FCC Chairman Admits Russia Meddled In Net Neutrality Debate (engadget.com) 171
FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has admitted that around 500,000 comments submitted during the net neutrality public comment period were linked to Russia email addresses. "Pai noted in a court filing that most of the comments were in favor of net neutrality, which the FCC repealed last December," reports Engadget. From the report:
The New York Times and BuzzFeed News have filed freedom of information requests in the hopes of uncovering the extent of fraudulent comments and Russian influence in the net neutrality process. Pai's filing was part of an FCC memorandum that addressed the requests, and the agency has argued that releasing the data could expose the U.S. to cyberattacks.
Pai's concession underscores how Russia's influence on U.S. democracy extends beyond headline-grabbing election interference and fake news peddling, and it also reflects the litany of issues the FCC faced during the net neutrality comment period. Over half of the almost 22 million comments came from phony, temporary or duplicate email addresses, according to a study, and reportedly only 17.4 percent of the comments were unique.
Pai's concession underscores how Russia's influence on U.S. democracy extends beyond headline-grabbing election interference and fake news peddling, and it also reflects the litany of issues the FCC faced during the net neutrality comment period. Over half of the almost 22 million comments came from phony, temporary or duplicate email addresses, according to a study, and reportedly only 17.4 percent of the comments were unique.
Re: (Score:1)
I'll let you know when he stops antagonizing Russia.
lol. He refuses to pull his tongue out of Putin's arsehole. Pee pee tape? Helping Trump win the election? As I said... You are an amazingly stupid cunt.
Re: (Score:2)
Didn't happen and won't happen. Mueller has nothing; otherwise, he would bring something other than process crime charges.
Re: (Score:1)
s/process crime charges/fraud/
There, ftfy.
Re: (Score:2)
Why do people get trolled by this mediocre crapflooder?
I'm stealing your bait, and snagging your hook in that sunken log over there.
Have fun.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Trump is about to face charges for ... (snip)
Assuming you are talking about Trump Sr, you do realize that this is totally wrong. You CANNOT charge a sitting president with ANYTHING. DOJ regulations forbid this.
So... If Trump Sr is about to face charges, real ones, he's going to either need to be impeached and convicted or resign office first. I don't think either of these situations is remotely possible, both politically and by Trump's personality traits. The Republicans in the Senate won't vote to convict Trump in sufficient numbers to get a con
Re: (Score:2)
Assuming you are talking about Trump Sr, you do realize that this is totally wrong. You CANNOT charge a sitting president with ANYTHING. DOJ regulations forbid this.
Maybe, but the state attorneys general are fully within their rights to charge a sitting president, if such crimes were committed within their jurisdictions. The question of presidential immunity is still hotly debated, but only for crimes committed while IN office. Not those committed before taking the oath.
Additionally, the congress has the power to indict all on it's own, and while I don't hold much hope that the repubs will do the right thing if credible allegations come out, there are a fair number o
Re: (Score:2)
Charge away... As I recall, Clinton very nearly escaped having to participate in discovery in a civil suit and very clearly was going to be able to defer action on a civil suit. A criminal charge of a president is even MORE likely to be legally squashed. Even when they had WJC dead to rights on perjury, the criminal action on the charge had to wait until he left office. Trump will be no different.
Also, The Federal courts are likely to table any actual charges from any state or locality while the president
Re: (Score:2)
The US house of representatives certainly can investigate and bring charges of (snip) on a sitting president for the purposes of impeachment, the constitution says so.
Impeachment charges are NOT criminal charges. But you already knew that. Impeachment is by it's very nature a political action and has nothing but a passing relationship to criminal charges.
But tis telling that you don't argue my assertion that there is exactly zero chance of a conviction in the Senate should the house actually make the stupid mistake and impeach.
To paraphrase Dirty Harry "Go ahead punk, make my day, impeach!" It worked out so horribly well for the Republicans when they tried it during
Re: (Score:2)
So, you insist on moving the goal posts AGAIN? First it was collusion, now it's something more? come on...
What was Mueller supposed to be investigating? As I recall (and just goggled) Mueller is tasked with investigating any relationships between Russians and the Trump campaign (and any crimes uncovered during the investigation). So what is this new crime you speak of?
Your "conspiracy to defraud the American people" means exactly what in this context? And which law are you thinking is involved? When did
Re: (Score:2)
as we've seen from republican control of the House, investigation and charges against the sitting president don't have to have any basis in law and can be completely political in nature. According to the recent republican examples of investigation, the standard of investigation and allegation seems to be anything that benefits my party.
Oh sure... They can do that.
The House can even impeach the president because they don't like how he ties his shoes if they like.
