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This Company Embeds Microchips in Its Employees, and They Love It (technologyreview.com) 250

Last August, 50 employees at Three Square Market got RFID chips in their hands. Now 80 have them. From a report: The idea came about in early 2017, president of Three Square Market Patrick McMullan says, when he was on a business trip to Sweden -- a country where some people are getting subcutaneous microchips to do things like enter secure buildings or book train tickets. It's one of very few places where chip implants, which have been around for quite a while, have taken off in some fashion. The chips he and his employees got are about the size of a very large grain of rice. They're intended to make it a little easier to do things like get into the office, log on to computers, and buy food and drinks in the company cafeteria. Like many RFID chips, they are passive -- they don't have batteries, and instead get their power from an RFID reader when it requests data from the chip.

A year into their experiment, McMullan and a few employees say they are still using the chips regularly at work for all the activities they started out with last summer. Since then, an additional 30 employees have gotten the chips, which means that roughly 80 of the company's now 250 employees, or nearly a third, are walking, talking cyborgs. "You get used to it; it's easy," McMullan says. As far as he knows, just two Three Square Market employees have had their chips removed -- and that was when they left the company.

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This Company Embeds Microchips in Its Employees, and They Love It

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  • by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:42AM (#57144664) Journal
    They're not "walking, talking cyborgs". They are just chipped like cats and dogs.
    • an old meme [wikipedia.org] from Ars Technica I think about a sort of "Trans Humanist" fellow who put a chip in and called him himself a cyborg.
    • "They're not "walking, talking cyborgs". They are just chipped like cats and dogs."

      Sure, but those cats and dogs can enter the house through the electronic flap and the automatic feeder gives them food and the vet knows their name, owner, their allergies and medications.

      I just don't understand the reluctance, people have had radio-playing tooth fillings for decades. :-)
      If you don't want one, don't get one, use a card, a ring or your phone, but these can be lost and stolen.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:22PM (#57145588)

        If you don't want one, don't get one, use a card, a ring or your phone, but these can be lost and stolen.

        Do you even see your own ignorance here? You just described the very excuses businesses will use (loss/theft) in order to take away the option of choice. And at this rate of blind acceptance, it won't be long before getting chipped will be a condition of employment. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I mean after all, it only took you 3 months, 200 resume submissions, and 4 interviews to land a job...you can easily decline the offer, right?

    • They're not "walking, talking cyborgs". They are just chipped like cats and dogs.

      Sssh... my cyborg cat will hear you!

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Livestock might be a better description

    • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

      > They are just chipped like cats and dogs.

      Correct. For "cyborg" to be applied, you have to either regain abilities or gain new ones via integration with something external. If you have some tail that is reading tiny muscle movements or even nerves, that would count. Some kind of bone conduction thing might work. Even something that pricked your skin slightly in the presence of magnetic fields is arguably counting, because it lets you "feel" magnetism (some people did this via implanting small magnet

  • In the Future... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Zorro ( 15797 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:49AM (#57144724)

    Everyone in the concentration camp will get a chip.

    • Everyone in the country will get a chip.

      Fixed!

    • Oh no, everyone will get a chip. That is how they will determine, and locate, who goes into the concentration camps.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Liberals, leftists, communists, socialists, terrorists, antfa thugs, feminists. Such a list!

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Liberals, leftists, communists, socialists, terrorists, antfa thugs, feminists. Such a list!

          Don't forget that the communists (who were liberals, leftists, socialists, etc.) had the Gulag "Corrective Labor Camps" [wikipedia.org].

  • As long as it's voluntary, then more power to 'em. It's not something I would choose, but if they're happy, then I'm happy for them.

    • by avandesande ( 143899 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:54AM (#57144792) Journal
      then I'm happy for them.

      not me, with potential for mob rule making this a requirement
      • by Merk42 ( 1906718 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:51PM (#57145336)

        not me, with potential for mob rule making this a requirement

        But then it's not voluntary, which was GPs stipulation.

        • So are you happy for the people if 75% percent of them accept this? What's the chances of this becoming law? Slippery slope and all but I am disappointed when people accept something like this and am not happy for them.
        • by Kjella ( 173770 )

          But then it's not voluntary, which was GPs stipulation.

