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Internal Emails Show Facebook Weighing the Privacy Risks of Quietly Collecting Call and Text Records From Its Android Users -- Then Going Ahead Anyway (theverge.com) 117

Earlier this year, many Android users were shocked to discover that Facebook had been collecting a record of their call and SMS history, as revealed by the company's data download tool. Now, internal emails released by the UK Parliament show how the decision was made internally. From a report: According to the emails, developers knew the data was sensitive, but they still pushed to collect it as a way of expanding Facebook's reach. The emails show Facebook's growth team looking to call log data as a way to improve Facebook's algorithms as well as to locate new contacts through the "People You May Know" feature. Notably, the project manager recognized it as "a pretty high-risk thing to do from a PR perspective," but that risk seems to have been overwhelmed by the potential user growth.

Initially, the feature was intended to require users to opt in, typically through an in-app pop-up dialog box. But as developers looked for ways to get users signed up, it became clear that Android's data permissions could be manipulated to automatically enroll users if the new feature was deployed in a certain way.

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:03PM (#57754208)
    Face it: you have to leave Facebook. You cannot un-know things like this. There's no rules anymore, they do whatever they want, and they're invading every last vestige of your personal lives now, whether you were asked or not. It's time to leave Facebook, do it NOW.
    • by DickBreath ( 207180 ) on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:09PM (#57754246) Homepage
      Don't tell people to leave facebook. In a democracy, Facebook plays an absolutely important role in manipulating elections, dividing people into echo chambers, or polar opposites violently fighting each other which escalates into real life fights.

      Facebook also protects your private information from ever being lost by securely backing it up with redundant copies being sent to many unknown third parties who pay to have backups of your personal info.
      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        You're on Facebook, eww, really lame, like desperate to pretend you have a life or what. Bad enough that you sell out your own digital life but you also sell out all the people you have in your contacts, sell out the privacy of your friends, so the freaks and perves at facebook can target and manipulate them, what kind of ass hat are you.

        Don't tell them to leave facebook, make them feel bad for being a part of facebook, for selling out themselves and those they know to facebook. Only boring losers, the she

        • +1

          "You _still_ use Faceboot?"

          "No, I don't have a Faceboot. Don't have an AARP card either."

          "What, does your boss require you to have a Faceboot or something?"

          "Nah, I don't use Faceboot. I have an actual life, you see."

          There are many others.

          I always make it a point to enunciate the "t" in Faceboot. Everyone gets it.

    • by r_naked ( 150044 )

      Why do you care if people want keep their head in the sand and ignore the fact that Facebook cares not one bit about their privacy?

      Heck I hope more people sign up. Then when there is some massive data breach, it just makes it all the more amusing for those of us that have no accounts, and go out of our way to foil their shadow profile builder as well.

    • It's never enough (Score:5, Insightful)

      by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:30PM (#57754398)

      Face it: you have to leave Facebook. You cannot un-know things like this. There's no rules anymore, they do whatever they want

      I would ask the people of Slashdot to face something else; the truth that most people do not care about privacy. At all.

      Continuing news like this from Facebook just makes it ever more obvious.

      You have to figure out how to live in the world, knowing this fundamental truth and the truth that follows - even if you leave Facebook, there will always be another Facebook like milking of your privacy, because it doesn't bother most people.

      • You have to figure out how to live in the world, knowing this fundamental truth and the truth that follows - even if you leave Facebook, there will always be another Facebook like milking of your privacy, because it doesn't bother most people.

        Horseshit. That's no fundamental truth.

        You're saying: Some Foos are also Bars. If Bar ceases to exist, it will be replaced by a Baz that is similar. Foos who were also Bars will likely then become Bazes. Therefore, All Foos are Bars or Bazes.

        But that is False. Bar being replaced by Baz does not change that while some Foos are Bars, others are not. And those others that are not Bars will often still not be Bazes even after Bar disappears.

        This is not a difficult matter of logic. Learning "how to live in the w

      • and couldn't care less about privacy. I'm way, way more worried about not having access to healthcare, the fact that my pay is 20% less than my parents and that my country is fighting 8 illegal wars (illegal in that not a one has Congressional authorization).

        Privacy violations are a symptom of the problems faced by the working class, not the problem itself. The real problem is that there's a class war on, and my side is losing.
      • +1000. I think it comes down to a lack of living memory (in the west) of actual oppression. I can't speak for places like Argentina or Russia - are they more about privacy/anonymity because of their recent history? I don't really think so?
        And in the US? "Oh noes, Trump's black helicopters!" is bullshit factionalism only; nobody's 'disappearing', there are no Konzentrazionslagers. Jjackbooted fascists are boogymen waved about for-purpose, like the guns fired by cowboys to get the cattle all to run effic

      • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

        Its also true leaving facebook does next to nil for your privacy (well okay stop using their vpn). The thing is all your friends are still on facebook. facebook is still slurping up their contact lists with you on it. They are still gobbling up pictures with you in them and their geo tags; if anyone has ever tagged you before they have your face and will recognize you anyway.

        Unless you can literally get the majority of people you know to dump facebook too - they have and they will continue to be able to

      • People don't care about privacy but may care that facebook use is correlated with depression (links everywhere). Usually I don't log in for days or a week or two, and when I do come back I feel a mixture of expecting a hit and a mild wave of depression. The posts feel like they are made by people trapped in a cage. I usually don't stay more than a few minutes.

        I've been recommending what I found worked for me: I used Social Book Post Manager browser add-on to undo everything I've ever posted or liked or comm

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        I would ask the people of Slashdot to face something else; the truth that most people do not care about privacy. At all.