Impeachment is not a legal process, it's a political one and for the next two years, nay the next two election cycles at a minimum, there is nearly zero chance for an actual conviction in the Senate for Trump. Nobody votes to convict a president from their party, at least they haven't in recent history and who here thinks an impeachment will induce Trump to resign? No, he's in
Re: (Score:2)
Politicians with actual principles?
I'm sorry to say that BOTH sides of the isle have their issues with ethics and morals but there is a reason for this. It's a sad fact that you pretty much MUST lie, or at the very least be misleading, to get elected. With the country deeply divided and entrenched in their political perspectives, lying is the only thing that makes you electable. Well, it's one WAY to get elected I suppose, the easy way...
Politicians who are skilled in the art of getting elected are ski
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
The Russians don't back Trump, and never did. All they're trying to is stir up hate and discontent, which is exactly what you're helping to do.
Comrade.
Re: (Score:2)
The Russians don't back Trump, and never did. All they're trying to is stir up hate and discontent, which is exactly what you're helping to do.
Comrade.
Which is EXACTLY what Rosenstine's statement when he announced Mueller charging the Russian companies way back when actually SAID and if you read the charges what the Russians where accused of actually doing.
The whole Russian effort here was to undermine the American citizen's faith in their elections and foster division among us. Why? Because a divided America is weaker and less of a threat to Russia and it's interests.
Putin's meager investment has paid off. He hit the jackpot with Trump's election an
Re: (Score:2)
Faggot? Is that supposed to be an insult?
Leftists are so hypocritical.
Re:Take that in Slashdot, you are siding with Russ (Score:5, Insightful)
Huh? Why? Are you unable to think for yourself, so you just have a knee-jerk reaction that anything the Russians might be for, for any reason, you're against?
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
Can't you be more vulgar and scatological? You're not pulling your weight, bro.
hard to predict (Score:4, Interesting)
When it was done in such an easy to detect way one has to question the motives. If it was a state based attack, they are capable of doing a much better job than illustrating how the FCC didn't filter it's comments for duplicate emails...
If they want to be caught on 1 level, it can undermine the side they are supporting by lowering the credibility of that side as a bunch of hackers and not REAL people. On another level it can look like the SuperKendall thinks it does because they assume you think they really are that sloppy.
Helping the telcos only makes people upset and stand up more against the corruption; Russian tactics are the opposite. They want you to feel powerless and cynical as hell. So helping telcos cheat can do that to some degree but past a certain point it does good long term; as reforms can happen. The goal is to make reform so pointless people won't bother. Killing grassroots reform by undermining it does far more damage; getting the culture to discourage all traits that keep things functioning.
Like having provocateurs throwing rocks at cops in a peaceful protest; encouraging the fools and nutcase fringe to unknowingly harm their side by empowering them; otherwise, they'd be largely ignored by their own side. This way protesters and cops get divided even more despite it becoming public later that only 2 people involved; or even if 1 of the two was fake.
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
The goal was to create chaos and undermine democracy in the US. The fact that it was easily detected just makes it easier to prove that Pai and the FCC must have known but covered it up because it produced the result they wanted.
Re:Take that in Slashdot, you are siding with Russ (Score:4, Interesting)
According to the very study cited, while most of the emails might not have been legit, of the ones that WERE, fully 99.7 of them supported Net Neutrality.
And there are a lot of VERY damned good reasons for that, too.
Re:Take that in Slashdot, you are siding with Russ (Score:5, Informative)
Of the approximately 3,828,000 legitimate email comments received by FCC:
3,816,516 were in favor of Net Neutrality.
Only 11,484 were not.
Obviously the numbers are subject to rounding error. But rounding error is pretty irrelevant when the majority is that overwhelming.
Re: Take that in Slashdot, you are siding with Rus (Score:5, Funny)
And here is a wookie. The defence rests your honour.
Re: (Score:2)
I find your argument compelling.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
This is the best that you can come up with for the new party line? "Net neutrality is a Russian plot to destroy the Internet"? That's not even clever.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Most of you here on Slashdot are supporting a side Russia is strongly supporting. Doesn't that tell you anything about how wrong it is to support Net Neutrality as the FCC had it?
You believe Pai's comments on this? lol. You are a stupid cunt, mate.
Re: (Score:1)
Pai's highly questionable claim, and yours, tell me that opponents of net neutrality are so desperate that they're going to the same "Russia did it!" nonsense that Clintonists adopted when they lost.
Re: (Score:2)
This isn't a troll.. well it might have started as one the headline is trollish but there is a legitimate point in there. As it stood we had a policy that declared the absence of net neutrality to be net neutrality. This is no different than the law that was supposed to reign in the already illegal warrantless activity of the NSA that instead gave it legitimacy.