          Well he didn't say by law, he did say mob rule which can be a lot more subtle. For example say you want to buy your groceries in cash, well there's four self-checkout lanes (electronic only), two card-only registries and one cash registry. Which always has a line. Or they want you to pay for an electronic ticket on the bus, it starts as an alternative. Then you start getting a rebate on electronic tickets. Then you start selling period cards only electronically. Then the physical ticket machines start disap

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:57AM (#57144844)
      with great big quotes. You don't want to be a spoil sport, do you? Be a team player and get chipped like everyone else.

      I'm left thinking of Hijabs and how they're voluntary in a lot of countries, even though there's enormous societal pressure for women to wear them. I've been watching a lot of Genetic Skeptic on youtube, hence the thought train, but there are other examples. Like "indentured servitude" where you sell yourself into slavery or for a slightly less controversial aspect how about standing for the national anthem. There's just lots and lots of things that are technically voluntary but very much not.
      • by nazrhyn ( 906126 )
        Well, in this case, since 2017, only "80 of the company's now 250 employees" have opted in. That's not to say that it couldn't be exactly as you describe; though, it looks like at least they did an okay job with it.
        • 80 people out of 7 billion; one company out of countless. That is a pretty small and insignificant sample size.

          • by nazrhyn ( 906126 )
            Most studies/trials/prototypes/etc. start with a smaller sample than "everyone". Then we use what we learned there to expand or extinguish.
            • Yeah, true true, but there is the possibility that out of 250 employees; 170 declared right up front, "Fuck this shit."

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      • I think this is more like the fitbits that some companies made their employees wear to get "discounts" on their health insurance. Sure it's "voluntary," but if you don't wear one, your premiums doubled.
    • by lucasnate1 ( 4682951 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:58AM (#57144860) Homepage

      If I put a gun to someone's head and tell them "either you obey or you die", is that voluntary? If I put an economic system to someone's stomach, and tell them "either you obey or you can't feed yourself", is that voluntary?

    • Voluntary is a scary word.

      Voluntary as in it's totally up to you to have this convenience, or else we give you a badge like everyone else, is fine.

      Voluntary as in you can take this RFID or you can find another job is not. This is the one I see on the road ahead, and the laws need to get ahead of it. This is voluntary only for lunatics.

    • >"As long as it's voluntary, then more power to 'em. It's not something I would choose, but if they're happy, then I'm happy for them"

      The problem is that it really isn't truly "voluntary" if there is pressure, coercion, discrimination, etc to comply. The more people that can be convinced into doing it, the more it becomes "normalized" and expected. At some point there will be "rewards" to those who comply, and those rewards exclude those who don't.... which essentially becomes a punishment. I am not s

  • Cold day in hell (Score:5, Insightful)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:52AM (#57144762) Homepage Journal

    It'll be a cold day in hell before I get chipped.

    Chips are for pets and property. Get one if you're looking to join the 21st century chattel slavery.

    • RFID bracelets and watches and smart watches should have been a thing long ago. Medical ones exist but they lack RFID. This is an ACTUAL PRACTICAL USE for the watch or wrist band.

      Hell, rings with RFID data in them should be the next big thing. wedding rings with wedding photos in them and pointless crap like that... but then everybody must think "Why would I wear anything with data in it because I'm attached to my phone anyway."

      Those people too lazy to pull out the phone now just look at their wrist...

      Yu

      • You can get ID cards and bracelets with QR codes on them [qrepublik.com] today, mostly to hold contact information rather than medical records. RFID ones probably exist too but I don't think paramedics or nurses are normally looking out for them. But if you get into a car accident someone will flip through your personal belongings after you've been admitted and attempt to contact your family.

        Within a hospital it is normal for patients to wear disposable bracelet, and RFID patient ID bracelets [pdchealthcare.com] are now readily available to

  • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:53AM (#57144782)
    Translation: 170 employees out of 250 told him to take his idea and get buggered.
  • Best implanted... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:54AM (#57144796)

    ... in the forehead or in the hand.

  • Hmmm. Have they attached rfid readers to atm's yet?
    I wonder how much there trade secrets are worth?
    And traveling around the country on someone else's dime?
    KOOL!