        The main problem I think is the discrepancy between what harm you could do and what harm is actually done. I've walked around with a radio buoy aka cell phone most of my adult life. I'm sure there's lots of potentially bad things you could do with that data, but have I actually seen the cell phone operator or the government abuse it? Not that I'm aware of. I've been paying for more and more things electronically with e-tail and just in general. I'm sure there's lots of potentially bad things you could do wi

    • Facebook is a dopamine delivery system.

    • because that's how they connect with people. In particular adults have a very, very hard time meeting people. Especially in an age of declining church attendance. Facebook groups are a replacement for that. If you want folks off Facebook the only way would be a replacement for that feature.
    • by rnturn ( 11092 )
      Seriously... The smartphone purchase process is: 1.) Buy smartphone, 2.) Immediately go to the Settings -> Apps screen and uninstall the damned Facebook application.
    • IIUC people had allowed access to their email contacts, but I NEVER DID. Yet I had figured out about a year ago that Facebook had stolen my phone/sms metadata since they spotted as "Suggested friends" 2 persons I had only contacted by phone/sms on an Android phone (I don’t even know their email). I am talking about people living around Torino, Italy, an area with a population of several millions.
    • by twebb72 ( 903169 )
      I have not logged in since 2000. There is no leaving Facebook. They are still tracking everything I do in order to curate my shadow profile.

      While I agree that everyone should leave, but short of that, they need heavy regulation
  • Not a surprise! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:08PM (#57754240)

    This behavior is not surprising at all considering that the only reason that Facebook exists is to collect data to sell to advertisers. Everything that they do is to increase profits. They really don't care about people or privacy...its all about the money!!!

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  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:13PM (#57754274)
    ... the worse Facebook looks.
  • Are there still people surprised by this behaviour?
    Facebook is since years known to invade users and non-users privacy.
    I belong to the last group and have to install various add-ons to escape their vacuuming of personal data.
    • It was pretty obvious when everyone started getting those phishing emails from friends and family that are on Facebook but which have never communicated online via email and otherwise have no online presence other than Facebook.
  • by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:22PM (#57754344)

    This isn't just Facebook's fault. It's Google's too. Note how they only did this on Android phones. Because Apple made their OS protect their users, and Google made their OS enable spying.

    • When it's convenient for them [f-secure.com]. Rather than pay to use someone else's SSID map database, or pay people to roam around the world and record the SSIDs for them, Apple simply lifted visible SSIDs and GPS data from iPhone users' phones.

      This happened about the same time Google was caught accidentally recording more than SSID with their street view cars. Google admitted they did wrong, and the EU fined them. Apple never admitted any wrongdoing, and the EU never did anything about them. What we have today is
      • It's not great, sure. However, it is only used in the aggregate by the first-party provider (assuming you don't opt out). Google allows any app on your phone to get personal data on you. And your call/text logs seem even more sensitive than your GPS/SSID data.

        Both are bad, but there are degrees of badness. Significant degrees.

    • You missed the biggest source of the problem:

      Everyone USING Facebook.

      People get EXACTLY what they deserve. i.e. If they are dumb enough to use Facebook in the first place, then they shouldn't be surprised that someone profited off their stupidity.

      The sad part is that nothing will change. People will whine about the problem but the majority will stay.

  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:25PM (#57754360) Homepage Journal

    And that goes for my 254 fake FB accounts too!

    Oh, you mean you actually have FB on your tracked cellphone with Android?

    Ok, you're just pulling my leg there, no way anyone would be dumb enough to do that.

  • Facebook is also available as a website, so why bother installing an app for it that just intrudes more on your privacy? If you must use it, just use the mobile website within a browser like Chrome. That way they should not be able to monitor what is going on outside of the website. Or is there some way that they can still access that info, even from inside a web browser, which I am not aware of?

    • Because ... IF you use the app, Facebook makes more money.

      Don't you understand that basic structure of the industry?

    • Chrome is a Google app. I'll let you draw your own conclusions about what they pass to Facebook, as a *Professional Courtesy* of course! Then there's your service provider, who usually doesn't charge Facebook against your data quotas. There has to be a reason why. The only safe thing to assume is that you're on a party line, and just like in old time Soviet Union, the cops are listening.

    • No it doesn’t. They stole my phone/sms metadata though I never used their app and have no contact uploaded.
      • Fascinating - may I ask how you know they accessed your data? It would be extremely helpful, and I didn't see it in the article (though I only skimmed it), if there was a way to find out if FB has this specific set of data on each of us. I am under the impression that you can request a dump of all the data they have on you, but pouring through that much information just to find out if they have phone call & SMS metadata seems like a lot of work :/

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      The thing is facebook has the methods of subtly steering people into their apps that are very effective. One example and I have little doubt there are others, is "private" and I use the term loosely messages. You can't read them on the mobile site! You can't even read them in the mobile app you have install FBs other app messenger and give it the access it wants. Oh but you can see that you have a private message - or - maybe its not really a message maybe its a bogus friend request from one of what I su

  • It is an evil company. Zuckerberg should be arrested.

  • If you care about any data that could be collected from your phone, you should probably consider not using a smartphone at all. It shouldn't be news to anyone at this point that all free apps collect and sell your data, to some degree. Also you should probably stay away from PCs and smart TVs.

  • by RockDoctor ( 15477 ) on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:34PM (#57754418) Journal
    The link to the actual government data is in this story [slashdot.org].
  • You mean to say that many people actually believe all that "privacy policy" bullshit? Rhetorical question...

  • Making popcorn for this one.
  • Suckerburged again!

    It should become synonymous with willingly having the wool pulled over your eyes.

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