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How Companies Secretly Boost Their Glassdoor Ratings (wsj.com) 96

From a report: Last summer, employees of Guaranteed Rate posted a stream of negative reviews about the mortgage broker on Glassdoor, a company-ratings website. The company's rating on Glassdoor, which is determined by employee feedback, fell to 2.6 stars out of 5. Concerned that negative reviews could hurt recruiting, Guaranteed Rate CEO Victor Ciardelli instructed his team to enlist employees likely to post positive reviews, said a person familiar with his instructions. In September and October these employees flooded Glassdoor with hundreds of five-star ratings. The company rating now sits at 4.1.

Glassdoor has become an important arbiter of employee sentiment in today's highly competitive job market. A Wall Street Journal investigation shows it can be manipulated by employers trying to sway opinion in their favor. An analysis of millions of anonymous reviews posted on Glassdoor's site identified more than 400 companies with unusually large single-month increases in reviews. During the vast majority of these surges, the ratings were disproportionately positive compared with the surrounding months, the Journal's analysis shows. Glassdoor's problem echoes the challenged faced by other online rating platforms, who are trying to ensure their rankings are real and maintain users' trust. Amazon.com, local-business site Yelp and hotel-and-restaurant site TripAdvisor have all had to fend off attempts to game reviews and ratings.

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How Companies Secretly Boost Their Glassdoor Ratings

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  • What's the secret? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @01:42PM (#58002576)
    >> Guaranteed Rate CEO Victor Ciardelli instructed his team to enlist employees likely to post positive reviews...these employees flooded Glassdoor with hundreds of five-star ratings

    So...what's the secret? I thought this was SOP in corporate America.
    • by chispito ( 1870390 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @02:10PM (#58002746)

      >> Guaranteed Rate CEO Victor Ciardelli instructed his team to enlist employees likely to post positive reviews...these employees flooded Glassdoor with hundreds of five-star ratings So...what's the secret? I thought this was SOP in corporate America.

      A former employer did that. They waited until employees hit their five-year mark (or thereabouts) and then suggested that, if they had not yet done so, they leave a Glassdoor review.

      Their reasoning was that only employees that had a favorable opinion would stick around that long, and it couldn't hurt that they had just received milestone benefits (an extra week of annual vacation was awarded at five years).

      But anybody who is really looking on Glassdoor should know that you want to take a sample of different reviews, with tenure being the primary factor in how you evaluate a review. The sales rep who has been there fifteen years is probably doing really well and gets special treatment. The intern that only lasted two weeks might have screwed it up for himself.

      • As a counterpoint, if you are working for a company longer, you are not a whiny job hopper, who leaves a job, because you have to do work that you just don't like to do.

        "Management was a nightmare. I got penalized because I never checked in my work to source control!" "I am a programmer, it isn't my job to help plug in and setup a printer"

        • As a counterpoint, if you are working for a company longer, you are not a whiny job hopper, who leaves a job, because you have to do work that you just don't like to do.

          "Management was a nightmare. I got penalized because I never checked in my work to source control!" "I am a programmer, it isn't my job to help plug in and setup a printer"

          Agreed. I value the positive reviews the most that have between 1-3 year tenure and the negative reviews the most that are 3+ years tenure.

      • To be fair... people are far more likely to go online to complain about a company than they are to go online to praise. If a lot of people have been with an employer for a long time and are happy about it, they should definitely be encouraged to post about it.

        My last employer laid off a large portion of their IT staff and filed for bankruptcy. Lots of talent and corporate knowledge was lost. No matter how many happy people post, you can't cover something like that up.

      • The thing is we know that satisfied people are far less likely to go online and make a bunch of good reviews, someone who is angry, feels mistreated, disrespected, or cheated will post bad reviews all over the place, post it on facebook, and scream as loud as they can.

        Anytime I see something with a boatload of good reviews I'm suspicious.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        But anybody who is really looking on Glassdoor should know that you want to take a sample of different reviews, with tenure being the primary factor in how you evaluate a review.

        Anyone looking at online reviews needs to realise that they should be taken with a huge grain of salt. These systems have been openly gamed for years and are inherently untrustworthy.

        Glassdoor is kind of redundant, it's not a reliable source of information and you'll get a better idea about the company by asking questions in the interview. Interviewers will give huge clues to the corporate culture, especially if they're non HR types, asking open-ended questions like "what do you like most about working h

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      We had a disgruntled ex employee leave a lot of bad reviews on Glassdoor for us. It was easy to tell that most of the bad reviews were not legit because there were more bad reviews than employees that recently left. Glassdoor would not investigate because we could not say which ones were fraudulent (they were willing to assume multiple reviews by the same employee were fraudulent).