    Keep your damned chips

  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:57AM (#57144834)

    Where implanted microchips will be so ingrained into society that you must have one in your right hand or on your forehead as your government id to drive your car, or to buy, sell, or perform any other kind of business transaction ---- all the functions of your driver's license, car keys, house keys, debit card terminals, etc, will be implemented so that they use the chip to identify you.
    With maybe a slight complication of you type a 3-digit number and push the "Visa" or "Paypal" button to identify which of your credit cards you intend to use for a purchase, etc.

  • by lucasnate1 ( 4682951 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:57AM (#57144848) Homepage

    She was a jew.

  • by TheDarkener ( 198348 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:58AM (#57144850) Homepage

    I'm sure there are a few industries where shoving a microchip under your skin would be "better" than simply wearing a bracelet with the same chip...but, I mean, why implant it? Sure it won't get lost, but seriously. Take some responsibility of your secrets and wear it instead of injecting it semi-permanently. I just don't see the point (aside from the aforementioned few industries).

    Give the user the choice to take it off.

    • Give the user the choice to take it off.

      1.) They did.

      Two took advantage.

      2.) If they can take it off, they can give it to someone else.

      • 1a) Yeah but you can't take it out yourself, can you? You need to have your employer do it for you. What if they have an issue with taking it out?

        2a) This is true. But again, as I said, take some responsibility for your secrets. They can just as easily walk with the other person up to that soda machine and use their chip.

        • by Aaden42 ( 198257 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:23PM (#57145102) Homepage

          Come on... We all watch sci-fi here. All you need to remove your own tracking implant is a dirty mirror, a dull butter knife, a bottle of vodka, and a lighter to cauterize the wound.

          That said, I'm sure any doctor would remove a foreign body from your hand without needing your employer's approval.

          • That said, I'm sure any doctor would remove a foreign body from your hand without needing your employer's approval.

            Still to great inconvenience vs. simply removing a bracelet and putting it somewhere safe. What if your doctor is out for the week? Why have to spend 1-3 hours at the hospital or M.D. office? Seems like a silly argument to me. People would have to be pretty darn incompetent to require it to be embedded in their own bodies for the sake of "not losing it" or something.

            • First of all the implant is stuck into the loose bit of skin between the thumb and forefinger, just under the skin. It would be trivially easy for you to remove on your own and patching it up would probably involve some antiseptic, super glue, and a band-aid. Sure it's probably safest to have a doctor remove it since they'll have clean implements and local anesthetic, but by no means required.

              If I was offered to have an implant like this I'd very likely take it. As it stands if I misplace or lose my RFID ch

              • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

                "As it stands if I misplace or lose my RFID chipped access card I could end up having to take a week or so of leave."

                Why?? The point of RFID is that the things are basically disposable. Lose the card? Okay, we'll cancel that number in the database and here's a new card. Be more careful.

                Last time I locked my hotel RFID card in the room they made me one in about ten seconds.

        • What if they have an issue with taking it out?

          Then they don't have an issue with giving you a paycheck.

          If they don't want to give you money, then they have to deal with you having unobstructed access, even though you don't work there.

          You could have thought of that.

          • If they don't want to give you money, then they have to deal with you having unobstructed access, even though you don't work there.

            You could have thought of that.

            No, that's a silly assumption. They would revoke your secret from the systems that give you access. You don't change access rights to a system by removing a chip from the user, you change or disable the secret on the authentication back end.

            • Then how would this work?:

              1a) Yeah but you can't take it out yourself, can you? You need to have your employer do it for you. What if they have an issue with taking it out?

              2a) This is true. But again, as I said, take some responsibility for your secrets. They can just as easily walk with the other person up to that soda machine and use their chip.

      • by Aaden42 ( 198257 )
        If the only way you can trust your employees not to give their access credentials to someone else is by implanting them, you need better employees (or less paranoia in management), not implants.
        • The issue does have an element of distrust.

          I had a card that I had to display to human or machine many times a day.

          How cool would it be to just tool around without those speed bumps, especially in the cafeteria??

          The need for security and validation exists, no matter what.

          I see this more as a convenience to the employee.

