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DerbyCon Will Hold Its Last InfoSec Conference in September This Year (derbycon.com) 176

DerbyCon 9.0, the upcoming edition of the popular InfoSec conference in September, will be its last. From an official announcement: When we first started DerbyCon, our goal was to create a conference where we could all come together to collaborate and share as a community, but most importantly as a profession. DerbyCon 1.0 was a huge gamble for us both personally and financially, but we believed in what we were doing, and it worked. For those that don't know the history of DerbyCon, it started off inside of a pizza shop as an idea between a few friends. Our goal was to create an affordable conference that shared a lot of what we had experienced in our early days in security. The ideas of collaboration, community, and the betterment of the industry and the safety of technology were at the forefront. At the end of DerbyCon 1.0, we realized that the conference was a huge success and our dream became a reality.

[...] What we have had to deal with on the back-end the past few years is more than just running a conference and sharing with friends. The conference scene in general changed drastically and small pocket groups focus on outrage and disruption where there is no right answer (regardless of how you respond, it's wrong), instead of coming together, or making the industry better. There is a small, yet vocal group of people creating negativity, polarization, and disruption, with the primary intent of self-promotion to advance a career, for personal gain, or for more social media followers. Individuals that would have us be judge, jury, and executioner for people they have had issues with outside of the conference that has nothing to do with the conference itself.

Instead of working hard in research, being a positive force in the industry, or sharing their own unique experiences (which makes us better as a whole), they tear others down in order to promote themselves. This isn't just about DerbyCon, it is present at other conferences as well and it's getting worse each year. We've spoken with a number of conference organizers, and each year it becomes substantially more difficult to host a conference where people can come together in large group settings. It's not just conferences either. This behavior is happening all over the place on social media, in our industry, targeting people trying to do good. As a community, we add fuel to fire, attack others, and give them a platform in one massive toxic environment. We do this all in fear of repercussions from upsetting others. Until this pattern changes, it will continue to get worse.

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  • by Jarwulf ( 530523 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:12AM (#57963740)
    Rumour is this is all over some guy writing the word 'boobies' on a markerboard that ended up pissing off feminists. I kid you not.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      • I don't understand! She even states in one tweet that the word is equal to sexual assault! https://twitter.com/deborahlin... [twitter.com] I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS DYSTOPIA WE HAVE SUDDENLY FOUND OURSELVES IN!!
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          Reading her Twitter feed, this Lindsey Ledford sounds like pure poison, of the kind that the DerbyCon organizers describe. They focus on the negative and blow it out of all proportion just so they can have their little crusade. It is time to deplatform the lot of them... ignoring them is not good enough, because they will always manage to kick up enough of a public stink to have respectable people withdraw their support of what you're doing. Venue operators, sponsors and advertisers, even your employer..
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      What the shit? Reminds me of when the FTC lady had an issue with the girls on hacker pyramid at Defcon and I told her to STFU or leave, nobody is forcing you to be there. I had feminist hanging off every single one of my tweets for a week and calling who they thought my employer was and trying to get me fired. Don't get me wrong, I love women and I believe in equality but seriously if you don't like something, leave.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        Don't get me wrong, I love women and I believe in equality

        You shouldn't have to f'ing write that... but lately I find myself making similar half baked apologies in my posts as well. The fact that you feel you need to make this clear in advance is a sign of how toxic public debate has become.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Wouldn't surprise me. I know another conference in an entirely different area (video games) that basically killed itself trying to appease SJW-types. (It still exists, AFAIK, but it went from tickets selling out in minutes to not selling out at all.)

      The problem is that you end up pissing off regular people, and the SJWs just move the goalposts. "You don't have enough women!" [add women] "Not enough minorities!" [add minorities] "You missed THESE minorities!" [add them] "Not enough LGB people." [call them ou

      • Anonymous conference means I assume it is made up. Name?

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I'm not going to give them any free advertising. It was a well known video game conference (even got mentioned here a few times) that has since turned into an SJW video game conference where all the panels are on crazy things like "LGBTQIAY Identities In Video Game Protagonists" or "Trans-Identifying First Person Shooters" or whatever. They've gone from constantly growing each year to tickets being trivial to get, all because they caved to SJWs.

          • Free advertising this deep in a nested conversation with ACs every other reply (and thus auto-hidden??) Unfortunately, "video game conference" produces too many results to comb through them all. Or, if you want to be oblique, try just stating a city and month. That seems sufficiently obfuscated to not give them free press, yet able to determine a unique conference.

            Otherwise,my guess is you are dramatically overstating both their numbers and the quantity and type of new talks, and don't want to be checked

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      That's hilarious.

      The real problem in my opinion though is that they're too afraid about taking a common sense stance. We've become a cowardly lot.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It seems like they just wanted an excuse to give it up. I mean what kind of snowflake would drop their entire conference over one complaint?

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I do love watching SJWs try and reclaim the word "snowflake" as if somehow projecting their own faults onto rational people will make them less noticeable, not more.

          It's not just one complaint. It's never just one complaint. It starts with one complaint, then they drag in more and more people to echo that one complaint and just keep it snowballing until you get bombarded with junk and they drown out the reasonable people.

    • from the writeup I would have thought it was because people were using it to PROMOTE THEMSELVES FOR GETTING MONEY purely by fluffing up shit(and providing shit all nothing content).

      instead it's of some guy writing boobies, doing the exact opposite of that? fuck this shit.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I've done some more digging and it seems that:

      - One person complained about the "boobies #metoo"
      - Another person complained about it
      - They eventually did something about it
      - First person complained that it took them too long to do anything

      That's it. No mobs, no mass complaints or twitter storms, no accusations or campaigns. It's utterly bizarre, they sound like there was a huge drama when in reality they read a couple of emails and removed a sheet of paper from a wall.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It's almost certainly not just the "boobies" thing alone. In 2017, this was posted [tumblr.com] demanding that several people be disinvited from upcoming Derbycons. As the organizer said in a tweet [twitter.com], "it was a culmination of things we’ve had to deal with over the years."