      • Just out of curiosity, why do you assume that it was one employee and many bad reviews?

        • Just out of curiosity, why do you assume that it was one employee and many bad reviews?

          Given a paragraph written by one of my co-workers, I can usually guess who wrote it. People tend to have patterns in their writing structures, have idiosyncratic choices in words and phrases, and even have patterns in their grammatical errors.

          Your writing is like a fingerprint. That is how they caught the Unabomber [wikipedia.org].

    • /sarcasm What? Companies buy off negative reviews? I'm shocked, shocked to discover this! Corporations are a bastion of ethics and upstanding persons! *snicker*

      On a more serious note:

      Just in case foreign readers were wondering what SOP stood for:

      SOP = Standard Operating Procedure.

  • Does anyone ever read the positive reviews? I know when I am looking into a company on glassdoor, I just skip to the reviews describing the problems people have had.
    • by lazarus ( 2879 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @01:47PM (#58002608) Journal

      Right. This doesn't sound like gaming the system to me. This sounds like encouraging people with positive experiences to write a review. Because generally people are moved to write reviews out of anger.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        Right. This doesn't sound like gaming the system to me. This sounds like encouraging people with positive experiences to write a review. Because generally people are moved to write reviews out of anger.

        Is it "encouragement" (nods and smiles) or "encouragement" (frowns and shakes head)?

        So your boss sticks his head in and asks "Laz, would you be a good chap and write us a good review on that employment review site" it followed with a spoken or unspoken "and this will be remembered at your next performance review".

        Because you can get away with that even in Australia and the UK with it's strong worker protection, you cant really count on any review not to be written under duress.

    • Re:Futile... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @01:49PM (#58002634) Homepage Journal
      It also helps to look at reviews "in the middle". Sometimes the 1 star reviews are just people with some grudge because they got fired, or people who are overly critical and don't know that the world isn't perfect. This goes for Amazon reviews too. Some of the 1 star reviews are from people who received a box with torn packaging, or got the package later than they expected to, and give a 1 star to the product itself. Completely dumb.
      • I always hate coming across those completely unrelated reviews. "Mailman CRUSHED!!!!1111111111111111 the box! 1 star!"
    • yeah. same for amazon.
    • Does anyone ever read the positive reviews? I know when I am looking into a company on glassdoor, I just skip to the reviews describing the problems people have had.

      I try to be thorough too if possible. Another problem though is that the "at a glance" or overall rating gets boosted by gaming the system.

  • This doesn't seem hard to do. Create throwaway accounts, make some inane comments, click 5 stars, repeat.

    It would be nice if Glassdoor would do some vetting... even if it just asking for a SMS number and making sure it belongs to a cellular network (so Google Voice or burnerapp.com could be factored out.) Combine that with some active bannification of offenders.

    • by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @03:14PM (#58003106)

      Can we get away from using SMS for anything. I'm tired of companies trying to link to one of the more persistent offline identifiers I have. No, I'm creating an account with a throwaway for a reason.

    • by 0ld_d0g ( 923931 )

      It would be nice if Glassdoor would do some vetting..

      The problem is, the only entity with money (and who is willing to pay) is the business.

  • Companies Manipulate Glassdoor by Inflating Rankings and Pressuring Employees
    ANDREA FULLER JANUARY 22, 2019
    Last summer, employees of Guaranteed Rate Inc. posted a stream of negative reviews about the mortgage broker on Glassdoor, a company-ratings website.

    “An American sweatshop,” read a one-star review in June. “Worst company I ever worked for,” read another in July. The company’s rating on Glassdoor, which is determined by employee feedback, fell to 2.6 sta
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @02:01PM (#58002712)

    My prior company, which I am not allowed to name because of my very lucrative separation agreement with them, actually paid hourly factory employees for good reviews on Glassdoor. They even rolled out the program in early November so that the bonuses would be paid in time for holiday shopping. They started at $100 and increased the bonus to $200 at some point before finally turning it off.

    It worked though - they got almost 100 new 5 star reviews out of it, and increased their Glassdoor rating significantly.

    Many other local manufacturing companies here do the same thing, and one that I am aware of that makes car parts even makes writing a good review part of their on-boarding process.

    Crazy stuff.

    99.44% of what you see on the Internet is bullshit.