    • I'm sure there are a few industries where shoving a microchip under your skin would be "better" than simply wearing a bracelet with the same chip...but, I mean, why implant it? Sure it won't get lost, but seriously. Take some responsibility of your secrets and wear it instead of injecting it semi-permanently. I just don't see the point (aside from the aforementioned few industries).

      Give the user the choice to take it off.

      Too big. A ring is better.

  • putting the chip on their company ID badges?

    I really don't like having things put in my body that will need to be removed when I rage quit the job. /s

    It's just a matter of "convenience" or laziness when you can't even keep track of a lanyard with a badge on it.

    • ... when you can't even keep track of a lanyard with a badge on it.

      That's the point.

      A badge is portable.

      Embedded iRice isn't.

    • by Aaden42 ( 198257 )
      Don't forget the human element of the badge either. If you're wearing an ID badge that looks passably genuine with your picture and name on it, I can be reasonably assured you belong here and know what name to call you. I can't eyeball your hand from across the room. Are you new? Somebody snuck in, got lost, etc.? Plankton here to steal the top secret crabby patty recipe???
  • I don't know the security features of this system, but it sounds like something that can be easily hacked. If you meet someone at a bar and have with a concealed RFID reader, you could get the information of the chip, encode your own chip, and have access to the facilities. With a card on a lanyard, you can at least keep the card in some place safe. And a remote RFID reader can't read it.

    • Businesses and governments have been using these things for decades now. The RFID chip usually acts as a username and you still have to enter a PIN or password to actually access anything. I'm pretty sure there are also more complicated setups using encryption for query and response.

      The newest thing I've observed myself thought that largely negates people scanning it covertly is that the RFID chips transmit antenna being made weaker. Older chips had out sized antennas and could be ready from a foot or more

  • Surgery just to start a job (and surgery again when you leave the job?) seems a bit extreme.

    which means that roughly 80 of the company's now 250 employees, or nearly a third, are walking, talking cyborgs.

    Wha? If this makes you a "cyborg", then a cochlear implant must make you The freakin' Borg ...

    • by fazig ( 2909523 )
      If I remember correctly the definition of cyborg is so loose that technically something as simple as a tooth filling makes you a cyborg. This makes it pretty much useless as a descriptive expression.
  • by IWantMoreSpamPlease ( 571972 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:22PM (#57145090) Homepage Journal

    And therein lies the path to slavery and servitude...

  • >> when he was on a business trip to Sweden -- a country where some people are getting subcutaneous microchips to do things like enter secure buildings or book train tickets.

    STOCKHOLM SYNDROME! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    Leave it to da Svwedish!

  • What happens when they have something in their office that is worth a criminal chopping off an employee's hand to get the chip?
  • It causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    • So, if they put it in the left hand, does that get around this prophecy?

    • That's why I got mine implanted in my left hand.

      Well, I put it in my left hand because I'm right handed. So, if I got an infection/cancer, I'd only lose my non-dominant hand.
    • See, the whole "implantable computer chip" thing has been a recurring thing since the late 1970's; the movie "A Thief in the Night" was the first to widely circulate the idea.

      However, on the topic of "the Mark of the Beast", implantable RFIDs aren't what worries me. China is currently doing the heavy lifting.

      Instead of FICA scores, China's got social credit scores through Alibaba. One person not paying their bills affects everyone else who does, so they are far more likely to be ostracized. Many places won'

  • Will they pay doctor bills if it goes bad for life? Or will you have to use the workers comp system to get them paid?

  • A chip like that only accounts for losing two, maybe three humanity points. So they're all good. Now pacemakers on the other hand...

  • They love it, huh? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Malays Bowman ( 5436572 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @03:04PM (#57146258)
    ...or is this a case of "You better pretend to love it, and say that you love it- OR ELSE!" I don't believe for a second that each and every one of those employees 'love' it, and not one thinks otherwise.
  • i hate this (Score:4, Insightful)

    by kaatochacha ( 651922 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @04:04PM (#57146602)

    Company presidents come up with stupid ideas and justify them all the time by saying nobody objects.
    You're the president, you moron. Nobody is going to object to your pet project unless they want to get fired, demoted, or put on the eternal "troublemaker" list.

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