Tumblr Porn Vanishes Today 209
Earlier this month, Tumblr announced that it would be permanently banning adult content from its platform on December 17th. Well, that day has arrived and the social media site is now hiding all posts that are currently flagged as explicit, as well as posts that users are in the process of appealing. This includes media showing sex acts, exposed genitals, and "female-presenting" nipples. The Verge reports: In addition to what's already gone, more adult content is going to be flagged in coming weeks, Tumblr says, and it hopes that the automated tools will be more accurate at picking out what counts as explicit. In a blog post that went up today, Tumblr apologized to users: "We are sorry that this has not been an easy transition and we know we can do a better job of explaining what we're doing." It said the change would be a slow process that involves "flagging tens of billions of GIFs, videos, and photos."
Many users also criticized Tumblr's decision to consider "female-presenting nipples" as explicit, while male-presenting nipples were still okay. Some pointed out that in the case of non-binary, genderfluid, or trans individuals, it would be confusing where the line would be drawn on whose nipples would be considered explicit. In its blog post today, Tumblr has added the caveat, "yeah, we know you hate this term," but maintained the language and distinction. "We understand and agree that there have been too many wrongfully flagged posts since we announced the policy change," says Tumblr. But if users don't appeal their posts, then they're out of luck. That could also be a problem for popular older accounts, which may not have anyone monitoring them to appeal the overly aggressive moderation. Flagged content will be hidden, but not deleted, Tumblr emphasized. That will allow posts to be appealed even after they're removed from public view. On a more positive note, Tumblr says that "all appeals will be sent to a real, live human who can make the appropriate call."
Many users also criticized Tumblr's decision to consider "female-presenting nipples" as explicit, while male-presenting nipples were still okay. Some pointed out that in the case of non-binary, genderfluid, or trans individuals, it would be confusing where the line would be drawn on whose nipples would be considered explicit. In its blog post today, Tumblr has added the caveat, "yeah, we know you hate this term," but maintained the language and distinction. "We understand and agree that there have been too many wrongfully flagged posts since we announced the policy change," says Tumblr. But if users don't appeal their posts, then they're out of luck. That could also be a problem for popular older accounts, which may not have anyone monitoring them to appeal the overly aggressive moderation. Flagged content will be hidden, but not deleted, Tumblr emphasized. That will allow posts to be appealed even after they're removed from public view. On a more positive note, Tumblr says that "all appeals will be sent to a real, live human who can make the appropriate call."
But I like "female-presenting" nipples (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's hypocrisy. If women are attracted to something on men, well that's okay to show (everything but the genitals!), but if men are attracted to something on women, why, that must be hidden! Well, at least we've gotten past hiding things like hair and ankles....
I think last year's áramótaskaup did a great job parodying the double standard in a (NSFW) video [youtu.be] about the "Free The Nipple" campaign that was a big deal for a while here (the video is in Icelandic, so remember the subtitles button)
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Once upon a time it was considered a scandal when a female belly-button was briefly shown on "I Dream of Jeannie."
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Well, when you think about it, why should a genie have a belly button?
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Disney's adaptation of Aladdin gave the princess a belly button but had to remove Aladdin's nipples.
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Once upon a time it was considered a scandal when a female belly-button was briefly shown on "I Dream of Jeannie."
If I recall, they Spackled over her navel to hide the offending part. Censors are weird and kinky. I mean - what exactly do you do with a belly button other than do tiny shots of tequila from it?
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It's hypocrisy. If women are attracted to something on men, well that's okay to show (everything but the genitals!), but if men are attracted to something on women, why, that must be hidden! Well, at least we've gotten past hiding things like hair and ankles....
That's when you just say "I'm highly aroused by your face" and see if they apply their logic universally.
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Tumblr is doing this in deference to the PoundMeToo movement. Watch it fade into obscurity.
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No, it isn't hypocrisy.
Adult human males get a potent shot of dopamine when gazing upon female breasts of optimal nubility (this recalibrates itself depending on circumstance). It's the breast, not the nipple in particular. The nipple conventionally designates the sharp transition from hydrocodone to fentanyl; women expo
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Adult human males get a potent shot of dopamine when gazing upon female breasts of optimal nubility
So tumblr is essentially saying "We don't want to give you a shot of dopamine, you junkie!"?