He is hardly the first or the only one but the later Obama years were particularly egregious in this kind of behavior where the public would be upse
Re: (Score:2)
Most of you here on Slashdot are supporting a side Russia is strongly supporting. Doesn't that tell you anything about how wrong it is to support Net Neutrality as the FCC had it?
Here let me explain why that's getting you flagged Troll here. Your argument lacks any amount of depth outside of of "hey let me scare you and back that up with nothing". But wait there's more to your comment here...
but you have all been lied to if you think the 30 page monstrosity the FCC originally had was anything like what you want
Again, let me make a statement that has nothing in the sense of actual substance. Really? Can you please cite any single page thereof that you'd like to argue? Making statements like "your ideas suck because bad guy likes them" is pretty much akin to getting into a real debate and then just
Lock Him Up! (Score:2)
emails!
3.14 years solitary confinement.
Shocker (Score:1)
'only 17.4 percent of the comments were unique.'
I truly wonder what % of responses were exact copies of what John Oliver told viewers to submit on Last Week tonight.
Re: (Score:1)
Yea, I kinda want that corrected-for too.
Bears don't meddle... (Score:2)
Why should anyone believe this claim? (Score:1)
Theyve lied already. Now trying to paint support for net neutrality as russian interference.
Re: Why should anyone believe this claim? (Score:1)
Exactly. Pai is a lying piece of shit.
Still won't change a thing (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Or sue them. If the process used to change the regulations failed to follow proper change processes, the decision can be overturned by the courts. A good portion of the EPAs actions have been successfully challenged in this way.
I don't think lawsuits will work (Score:4, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
The courts aren't overturning the decisions because they were bad. They were overturning the decisions because the EPA failed at filling out paperwork/following procedures. It's a very easy ruling for a judge; you failed to follow checklist X. There is now a possibility the FCC failed to follow the right checklist.
I'm not saying the judges don't have a bias towards corporations, but this is a pretty black-and-white procedural issue.
The end result would probably be the FCC doing it under the correct rules
True, but that's pointless without change (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Vote _who_ out? The FCC is not an elected body.
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
No, you're a retard who thinks Conservatism is still viable and alive, it's not. You're a Libertarian idiot. Nobody is forcing AT&T to be an ISP. You want to be ISP, you play by ISP rules. Just like gas stations play by gas station rules.
Don't like it? Go open a gas station at the bottom of the ocean, or out in the middle of the desert somewhere. Well, so long, get going Libertarian idiot who thinks laws don't apply and we don't need protections.
Fuck right off.
Re: (Score:3)
The less laws you have regulating business the better for everyone.
The quality of life in Somalia would seem to indicate otherwise.
Fuck look at the Democrats trying to do Government healthcare
It should be noted that the Democrats passed Bob Dole's plan for healthcare reform. Obama and company figured if they used a Republican plan, they could get a couple Republican votes. Didn't quite work out that way.
That fucking imploded
[Citation Required]
Despite being a poorly-designed clusterfuck (as all Heritage Foundation plans are), the ACA has reduced the rate at which health care expenses are rising. But "Hurray! We brought down the second derivative" doe
Re: (Score:1)
Ajit Pai Must Go! (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2, Troll)
Re: (Score:1)
You don't quite understand what fascism is then. Your getting your terms confused. When you have complete government control over private industry that's fascism. So corporations are arms of the government you could say. FCC Net neutrality is government imposed control over private industry. I am calling it a type of soft fascism. Corporations certainly don't have power over the rights of the people because in a Capitalist society buying a product is a completely voluntary transaction. What injustice or fr
Re: (Score:1)
Fascism is a corporate-backed response to marxism. Instead of the state controlling corporations (communism), the state is controlled by the corporations. Its why guys like Henry Ford (of Ford Motor Co) loved fascism.
Mussolini himself said "Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism" [worldfuturefund.org]
And in case you forgot, Neimoller's famous poem, the first line was:
First they came for the socialists
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
Holy crap are you dim..
In this capitalist world, if we didn't have government putting down some rules we'd all be raped by profit-hungry enterprises.
Tell me, (just as an example) how many deaths are you willing to put up with because companies replace nutrients with cheaper carcinogenics?
Businesses will act immoraly if there is nothing stopping them.
And you want them to have free reign.
What kind of idiot are you? No really. Have you thought this over?
You want to pay companies your hard earned money so they
Why would he care either way (Score:5, Interesting)
What I don't get is why he was featured in propaganda: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
Why would he want to placate people in such a transparent way and taunt people [slashdot.org] and take sides instead of taking a diligent role in objectively looking into the issues of concern, or why he would refuse to help investigate the comments [slashdot.org].
This truly shows how out of touch and ineffective he is.