    • What helps you deal with stress? Boobies

      #MeToo, my wife's boobs are great stress relief. And she'd never call my attention sexual assault, even if she is annoyed sometimes.

      What, I'm not allowed to use that hashtag, because you made it a popular reference to sexual assault? Is that what this escalation is ultimately about? Sheesh, they're just words, quit grandstanding and get over it.

    • by elrous0 ( 869638 )

      I can't even tell difference anymore between The Onion headlines and real ones.

  • good for them
  • Insulted (Score:4, Insightful)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @02:05AM (#57964002)

    You canâ(TM)t have freedom to express yourself without the freedom to cause someone to feel insulted.

    The two are related, if you cannot insult someone. Nearly all free speech is bound to make someone feel bad. If you say you got bad customer service, the service agent will feel bad. Nearly all speech will make somebody feel bad.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      And of course it works both ways. You can't expect people not to criticise you for something you said, even if it makes you feel bad and not want to carry on exercising your free speech any more.

  • Tomorrow morning I expect most of the comments on this thread to be about how SJWs ruin everything, and Linux has gone to hell in a handbasket since they stopped letting developers swear, and how the only true communications are insults. What a brave new world!

    • by Jarwulf ( 530523 )
      Can't actually defend her actions I see.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Tomorrow morning I expect most of the comments on this thread to be about how SJWs ruin everything

      Rightfully so.

      These progressives insert themselves into things others have built and destroy them with their narrow-minded extremist politics. They contribute nothing but conflict.

      • by shess ( 31691 )

        Tomorrow morning I expect most of the comments on this thread to be about how SJWs ruin everything

        Rightfully so.

        These progressives insert themselves into things others have built and destroy them with their narrow-minded extremist politics. They contribute nothing but conflict.

        Truth! I can't remember the last time I saw sliced bread, and vaccinations haven't been available for decades! Pretty soon we'll be back to rooms full of women being called "computers". We live in a hellish landscape of continuous dissent, and it is ALL caused by SJWs!

    • You have to notice how, every time, all they want to do is control others' behavior. Every single time.
  • by 6Yankee ( 597075 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:33AM (#57964342)

    ...we can't have nice things.

  • Just try attending an amateur radio meeting!
  • by The_Other_Kelly ( 44440 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @06:32AM (#57964632) Journal

    Why do people, especially value-neutral technically-focused people ... not just start saying: No!

    No. We want to focus on our stuff and have no obligation to engage with your issues.
    No. We will not ban people because you want us to.
    No. You cannot have special treatment. You get the same as everyone else. Nothing more, nothing less.
    No. We will not enforce your Purity Code of Conduct. Want an ethics code? Use the ACM's. Or the IEEE.
    No. Your chosen group membership does not compensate for your lack of ability. Meritocracy or GTFO.
    No. You have not been elected, and do not represent the community you claim to defend.
    No. We will not apologise for our intrinsic attributes, whether skin color or lifestyle choices.
    No. Your ideological goals will not cause your behaviour to be overlooked or forgiven. You are what you do.

    And in return: You get the same freedom from our interference.

    The VILENESS of some activists, both left and right, but increasingly primarily on the left,
    is despicable. Bipolar, partisan, nastiness. 100% agreement or you will be purged and punished.
    Instead of merely a "2 minute hate" session, they are in a continual state of ideological fervour.
    And like children, they are constantly calling for Authority to bring force down on their enemies.
    More rules. More control. More force. Comply or be purged.

    If this is not how you want to live, it is time to start telling them: NO!

    Or is this now Radical as well?

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      There's no money in that though. Outrage is a massive industry now. I had a quick look on YouTube and there are already dozens of videos about this, most of them just rip-offs of other videos. Want to bet that their conference gets a big crowd funded cash injection from outraged anti-sjws now?

      The only way we are going to get back to normality is to stop funding the outrage. Hopefully people will eventually get tired of it, but I don't see any signs of that. Look at the most popular stories on Slashdot over

      • by Anonymous Coward
        Forget to log in to your alt?
        • If I understand your position, you mean:
          It is not the people who protest *everything* who are the problem,
          but instead it is the people who discuss it.

          This smells of the same manipulative bullsh*t as the protestors ...
          "Dissent is simply not tolerated, and there can be no discussion".

          Isn't that exactly the original problem?

          If someone wants a "locked down" conference, then well,
          should they not just go organise

  • I agree!

    In fact, I agree so strongly that I intend to protest about it, and be mollified by nothing!!

  • The Conference for Horses.

    Was my first thought.

    • Uh...please have that second cup of coffee. DerbyCon is held in Louisville, Kentucky, home to Churchill Downs, which is a famous horse racing complex that hosts the famous "Kentucky Derby" horse race. So...er...yeah, "DerbyCon" is meant to be a play on "the place with the horses".
  • by Anonymous Coward

    The whole Derby team was lovingly supported by swaths of well meaning and inclusive companies and groups, yes mainly comprised of men. This doesn't make it's core culture this patriarchal blanket of abuse and oppression against women or minorities.

    Never in the 8 years that I have attended or the 20+ years on the scene with many of these people did I play a party to or see oppressive white male-centric behavior keep others out.If behaviors kept people out it was because they chose to be offended and to that

  • I went to the first few DerbyCons, and there was a lot of drinking. At the last one I attended, so many people (including the presenters) were drunk after lunch that I left. I don't know if David is primarily referring to the markerboard incident, but if you throw a drunken party, you're going to get drunken behavior.

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