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Back on topic, I'm not sure how someone could be opposed to a private entity like Tumblr deciding it doesn't want to be a web host for amateur pron sites. Perhaps they want to be... y'know... a social media site like they set out to be?
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On Slashdot, we like to get ourselves into a huff and hissy fit, and blame things on the Big Industry. Like Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Pharma, etc.
Obviously, the culprit here is Big Nipple.
Re:But I like "female-presenting" nipples (Score:4, Insightful)
Stop shilling for Big Shame!! wake up!!!!!
I know (Score:5, Funny)
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I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of an "all porn on tumblr by creator" torrent in near future.
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The Puritans rise again.
I would posit that Tumblr is a emblematic of IP theft. Reposting is their culture. Chain-of-authorities to establish origin, model consent, and anti-child porn are clearly lacking. Copyright? Hahahahaha.
This said, Verizon couldn't deal with pushing porn openly. Porn should be free speech to consenting adults. But there are no useful walls for establishing who's an adult viewer, and who's not. Eventually, their legal status as a purveyor of smut to youth would entangle them as a US-ba
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The problem with this is that after filling up 79GB from my favourite sites I now have over 200000 photos to sort through.
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Start with this:
http://www.visipics.info/index... [visipics.info]
Might eliminate a couple of hundred to start with.
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I was about to say I've been using that since long before Tumblr existed, but I don't like hyperbole so I Googled. Tumblr launched in 2007. Visipics launched in 2007. Coincidence? You decide :-)
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The problem with this is that after filling up 79GB from my favourite sites I now have over 200000 photos to sort through.
Pace yourself. Don't want to get friction burns........
Some people do! We have a fetish tumblr feed if you're inter..... oh yea :(
... banning adult content ... (Score:2)
... now it's all baby shit.
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...unless you're into baby shit in which case it's banned.
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What was it about baby shit did you miss?
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Just because the shit came from a baby doesn't mean the baby is in the sex act, any more than you're assfucking a sheep if you use a gut condom.
Always good to hear from an expert!
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The baby would be hurt if it didn't shit.
Puritanism rears its idiotic head again. (Score:5, Insightful)
There are many reasons I am embarrassed to be a citizen of the US, but prevalent attitudes toward stuff like sex in the US are near the top of the list.
If only the idiots who have such Puritanical attitudes would abstain from all sex, so their genes would disappear from the gene pool.
Re:Puritanism rears its idiotic head again. (Score:4, Insightful)
This has nothing to do with religious puritans, and is very much the work of the social justice crowd. If you look at Tumblr's post [tumblr.com] you'll see it says, "It is our continued, humble aspiration that Tumblr be a safe place for creative expression, self-discovery, and a deep sense of community." Religious puritans tend not to go around talking about creating safe spaces/places.
There's a general view in social justice circles that porn objectifies women and is demeaning and offensive, and that's the real reason it was banned. Tumblr want to be more inclusive, saying they want to, "create a place where more people feel comfortable expressing themselves." Again, it's very much the language of social justice. The perpetually offended can't be comfortable using a fascist, Nazi site that objectifies women and isn't a safe space so any content they don't like must be purged from existence.
Of course, you know what they say, "Get woke, go broke." It'll be interesting to see were Tumblr goes from here.
Re:Puritanism rears its idiotic head again. (Score:5, Informative)
very much the work of the social justice crowd
Yeah, no, you're talking out your ass. Tumblr is the goddamned Fortress of Social Justice, and neon haired landwhales have fuck all to do with this.
It has everything to do with the comedy of stupidity that ended up with Tumblr being owned by Verizon, followed by the tragedy of incompetence that left Tumblr completely un-monetizeable. Yeah, turns out advertisers don't pay bank to have their products associated with feminine penises and cheese pizza.
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Re:Puritanism rears its idiotic head again. (Score:5, Insightful)
Tumblr want to be more inclusive
Thus the exclusion.
I don't actually care what Tumblr includes or excludes, but I find Orwellian language particularly annoying. Especially when it's not even clever.
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how is it safe when you can get banned for participation if you happen to show a nipple and whoever moderates it thinks that you look female enough?
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how is it safe when you can get banned for participation if you happen to show a nipple and whoever moderates it thinks that you look female enough?
Does the nipple presentation ban apply to animals too? The Furry crowd is very nervous these days. Cows are udderly a turn on for some of them. You also see the occasional dog peener too. I don't even want to think about the crowd that finds that interesting.
