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German Regulator Says It Discovered New Illegal Software On Daimler Diesels (arstechnica.com) 73

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Over the weekend, Germany's auto regulator told Daimler that it would have to recall 42,000 Mercedes-Benz diesel vehicles after the group discovered illegal software on the cars that would reduce the effectiveness of the emissions-control system. Daimler said Sunday night that it would take a one-time charge of hundreds of millions of euros against the upcoming quarter's earnings to deal with the new accusations, but it disputed the government regulator's determination that the software in question was illegal. According to the Wall Street Journal, Daimler plans to formally object to the claims.

Today, the Daimler vehicles in question are Mercedes-Benz-brand vehicles that are only sold in the EU. According to a WSJ source, the issue relates to a coolant thermostat in the cars that protects parts of the engine. The related software is found on vehicles made between 2012 and 2015. The WSJ says the type of coolant thermostat used on the diesel vehicles in question is generally found on cars with catalytic converters that don't use selective catalytic reduction, an emissions-reduction technique that uses urea to reduce nitrogen oxides to less-harmful forms. But the GLK 220 CDI 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz models that must be recalled do appear to use selective catalytic reduction.
The latest regulatory action is reminiscent of the accusations lobbed against VW Group in 2015, where the U.S. EPA accused the automaker of including illegal software on its diesel vehicles to ensure that the diesels would pass emissions limits imposed by the U.S.
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German Regulator Says It Discovered New Illegal Software On Daimler Diesels

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  • Don't worry. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kurkosdr ( 2378710 ) on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:28PM (#58817528)
    Daimler will hobnob with the EU regulators and get away with a firmware reflash that will bring the vehicle to spec but will reduce the performance you paid for. Isn't that what VW did in the EU? (answer: yes)
    • Re:Don't worry. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by TWX ( 665546 ) on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:26PM (#58817838)

      I'm glad that didn't work in the United States and that VW was forced to buy-back. If the vehicle can't meet the standards it had when the buyer was marketed-to and sold the vehicle then that should be the manufacturer's and dealer's problem, not the customer's problem.

      • Weird thing is that it was Bosch who made and programmed the EDC17 ECUs with the cheat firmware. Wonder when they're going to take some of the flak?
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Interestingly with Daimler it's quite the opposite: they recently announced to no longer donate to political parties. Shortly after that the government (who was very critical of that announcement) suddenly discovers allegedly illegal software.

      This sounds more like government extortion than corporate bribery.

    • The EU did nothing. Individual member states did things and they all did them differently. Some got compensation, done got buybacks and it seems the only people who really got screwed ironically was the Germans.

  • That Rube Goldberg, he is one harsh dude! The things we go through to keep these primitive jalopies running is just astounding. Can't even run a steam engine without a damn computer that should be out there rendering Pixar movies for us.

  • It doesn't matter because Elon Musk is delusional. The big automakers including MerBenz is going to eat his lunch. Any day now.

    Or so I hear.

  • Let's talk how small nations, like those in Europe, can be free from energy imports and the threat of CO2 and pollutants from petroleum.

    How much land do you need for a number of low carbon energy sources, in watts per square meter.
    Geo thermal: 50 mW/m2 (That's a world average, there will be hot and cold spots, but every addition to geothermal will approach this average.)
    Wind: 2 W/m2 (Not definitive for all time and place but at least within an order of magnitude.)
    Solar heating: 110 W/m2 (Just heat, not p

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      free from energy imports

      Why the hell would they want to be free of energy imports? Those imports, along with many other things, make their quality of life much better. Also, if their neighbours did turn hostile for some reason, they would have far bigger problems.

      Nuclear

      Is reliant on imported fuel and technology and engineering. And if they are only a small country, they probably can't afford it anyway.

  • Germany's auto regulator told Daimler that it would have to recall 42,000 Mercedes-Benz diesel vehicles after the group discovered illegal software on the cars .. Daimler .. disputed the government regulator's determination that the software in question was illegal

    What the f^H^Hk have these people been smoking?
  • A vehicle thermostat isn't in any way electronic or software . It's literally a piece of metal that expands to change the direction of coolant flow from an engine bypass to the radiator.

    This "action" is in no way like what happened to VW.

  • I'd be interested to know what the boundaries are for what is permitted and what isn't, particularly because my car - a Mercedes SL55 - has the biggest cheat I've ever heard of.

    Ask anyone who's had a "55" AMG (SL55, E55, CLS55 etc.) and if they've owned it for some time, they'll almost certainly have had to replace the secondary air circulation pump, a part that commonly fails. The weird thing is, there appears to be little or no difference to the car when the part has failed, other than a yellow "check eng

  • You think VW is the only player in the "tinker with the numbers" market?

    Think again.

    They were just the first to get caught.
    Should have been a clarion call to the others to clean up their acts before the magnifying glass got turned on them. That is, if they weren't too confident in the pay-offs for looking the other way.

    Looks like someone else got caught.
    I think it's about time to look at All of the players in the game.
    Just how wide-spread is this phenomenon, any way?

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