cold dead fingers. You will have to fight my heirs for it. Bring a weapon if you want it.

        Hah! You expect to keep a two-stroke engine that long? I have a bridge to sell you!

    • The 2 strokes in from 50's had longer range than this car, so not worse in all ways.

    • by pjt33 ( 739471 )

      (the car, not the fighter)

      Should we infer from the fact that you didn't make the same distinction with respect to the Heinkel that your family vehicle in the 60s was an He 112?

  • by dasunt ( 249686 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:16PM (#57139442)

    I've noticed that US auto buyers are quite good at justifying the car they want.

    I predict most buyers will consider this car to be too unsafe, or too small, or too under-powered.

    It doesn't matter if none of this is true for the driver's purpose. Cars are an extension of the self for Americans, and few people would feel secure enough to drive this.

    • ...I predict most buyers will consider this car to be too unsafe, or too small, or too under-powered.

      If 95% of Americans agree and won't buy one ... that's still sales over 300,000 per year. Which is the sales of the Honda Accord.

    • With the right marketing, I think this vehicle could be very successful.

  • Even if you made the whole thing out of a carbon fiber bathtub, like an F1 cockpit. Getting hit by a 3000lb car would send it flying down the road, like a ping pong ball...

    • Solutions: better collision avoidance (autobrake) tech on cars, and better driver training. And don't be so cowardly -- it's still safer than a bicycle or motor-scooter. Driving need not be an arms race, unless you want suburbanite hausfraus getting Unimogs because OMG, an 18-wheeler might hit you and think about the cheeeeeeldren.
      • Unimogs are cool! I want two. An old one and a new one. I'll daily drive the new one.

  • by future assassin ( 639396 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:18PM (#57139452)

    is already a bubble car with 200hp. No need for smaller as it serves both as a tiny car and easy parking and I can drive it comfortably for 1000km and have power to have fun.

  • That price tag! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Whorhay ( 1319089 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:21PM (#57139480)

    12,000 euro's or about $13,600, you might as well buy a real car for that much.

  • by Cro Magnon ( 467622 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:24PM (#57139506) Homepage Journal

    If the car breaks down, you can carry it home.

  • Steve Urkle! (Score:4, Informative)

    by SumDog ( 466607 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:25PM (#57139512) Homepage Journal

    It's Steve Urkel's clown car!

  • with a nerdy kid named Urkele. He wanted to impress a girl by showing off his BMW so he bought one of these.
  • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:31PM (#57139562)

    I understand it is not a sports car but 90 km/h is ridiculous for a grownup's car today. A good portion of my daily commute is done on road with a 110 km/h speed limit. And I am not even talking about highways, where that car may not even be legal.
    A car like the Smart Fortwo is barely larger but it is at least capable of highway speeds, which means it can be used to access any kind of road safely.

    • Honest question: Where do you live that has a posted limit of 110Km/hr and *isn't* a controlled access highway like the US Interstate or the Ontario 400 series highways? As far as I know, throughout the Anglosphere, highways allowing more than 80km/hr or the equivalent in mph are all controlled access, with on/off ramps, fencing along key portions and so on.
      • 55 or 65 mph (90 or 110 km/h) on uncontrolled-access roads is very common in parts of the US. There are highways with warning blinkers for at-grade crossings (rather than ramps) posted at those speeds.
        • As to where -- go to Arizona, rural California, parts of New Mexico, and West Virginia. Even roads in rural New Jersey are sometimes that way. Part of the road from Long Beach Island to Philadelphia (Hwy 72) is two lanes, uncontrolled access, posted at 55 mph.
  • As long as it has lots of horns. You can never find a horn when you're angry.

  • Looks about the same length as a Smart Fortwo
    Massive compared to a BMW Isetta

    Isetta: 2.29m
    This thing: 2.4m
    Smart fortwo: 2.5m

  • like we need the "The Homer" who should I short be for they roll it out.

  • So they are bringing back the Pacer?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer

  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Thursday August 16, 2018 @04:10PM (#57139842) Homepage Journal

    Only a fool pays for fossil fuel cars anymore. Electric cars use 1/2th the maintenance expense, and in most of the West cost 1/10th the cost to fuel.

    There's your bubble. It's a bubble caused by reliance on grandpa's kerosene fueled Model T.

    Wake up and smell the clean green 2020 world that gave up on your carbon intensive and expensive tax-subsidized lifestyle, gramps!

  • Driving one of these, which, is what would happen if you were silly enough to take one out of a small town environment. On the highway, you'd get squished like a bug!
    • A lot of people drive Smart cars or even motorcycles on highways, and relatively few of them die from the experience. It's more dangerous, but stop exaggerating the danger.
  • When I hear "Bubble Car" I think of the wonderful, mad, mad mad cars Japan built in their economic bubble.

    The 90's Rx-7. The 90's Supra. The Autozam AZ1. The Mitsu 3000GT.

    *sniff* Ahh, the good old days.

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