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Furry artists who used tumblr have been migrating to other sites. Even the non-adult ones, knowing they might get caught up by association.
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Furry artists who used tumblr have been migrating to other sites. Even the non-adult ones, knowing they might get caught up by association.
I don't doubt it. Tumblr is about to learn that it needs content providers more than content providers need tumblr.
We need to keep the stuff away from the young'uns. It's too advanced. But I think the demographics show that this is going to piss off a protected group soon.
Furries! Jeebuz K Rist. I don't have a problem with whatever two or more consenting adults do with each other, but where on earth did the concept of screwing a sexy rabbit come about?
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Have you looked at some of the good furry art? Those characters are cool. And some of them are hot.
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Verizon has the Reverse Midas Touch. (Score:2)
Everything Verizon touches eventually turns to shit. Newgrounds has spun up some more servers to take up the exodus of lewd artists and their fans, which they were prepared to do because they saw this coming a few weeks ago, when accounts started getting nuked. Although they were deemed "accidents" and reinstated, the common thread among all of them was that they had the adult tag on. There was a brief, half-hearted migration then, so when it was announced that Tumblr really was going to shoot itself in the
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Read the GP's post again. They got booted from Apple's store because they failed on a technical level, i.e. their image classifier was shit and they couldn't adequately police their network. Probably because they are losing money and can't afford the army of human classifiers needed to do the work.
So they chose the nuclear option. And now the SJWs, or "feminists" as normal people call them, are pissed off because boobs are banned but they don't consider boobs to be a problem, especially when man boobs are a
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And now the SJWs, or "feminists" as normal people call them, are pissed off.
To be more precise, the Social Justice Warriors are not exclusively feminists.
The whole thing is rather complicated isn't it? Few people are very interested in a pair of manboobs, so really, the complaint is all about representative female parts.
And one of the interesting things about the porn watching habits of women is that they tend to prefer lesbian porn. https://www.huffingtonpost.com... [huffingtonpost.com] I pretty much suspect that many women prefer going to a site like Tumblr as opposed to say PornHub when they
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Apple is not sjw because if they were interested in Justice they would pay their taxes instead of avoiding doing so. Given that they are one of the most profitable corporations in history, that causes real harm to social programs. Apple only wants to look sjw because that's trendy right now, and Apple competes not on technical competence but on cachet.
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It's got nothing to do with SJWs either (Score:3)
Sorry, should have read (Score:2)
Can't stand mobile keyboards.
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social justice circles that porn objectifies women and is demeaning and offensive
Which circle is this again? Mainstream feminism is generally sex-positive and quite supportive of sex-workers.
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No, it's both! The puritans and the SJW crowd are actually in agreement in their anti-pornography efforts, but for every different reasons. Different enough to prevent them ever working together.
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Nipples are legal in my State. It does vary.
Re:Puritanism rears its idiotic head again. (Score:5, Funny)
You may be surprised to find out that people tend to have nipples even in states where it is illegal.
Re:Puritanism rears its idiotic head again. (Score:5, Insightful)
We gotta save our kids from nipples!
Wait... something about this just doesn't sound right...
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It's actually really bad for kids. A lot of women in China feed their babies with baby formula instead of their own breast milk because it's socially unacceptable to breastfeed in public and even somewhat embarrassing at home. The formula stuff isn't as good as the natural milk, and in fact I believe the current recommendation is not to even start formula until at least 6 months old, ideally not at all.
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It's not much better in the "west". A couple years ago I was in a restaurant and a guy complained about a mother breastfeeding her baby, she even put a cover over the child so you couldn't see anything and he still complained about it because "he knows what's under the cover". I loved the reaction of another woman calling him out that he's probably more pissed at the existence of the cover considering how he was looking over at the scene.
What's the world's obsession with tits about? Honestly, people, I don'
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The more they are forbidden, the more desirable they become.
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It's not much better in the "west". A couple years ago I was in a restaurant and a guy complained about a mother breastfeeding her baby, she even put a cover over the child so you couldn't see anything and he still complained about it because "he knows what's under the cover".
Wouldn't that be true with any woman wearing clothing. I know what is under that clothing, so she must not leave her house!!!
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You're welcome, but since I also don't ogle every man's junk that I come across I still can't empathize.
