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After Initially Calling The New York Times' Report False, Facebook Confirms Most Claims Made in the Story (nytimes.com) 78

Nellie Bowles and Zach Wichter, reporting for The New York Times: Joining a long tradition of companies and campaigns that drop bad news on holidays, Facebook on Thanksgiving eve took responsibility for hiring a Washington-based lobbying company, Definers Public Affairs, that pushed negative stories about Facebook's critics, including the philanthropist George Soros. Facebook's communications and policy chief, Elliot Schrage, said in a memo posted Wednesday that he was responsible for hiring the group, and had done so to help protect the company's image and conduct research about high-profile individuals who spoke critically about the social media platform. Mr. Schrage will be leaving the company, a move planned before the memo was released.

Facebook fired Definers last week, after a New York Times investigation published on Nov. 14. "Did we ask them to do work on George Soros?" Mr. Schrage wrote in the memo, a draft of which had circulated online earlier in the week. "Yes." He added: "I'm sorry I let you all down. I regret my own failure here." This is a change from just a few days ago, when Facebook wrote on Nov. 15 that the Times report was full of "inaccuracies." The same day, Sheryl Sandberg, the company's chief operating officer, posted on her Facebook page that she had no idea the company had hired Definers.


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After Initially Calling The New York Times' Report False, Facebook Confirms Most Claims Made in the Story

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  • Yeah, bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)

    by H3lldr0p ( 40304 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @06:05PM (#57690238) Homepage

    You're sorry you guys got caught, not that you were doing anything wrong. Please go cry me a river somewhere else.

    • Re: Yeah, bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mrvco ( 5069481 )
      Facebook needs to die a slow, public death.
  • Is anyone surprised? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ITRambo ( 1467509 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @06:07PM (#57690248)
    Zuckerberg has a history of following the motto "it's easier to apologize than to ask permission". No one should be surprised when Facebook's initial response is childish denial instead of a factual explanation of events.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      The entire Web 2.0 generation has been doing this with impunity, which is part of how they overcame the 1.0 guys who were naive and pushing some limits, but not generally flaunting the law, or the expectations of most of their userbase.

      While geocities, myspace, infoseek, etc had their issues, most were not outright evil and amoral like the generation that replaced them (Excluding AOL, Time-Warner, SBC etc.)

    • by xystren ( 522982 )
      Yeah, Zuck does have that history... He also has a history of non-apologizes apologies.
  • Typical response (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DaMattster ( 977781 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @06:08PM (#57690256)
    This is the typical response of a corporation: deny and obfuscate until caught with the pants down to the ankles. May more bad shit happen to Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @06:15PM (#57690280)

    Saying that a negative story contains "a number of inaccuracies" is classic weasel-wording - attempting to give the appearance of denial without actually stating an outright falsehood (for which they could get sued, if the truth came out).

    I didn't spend a whole lot of time reviewing the original Facebook statement, but I don't think they ever actually denied the central information in the Times report.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Lies! All lies! . . . I have no knowledge of such action. . . . The persons responsible have been identified, and will be executed.

    Sounds just like Saudi Arabia

    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      This story is confusing. So Facebook gives accounts free to users and sells ads. Facebook users didn't want certain ads shown, and a PAC criticized them? Facebook then hired a lobbyist to criticize the PAC? So, what exactly did they do wrong, other than maybe cause an inconvenience for a class of users who they might write a small check to? It sounds like they did everything exactly the way they should have except when they screwed up showing these ads.
  • by ErikTheRed ( 162431 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @06:25PM (#57690312) Homepage

    Silicon Valley has this Janus-like political stance where they behave like caricatures of the most amoral greedy sociopathic businesspeople while ostentatiously parroting progressive dogma as if it somehow balances the whole thing out anywhere outside of their twisted little minds. The left happily and hypocritically ate it up while the negative aspects of their behavior were carefully hidden away, but now that the curtain has been pulled back the infighting has begun and now it's funny to watch.

