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Australian Email Service FastMail Says It is Losing Customers and Facing Calls To Move Operations Outside of the Country Over Local Anti-Encryption Laws (itnews.com.au) 65

An anonymous reader shares a report: Email provider FastMail says it has lost customers and faces "regular" requests to shift its operations outside Australia following the passage of anti-encryption laws. The Victorian company, which offers ad-free email services to users in 150 countries, told a senate committee that the now-passed laws were starting to bite.

"The way in which [the laws] were introduced, debated, and ultimately passed ... creates a perception that Australia has changed - that we are no longer a country which respects the right to privacy," FastMail CEO Bron Gondwana said. "We have already seen an impact on our business caused by this perception. Our particular service is not materially affected as we already respond to warrants under the Telecommunications Act." "Still, we have seen existing customers leave, and potential customers go elsewhere, citing this bill as the reason for their choice. We are [also] regularly being asked by customers if we plan to move."

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:28AM (#58176244)
    Dear Australia,

    We love and support anti-encryption laws.

    See you soon,

    -Hackers and Malicious State Actors Everywhere.
  • Bad Customer Service (Score:4, Informative)

    by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:32AM (#58176266)

    I'm sure their downfall has nothing to do with bad customer service... like closing down someone's account because they haven't used it in a few months- despite paying for a LIFETIME no ad membership over a decade ago.

    If I have a paid membership; whether I use the account on a regular basis or not is my business, I paid for it.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Did you request a refund? Anyone who had a lifetime account can request a refund now they have moved to subscription.

  • by Miles_O'Toole ( 5152533 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:36AM (#58176276)

    Not anymore, apparently. It looks like tough, independent Australians are being turned into an obedient little slaves to Big Brother.

    I would recommend Proton Mail, either the free or paid version. It's based in Switzerland and dedicated to protecting the privacy of its users.

    • I would recommend Proton Mail, either the free or paid version. It's based in Switzerland and dedicated to protecting the privacy of its users.

      Switzerland, eh? I heard their security was full of holes [instantrimshot.com].

    • Not anymore, apparently. It looks like tough, independent Australians are being turned into an obedient little slaves to Big Brother.

      Well, it starts when they take away your guns, and then the govt figures the populace has no way to fight back, and then they start slowing eroding your rights.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Well, it starts when they take away your guns, and then the govt figures the populace has no way to fight back, and then they start slowing eroding your rights.

        So how many people with guns showed up at the FCC or NSA or local government offices or TSA or ICE or HS when your rights have been eroded?

        And what do you think would happen if they did.

        If you think having guns is protecting you from the gubmint, you're seriously deluded.

      • So you're saying Americans, who have all kinds of guns, are such natural-born cowards they didn't have the balls to protect their rights when the so-called "Patriot Act" was dropped on them by their government?

        Or are you maybe just full of crap, and guns have nothing to do with it one way or the other?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The actual data centers arn't in Australia, they are located in the US (New Jersey and Washington) and the Netherlands. This is the same problem that Microsoft faced with data hosted in Ireland when it was served with a request from the US government. It boils down to if the company has control and access. If so, then it doesn't matter where the data is located if the company has presence in the country making the request.

      At my company, we partition our data operations. Our EU data centers are operated by a

    • Aussie Rules never meant ballsy. It meant "Go grab and egg and run around kicking it as if there were no rules what so ever".

    • Don't believe Proton's claims. They won't let you make an account without one of:

      • identifiable IP address
      • identifyable payment method
      • public blockchain addresss

      They say they offer private mail but go try to make an account over Tor or pay with XMR and see how you do.

      They've also wiped old accounts that were made privately.

      It has all the signs of being a honeypot. Be informed and beware.

      • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

        It has all the signs of being a honeypot. Be informed and beware.

        Thanks. Any suggestions?

  • by Rashkae ( 59673 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:48AM (#58176314) Homepage

    Fastmail customer support is *awesome*. As a longshot, I once asked their support to send me logs from the SMTP server showing the handoff of e-mail to the receiving mail server, (to settle a dispute with another party.). And much to my surprise, they *did*, in less than a business day.

    The fastmail system is much more capable and user friendly to manage multiple users and domains than Gmail, and includes some good old file based webhosting.

    And,, umm, it's already a given that e-mail is not an encrypted protocol, and I'm already well aware that their storage is not encrypted.

    (Neither is Google's.. don't be fooled)

    • it's already a given that e-mail is not an encrypted protocol

      Not in its original design. But I think most e-mail servers use TLS or SSL nowadays for their connections.

      • The key part is that this is not at all within your control. Your message may be encrypted between you and your server, but that's where your knowledge and control ends.

    • by Bronster ( 13157 )

      Thanks for the kind words! We're very proud of our support department and their close integration with the technical team.

  • by Alain Williams ( 2972 ) <addw@phcomp.co.uk> on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:57AM (#58176364) Homepage

    We don't give a shit. A few might move overseas, most emailers are too thick to understand the laws - so we will read their email when we want to. Those who moved: we'll just send the cops round with a $5 wrench.

  • As somebody who looks after mail servers a skill deemed worthless by cloud fanboys how is the cloud dream living up to reality?

  • by UnConeD ( 576155 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @12:23PM (#58177082)

    It sucks for them because fastmail is genuinely good at what they do. I too switched to Protonmail over this, though i realize not much has materially changed. But the chilling effect is real due to the amount of secrecy surrounding the new laws.

    As two big alternative providers, it seems they'd be well positioned to take the lead on fast and encrypted email. Form an industry alliance, make a new protocol to integrate encryption and help obsolete IMAP, and offer e2e encryption between their customer bases as the incentive for other providers to join in.

    Google isn't going to do it any time soon, but Apple might also be interested with their push for privacy. Having first class modern encryption support in Mail.app on macos and ios would be fantastic.

  • Well I guess on the one hand it's a good thing that this nonsense is contained to it's own separate continent; we can use Australia as a negative example when (not IF, but WHEN) their 'anti-encryption' bullshit blows up in their faces, proving what everyone has been saying (saying? More like screaming in their ears!) all along. Maybe, just maybe, when that happens, the rest of the fucktarded politicians of the world will wake up.
  • Is that the Australia which doesn't have a bill of rights for it's citizens ?
    Is that the Australia which doesn't talk about operational matters ?
    is that the Australia which has a broken freedom of information system ?
    is that the Australia which is a member of 5 eyes, and doesn't mind watching Australian citizens ?
    is that the Australia in which both major parties lick the eagles arse ?

  • Run your favorite Linux and openVPN to the rest of the world and lets australia burn.

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