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Living in a sexually repressed culture creates new rapists and encourages victims to hide the crimes committed against them.
Define adult content (Score:3)
and how the real human will make the call in edge cases. One liberal tumblr censor will let vaguely sexy photos of clothed gay guys pass, while some holier-than-thou christian-leaning one will ban photos of nuns...
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"Adult content" is defined as "whatever doesn't fall foul of FESTA and gets us our iOS app.back".
I have already deleted tumbler off my phone. (Score:4, Insightful)
Did it have any other uses than porn?
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Yep, It allowed SJWs to go on an anti-fat-shaming rant every time someone dares post original art not featuring ++sized characters.
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And in a place where I'll never be bothered by that... I'll have to rethink my idea that Tumbler should just die.
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Well, ya know, 26% of it died today.
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Tumblr may be most famous for porn and fringe politics, but only because those are the blogs that draw the most attention. Most of it consists of just innoculous but not-overly-interesting things - personal diary blogs, crafts pages, family photos, cute animal pictures, gaming things, all the usual.
Tomorrow's headline : Tumbler vanishes today (Score:5, Funny)
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I hope tumbler (Score:5, Funny)
is also banning burqa pictures that show excessive eyes, or any ankles. /s
They're "Only" tossing 26% of their content, what could possible go wrong? /s
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It's a great point. What's acceptable to show and what isn't is entirely a cultural construct, and cultures vary widely. They're basically declaring, "US cultural norms about nudity are the only valid ones" to an international audience of users.
Ignoring the obvious double standard issue....
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It's a great point. What's acceptable to show and what isn't is entirely a cultural construct, and cultures vary widely. They're basically declaring, "US cultural norms about nudity are the only valid ones" to an international audience of users.
Well, sorry. The US is still the dominant economic force that doesn't have an iron curtain around its internet. This should only be a surprise for Generation Z and the more SJW-y of the later Millennials -- that is, the folks not really living in reality.
Ignoring the obvious double standard issue....
Is this about male toplessness vs female toplessness? If so, that's a sign you don't live in the real world.
If this is about sex vs violence, just take the prevailing opinion in Europe regarding those two concepts and flip them in terms of acceptability.
Yes, we're divided and radicalized. "Good point, I (Score:3)
> i wonder if the radical right and radical left really control the US agenda in terms of a voice of reason.
Yes, they do. See any discussion on Slashdot for proof. For even more radical talk see any discussion on any other site. When is the last time you read a comment here that said "good point, I hadn't thought of it that way before"? How about "I understand your concern, and that's a valid concern. However I foresee a potential problem with your proposed solution ..." We just throw stones at each ot
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Both are overly self-righteous (Score:3)
Both sides of the aisle are overly self-righteous.
R: There are clearly some problems with our immigration laws. Let's fix them. Just having bureaucracts ignore whichever laws they fell like ignoring today doesn't seem like a good idea. We should probably decide as a country what the law should be, instead of individual politicians ignoring the law and doing whatever they want.
D: You hate brown people! You're a piece of shit racist!
We have one of the most senior Democrats in Congress, Maxine Waters (first el
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is also banning burqa pictures that show excessive eyes, or any ankles. /s
They're "Only" tossing 26% of their content, what could possible go wrong? /s
I wonder what happens when peopel start flagging every post? Seems their humans would quickly get overwhelemed and there's be no content left.
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I wonder what happens when peopel start flagging every post?
Unfortunately this is what will happen. Like how videos that 4chan doesn't like on YouTube get mass flagged. Anyone on Tumblr who becomes a target will be flooded with false reports that take a long, long time to get resolved, if at all.
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I wonder what happens when peopel start flagging every post?
Unfortunately this is what will happen. Like how videos that 4chan doesn't like on YouTube get mass flagged. Anyone on Tumblr who becomes a target will be flooded with false reports that take a long, long time to get resolved, if at all.
Exactly. I can see someone doing it out of revenge, or just for shits and grins. Tumblr has opened Pandora's Box and it will be interesting to see how they deal with the fallout.
Sad and emblematic (Score:5, Insightful)
This decision by Tumblr is lazy, cowardly, and short-sighted. All attempts to place a blanket prohibition on sexual material, whether in books, magazines, films, or digital media have always been doomed to eventually bite the hands that place the prohibition.