Re:Why would he care either way (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:1)
Correction: Obviously in touch with and effective for his once and future paymasters. FTFY!
FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has ALLEGED (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
Well, do you get it, it's his excuse see. Those nasty Russians tricked him, that 1% confused him because it was all the Russians, see it was all Russia's fault, they ended net neutrality in the US, not him.
Re: (Score:2)
Yes, and that's the whole point of his manouver. Allege that there might be [some] russian votes in it. That way you poison the well/pool or whatever and as a consequence you destroy the weight behind the votes making them null and void. Good manouver, but absolutely transparent, worthless and dishonest.
NN was a rule for a while (Score:2)
The same approved and NN ready paper insulated wireline kept the monopoly net slow for many.
Federal NN rules protected a set of monopoly telcos from new competition.
Remove the federal rules and let communities innovate as they need.
Why should every wealthy community be held back under standardized federal NN rules?
Think of what communities can create if an existing monopoly telco will not upgrade.
A wealthy community can ask for its own commu
NN Was the Rule From the Start (Score:1)
The internet was created under defacto net neutrality. It was only after the 2005 Brand X lawsuit that net neutrality was killed. Scalia, of all people, thought the ruling in Brand X was bad law. [theatlantic.com]
So anytime anyone asks if NN was a good thing, the answer is FUCK YES, without NN the Internet would not exist, it would have just been a bunch of walled gardens AOL style.
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:3)
Did the internet improve under the new federal NN rules?
Yes
The same approved and NN ready paper insulated wireline kept the monopoly net slow for many.
That monopoly is why you need net neutrality. Internet service can not be an efficient market because of the natural monopoly by the incumbents.
Federal NN rules protected a set of monopoly telcos from new competition.
[Citation Required]
Also, two new Internet providers (AT&T and Google) started providing service to my house under Net Neutrality rules. How'd that happen if net neutrality forbade new competition?
(Btw, they did that because their pockets are deep enough to be able to pay for the rollout despite the natural monopoly of my cable company. But you'll note Goo
Re: (Score:2)
Only two big brands AC?
Re: (Score:2)
Only two big brands AC?
Competition is competition. Your claim is Net Neutrality forbade competition.
So, if Net Neutrality forbade competition, how'd they manage to compete?
And again, if you want to complain about that competition not being municipal broadband, you'll need to take that up with my state's legislature, since they're the ones who forbade municipal broadband.
I wonder the breakdown of comments (Score:2)
Of non-mass spammed comments, the hugely vast majority (99.7%) were in favor of NN. So, if none of the Russian emails were in favor of NN, it would drop to only 99.2% of people were in favor. If half a percent (0.5%) of the Russian comments were anti-NN, that would leave it at 100% in favor.
That said, the non-mass spammed numbers came from this [slashdot.org]. I hope those numbers were correct.
You don't understand (Score:2)
You don't understand. Pai is there to lay the groundwork for removal of some of the regulatory functions of the FCC and moving them to the Congress where they belong. He's there as a vivid demonstration that unelected bodies are unsuitable for regulation of what amounts to constitutional rights (speech). Shit, even elected bodies are barely suitable. They'd much rather you didn't have any of those pesky amendments, especially the first few, but thankfully for us the founding fathers foresaw that, and implem
Re: (Score:2)
You don't understand. Pai is there to lay the groundwork for removal of some of the regulatory functions of the FCC and moving them to the Congress where they belong.
Uh....they already belong to Congress. Congress decided the way to implement these regulatory functions was to create the FCC. That's why Congress passed several laws to do so.
Ha! (Score:1)
Jokes on them! The FCC didnâ(TM)t read *any* of the public comments regarding net neutrality!
"were linked to Russia email addresses" (Score:2)
Yeah, right... we all know how that works [blogspot.com]
Re: (Score:1)
If it proves a point, who cares where it comes from? Sorry to rain on your constant "RussiaGate" conspiracy theories.
Re: (Score:2)
What's the difference between Putin and Telcos? (Score:2)
They both want unlimited power.
What? (Score:1)
obScooby (Score:2)
WTF (Score:2)
Of course (Score:2)
|
Or is that the newly plowed slush?
Evidence (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Consider the pro NN rule side with extra big government rules.
Russia support NN rules so big federal gov monopoly can keep control over US. US POTS network stay under federal NN rule for generations.
NN keeps the network slow for everyone equally and the NN approved cell phone voice quality stay extra robotic.
One approved politically connected telco company supports their federally approved NN netwo
Re: (Score:2)
One approved politically connected telco company supports their federally approved NN network. No community broadband competition ever.
Why?
Net Neutrality has nothing to do with community broadband. Community broadband is forbidden by laws passed in several states. Not the FCC.