Boeing Falsified Records of a New 787 That Leaked Fuel (www.cbc.ca) 90
Long-time Slashdot reader Freshly Exhumed quotes the CBC: Boeing staff falsified records for a 787 jet built for Air Canada which developed a fuel leak ten months into service in 2015. In a statement to CBC News, Boeing said it self-disclosed the problem to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration after Air Canada notified them of the fuel leak.
The records stated that manufacturing work had been completed when it had not.
Boeing said an audit concluded it was an isolated event and "immediate corrective action was initiated for both the Boeing mechanic and the Boeing inspector involved." Boeing is under increasing scrutiny in the U.S. and abroad following two deadly crashes that claimed 346 lives and the global grounding of its 737 Max jets.
The records stated that manufacturing work had been completed when it had not.
Boeing said an audit concluded it was an isolated event and "immediate corrective action was initiated for both the Boeing mechanic and the Boeing inspector involved." Boeing is under increasing scrutiny in the U.S. and abroad following two deadly crashes that claimed 346 lives and the global grounding of its 737 Max jets.
Our beloved Boeing? (Score:4, Funny)
Must be a different Boeing. Our Boeing would never falsify records. /s
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Explains the free stick of chewing gum you're provided when you board the flight.
CAP === 'storks'
A free society demands voluntary association. (Score:1)
In a free society, there must be voluntary association; you don't have a right to associate with anyone else.
Naturally, this means you can't force someone to bake you cake, or to sell you food, or to keep you employed. Alas, we don't live in a free society, so there's a lot of anger, because a lot of people are trying to force each other to associate.
Re: A free society demands voluntary association. (Score:1)
While that's nice in principle, there's an inherent imbalance of power.
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Boeing did NOT falsify records. It was those outsourced from India, yeah they did it. India is to blame, not an innocent company.
Must be the same outsourced workers who found to be bashing&redrilling 737NG fuselage ribs (supplied on falsified documentation) to fit, then painting over their handiwork and falsifying records under management pressure back in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
There are unknown number of 737NGs (believed to be somewhere between 500-800) which are at risk of bursting in flight like Dehaviland Comets sooner or later.
Boeing reached a settlement with the FAA over this, but not before identifying and hounding the
Time to start (Score:5, Insightful)
sending Boeing managers to jail.
cook county jail (Score:2)
https://www.themarshallproject... [themarshallproject.org]
Re:Time to start (Score:5, Insightful)
sending Boeing managers to jail.
Time to send both the politicians and the aviation industry lobbyists they put in charge of the FAA in jail since they are ultimately just as responsible for this as the Boeing executives.
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Time to send both the politicians and the aviation industry lobbyists they put in charge...
Yeah, but who put the politicians in charge? I mean, let's not stop in the middle of the stream.
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Time to send both the politicians and the aviation industry lobbyists they put in charge...
Yeah, but who put the politicians in charge? I mean, let's not stop in the middle of the stream.
Well, the entire planet is currently laughing its collective ass off at the people who put the politicians in charge of the FAA for voting the New York village idiot into the White House. Not that this is punishment enough, but it's a good start.
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sending Boeing managers to jail.
Not really(*).
It appears on the surface that this was both a mechanic and an inspector not doing their job. If the mechanic said the work was done, and the inspector signed off on the work, then there's no expectation that any managers at any level are responsible. It could just as easily have been an act "on purpose", such as a terrorism attempt or an attempt by a pair of disgruntled employees, and there's no way the process can discover those.
It only affected one aircraft and Boing, for its part, inspected all their other aircraft and found no problems - it really appears to be an isolated incident caused by two employees out of thousands in the company.
Put those two people in jail, certainly. Especially the inspector.
But the managers and officers are not in any way to blame here.
(*) I wrote safety-certified aircraft software for 15 years.