Problems include:
- Defining sexual content, like "obscenity", risks a descent into ridiculous nitpickery. "I know it when I see it" is not an objective measure.
- Considering exaggerated violence more acceptable than sexuality is a peculiarly American disease. Both here and in the many places where I see it elsewhere in the world, it seems descended from religious dogma. I am sick to death of people forcing their beliefs on others. I believe it's far more healthy to "make love, not war" and I don't believe in suppressing this belief to just go along with the cultural norms of the week
- "Kids shouldn't have access to this" is not an unreasonable position, especially if the kids being referred to are one's own. So I'm not against the use of parental filters, but of course they will be circumvented easily enough when the kids get interested enough in seeing the alluringly forbidden material, whatever it is.
Enough. I'm just preaching out of frustration born of decades of sliding down the slippery slope toward institutionally promulgated "morailty", and the steadily increasing tyranny of the majority.
A much better solution exists. (Score:3)
Content should have been labelled and users could have chosen through a particular set of filters that apply to their culture, or even define new personal filters and share them with others.
Thus, people would only see posts they like, which of course means it would be safe for everyone.
But they didn't do this because they want to provide better value to their customers, but to satisfy the current lefty social justice craze.
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"Considering exaggerated violence more acceptable than sexuality is a peculiarly American disease"
Fuck off with your ethnocentric crap.
One might in turn point out casual nudity and sexuality is a particularly European disease ("go ahead dear, show your tits in a television ad, it's liberating you, right?").
If my children have to be prepared to cope with one or the other that they are confronted with unexpectedly, I know which is more likely to keep them alive?
In fact, neither of us is "right" because there
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How About Males Presenting Nipples? (Score:2)
Hey Tumblr (Score:4, Funny)
This includes media showing ... "female-presenting" nipples.
Hey Tumblr - did you just assume the gender of EVERY NIPPLE ON TUMBLR????
I mised out (Score:5, Funny)
Tumblr vanishes today (Score:4, Interesting)
Let's be honest here, what is left now? I'm dead serious. Is there any other use?
For personal family pics, there's sites with better organization, for "hey look at this shit" there's snapchat, what function does tumblr serve now anymore?
Why (Score:5, Informative)
But
Why so hard to say, fuck off ?
It would appear that most people are actually sane, so why try to please these fascist lunatics that want to dictate ?
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This is about money and advertisers, not "SJWs".
Same thing is happening on 4chan. It has been split into two sites: 4chan, the uncensored stuff and 4channel, the SFW content. For the advertisers. Funny thing, there seems to be more advertising on the uncensored site. Not just porn ads, but mainstream stuff. I guess they know where all the eyeballs went.
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It's no secret that people are more likely to waste money when they're having fun.
As demonstrated by the number of dollar bills carried off in g-strings.
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A eulogy (Score:5, Funny)
Once upon a midnight dreary,
while I websurfed, weak and weary,
Over many a strange and spurious website
of 'hot chicks galore',
While through the net I went boring,
suddenly there came a warning,
And my heart was filled with mourning,
mourning for my dear amour.
"'Tis not possible," I muttered,
"give me back my cheap hardcore!"
Quoth the server, "404".
Karma is a bitch. (Score:2)
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I don't think this was SJW, this was Verizon buying Yahoo! for $4.8 billion and finding out you can't sell much advertising on "porn".
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You can't blame this on SJWs. There are a number of factors which lead to the decision. Tumblr getting banned from the app store certainly hastened the implementation, but this has been in the planning stages for some time. There's been political pressure from left and right, as well as far more significant commercial pressure from advertisers.
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Personally I'm into food.
Ok, not really, I just am pissed by those idiots that take pictures of their food instead of eating them, but if that means these pics go away, I'll ... excuse me while I find me a cute looking banana.
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Food porn is the best porn. It's amazing what can be done with a simple radish.
At least, that's what I've heard.
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I feel you, man...
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To the rest of you, you shouldn't be looking at pornography, it's unnatural and eventually will lead you to erectile dysfunction and a shitty life, your relationships will collapse, and you'll be left with nothing but your porn collection. Good luck with that.
The first murals depicted acts of sex.
If you like porn, find someone who does too.
Erectile dysfunction can be caused by many other factors. Yes, if you watch porn 12 hours a day you're screwed, but excess is bad in all areas of life.