  • by DavenH ( 1065780 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @02:01PM (#58002716)
    They could identify and remove these coerced review waves with the most basic statistical outlier analysis. It would be rather hard to organize a campaign to defeat this, i.e. you'd have to slowly ramp up the number of positive reviews over months to avoid sounding the alarm. Any review-centric site should be doing this as table stakes for upholding their reputation.
  • I have yet to work for an employer where the glassdoor rating meant much in comparison to my own experience with said employer. Really large employers are generally so fragmented that the only way to really evaluate them is in parts (particularly in finding the part that matters for your own work) and seeing how employees there view it. Smaller employers won't get many glassdoor reviews because the employees would be identified too easily. This leaves medium sized employers? Yeah, when they're hiring for my line of work I might look at glassdoor for them again - though I trust my direct sources more than anonymous glassdoor users anyways.
  • ... online reviews are as accurate as online polls.

    Well, another important takeaway is that users should, by now, be too sophisticated to pay attention to either.

  • What each number of stars means is different for everyone, and can even change over time for the same person. Further, the distribution is not linear.

    Instead of assigning a star rating, a person should be required to choose another company to compare this one against, then rate this one higher or lower than the other company. Then the software would use the Condorcet Method to rank all companies from best to worst and assign each one a percentile ranking. The middle-of-the-pack company would receive a 50%,

  • Many of these online reviews are nothing more than astroturfing. I take them all with a huge grain of salt. If you get a job offer from a company and really want to know what it's like there then the only way to know for sure is to ask someone you know that works there.

    But even then, if they referred you then they stand to make a bonus. So they might be inclined to bend the truth a bit just to pocket a little extra cash.

    Maybe the only way to combat this is to post not just raw numbers but voting trends. If

  • Worked for a company where the CEO would ask new hires to leave a positive review just a week in. Of course by that point you have little to base your experience on and when the CEO asks you and is watching, of course you'll leave a positive review. He also asked everyone to email and submit them for a "Best Workplace" award. Again, at a small company where the CEO's office is just down the hall, most felt intimidated and required to do so. It was much more of an order than anything.
    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      "I was ordered by the CEO to leave this review on pain of termination of employment. Five stars!"

      That's how I would handle it.

  • "Hey guys, we need to you all post glowing reviews to make it easier for us to hire people to replace you at lower pay!"
    "Ok, boss, will do!"
  • Boss says. "I'm shocked to find out companies are manipulating their ratings like this... I won't stand for this unethical behavior at THIS company!"

    Employee walks by, "I put in that positive review like you asked boss, who do I ask in HR to get the gift card?"

  • It's very easy to mitigate this gaming effect. Such a site could easily normalize the scores based on the frequency of the influx. So let's say only counting the first hundred positive reviews of the month. A simple cap.

    Of course, then you'd do the same with the negative reviews, limiting their effect as well.

    And that, again, is where you've shot your own foot.

    This is the reason that all of these completely fraudulent reputation sites are, at their very core, and from the ground up, completely fraudulent

  • ... see if they have any merit, and count them. And then just maybe compare them to overall number or reviews.

  • A company I used to work for was horrible. Cut pay when they took the contract even though we didn't have any increase in 5 years. We had a massive turnover because of new management that was brought in. On top of this, I was told to monitor specific employees' network connections to see how much they used social media when it wasn't approved by HR.... Regardless, it was a mess. The place started off with 2 stars on glass door, and they quickly solved that by posting up fake reviews after each person w
  • My company did the same thing, asking employees (including contractors lol) to post positive reviews so they could attract better job candidates.

    I gave an honest review (which was mostly good).

    The bottom line is that I'm not going to sing the praises of a place that is genuinely bad or unpleasant to work at. If they sucked I'd say so in no uncertain terms.

  • Another thing that employers exploit are separation agreements between employees that are fired/quit and the employer to block them from making negative comments about the employer.

  • About 20 years ago, Google demonstrated to (a shocked community) that the opinions of a large population can be aggregated to achieve some form of collective intelligence. This observation transformed the world, gave us innovative products like Waze, and eventually led to the rise of the Big Data industry.

    Now, we have seen how the system is hacked, infiltrated, censored, manipulated, to fit some narrative. Reflecting on 20 years of awe, I am grateful that it held out that long.

  • Glassdoor (and other sites that review businesses) really should have an expiry date - say 5 years - for old reviews.
    This is because over rhe longer term, management, employees and offices all change enough to invalidate almost all old
    reviews. I've seen 10-year-old reviews on there where management has completely changed, 90% of staff have been replaced and offices moved multiple times and yet the only review available is the hugely out-of-date one thay doesn't reflect the current company at all.

    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      Nah, don't remove them. Just set the default on the sorting options to only look back X years. If someone wants to go back further, they can.

  • I just read what people write and don't take the rating so seriously. It is very subjective - you can work in company ABC with a good team on a good project, but someone else might have landed in a bad team, working on a boring project. I'd rather go to meetups and ask people around.

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