    This isn't a blanket condemnation of business or progressives (there are plenty of outstanding people and organizations in both areas), but representative politics has a horrible way of bending the path of humanity towards kakistocracy (government by the worst possible people).

    • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @07:22PM (#57690544)

      Silicon Valley has this Janus-like political stance where they behave like caricatures of the most amoral greedy sociopathic businesspeople while ostentatiously parroting progressive dogma as if it somehow balances the whole thing out anywhere outside of their twisted little minds.

      Money corrupts (some) people regardless of politics but in many cases corrupt people excel in business because they already are amoral greedy sociopathic people.

      The real question is, how do stop corrupt behavior from benefiting? The correct answer is laws and regulations because you cannot force ethical behavior to occur but you can penalize unethical behavior.

      • by mentil ( 1748130 ) on Saturday November 24, 2018 @04:36AM (#57691838)

        What do you do when the lawmakers and regulators are themselves corrupt because they benefit from being negligent in their duties? Vote them out? I'm thinking we need to take the nuclear option of Plato's idea of a ruling class forbidden from owning money/property.

        • Or the lifetime-appointed judges who rule how they feel is correct, despite explicit language in the Constitution to the contrary.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        No, the real question is why do people continue -- despite thousands of years of examples -- to think that building up silos of centralized authority and power will do anything other than result in corrupted institutions run by the worst possible people.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 23, 2018 @07:41PM (#57690628)

      I don't see how anyone can see billionaire tech bros as "the left". Their entire philosophy and business model is "leech off the many, for the few". That's about as far from socialism as you can get.

      Of course they don't care if you're gay, have an abortion, are in a minority or are from another country; to them everyone is just a resource to further their own wealth and power. If they can parlay their indifference into some good PR then of course they will, but if it helps them they will not hesitate to treat anyone like shit; just because they do it indiscriminately doesn't make them progressive.

      Zuck has always been an a-moral toerag; whatever belief or allegiance he professes is only what he thinks will reflect best on him.

  • by trade market ( 5552942 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @06:46PM (#57690416)
    “Whenever Roy (Cohn) wanted a story stopped or item put in, or story exploited, i.e (Gerradine) Ferraro—and her family, Roy called Murdoch.” When there is a story to be exploited, people usually call the Republican 'Definers'. It was the same in the 1980s as it is today. The 'Definers' of that era was people like Donald Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn. Roy Cohn enlisted his friend and the owner of the New York Post, Rupert Murdoch, to help bring down oppositions' narratives and character. And guess who was also working with Roy Cohn and Donald Trump in those days with these dirty tricks? - it was Roger Stone.
  • Sandbagged Sheryl Sandberg needs a plan to gain control over what's actually happening in the company she runs, right under her nose.

    Failure to execute such a plan means exactly what you think it means.

  • by Tough Love ( 215404 ) on Friday November 23, 2018 @07:22PM (#57690540)

    Facebook's communications and policy chief, Elliot Schrage, said in a memo posted Wednesday that he was responsible for hiring the group, and had done so to help protect the company's image

    Protected Facebook's image all right, the image of moral bankruptcy.

  • Yay, we have fun new term!

  • they confirmed the claims late on a Friday afternoon of a holiday weekend. Sorta like how Uber released a video that made it look pitch black at the time their car hit that woman and then a few weeks later it came out that the video was taken from a low light camera and there was plenty of visibility...
  • by Anonymous Coward

    After Initially Calling The New York Times' Report False, Facebook Confirms Most Claims Made in the Story

    Mark Zuckerberg, and the asshole corporation he founded, are based entirely on the premise that everything they say is a complete lie intended only to further their own goals.

    Mark Zuckerberg is a lying sack of shit. That's what his entire empire is founded on, being a lying sack of shit.

    So someone found out Mark Zuckerberg is a lying sack of shit, who paid some other lying sack of shit PR company to sp

  • Simple solution: Abolish all holidays!

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