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Boeing has form on this - as in was caught pulling falsification stunts with other aircraft (737NGs at Renton _and_ Wichita) and overriding safety inspector "stop work" orders (then sacking the inspectors -and eventually the whistleblowers from the _audit department_ who took it to the FAA and NTSB after being told to shut up and not talk about it.)
Calling it an "isolated incident" is NewSpeak trying to diminish the seriousness of this case.
Let's not forget the other recent issues of rotten quality control/
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Or just put them on 737 MAXes and let them fly.
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Or high cycle 737NGs taken up to their certified ceiling
MAX is more obvious but NG build falsification has already killed at least 11 people (hull breakups that shouldn't have happened during runway overruns) and is likely to kill more.
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"um, what about the military"
They still don't produce a single thing and spend a trillion tax dollars per decade to impress some locals who don't seem that impressed.
Trump (Score:2, Funny)
Why has manufacturing slid so far, (Score:4, Interesting)
Down the slippery slope.
Things have digressed to the point of selling a product for as much as possible.
Yet take every shortcut possible in the name of profit.
The bean counters and their families should all be on board for test flights!
Re:Why has manufacturing slid so far, (Score:5, Interesting)
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If by "socialism", you mean well-moneyed self-interested capitalists supported by lobbyists, then sure. It's always the wealthy who seem to get the socialist treatment, while the poor wind up supporting them.
Killing people and paying settlements is a line-item to them. A business cost. An expense.
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And communism is equal shares in wealth for everyone. All that state control, killing, totalitarian state stuff that is just the government. Communism itself is fine, just as capitalism itself is fine.
The preceding is sarcasm of course, in case you don't understand. You use the words 'the will of the people' in the same way that communist states would.
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Re:Why has manufacturing slid so far, (Score:4, Interesting)
because communist and socialist countries don't have companies that do the same thing?
pfffft.
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That's completely irrelevant to his point. His was a valid criticism of the worst effects of capitalism, not a claim in any way about communism. Why are you dragging communism into the conversation as if it's the only other alternative?
Karl Marx wrote a number of very insightful criticisms of capitalism of his day, and made a number of predictions about it, including that Britain would lose their dominant economic position to the United States for much the same reasons that the US is now losing their domin
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You would also be wrong. This kind of action has a long history in human society. There was once a king who kept a pikestaff next to his throne, and whenever someone brought him bad news, he'd personally kill that messenger.
Capitalism neither causes nor cures this reaction. It has to do more with the worship of authority, and the desire of authority to see itself as infallible.
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No, not a troll, just a limited perspective on history. Every socioeconomic philosophy is advanced as a way to improve the plight of mankind, to redress wrongs, to equalize opportunity. Communism for instance was a perfectly high minded theory. But Communism around the world was coopted by megalomaniacal sociopaths. Capitalism is more democratic by nature, but when government and oversight become lazy, corrupt, and disengaged, then the door is open for similarly self serving sociopaths that do not neces
Re: Why has manufacturing slid so far, (Score:1)
Boeing Falsifies... Trump Obstructs (Score:1)
A little drama here, a little theater there... but nothing of consequence... Sounds like just another day at the office.
We castrate the law by repeatedly reelecting law breakers. Enforcement is impossible when criminals are put in charge.
Purge needed. (Score:1)
It's painful to say but this needs to happen at Boeing:
1. Find every executive, manager / director from C-level down to middle management that came from Douglas. Find everyone they trained, identify all policies / training they put in place.
2. Retire them, get rid of them and their policies by whatever means possible.
3. Return Boeing to being an engineering-driven company. I know it's been 20+ years since the merger, but it has to be doable, no?
That's it. It'll be a lot of blood, but so it is when cut
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Funny kids solution that, in the real world the company would collapse followed by the collapse of most major airlines with un-maintainable inventory.
Capitalism is failing not the liberal world order (Score:3)
The company is supposed to be regulated but demonstrably is not. Shortcuts and chalk in the bread is the common theme of all these failings. Has capitalism got out of control? The market does not give a shit, they will just buy someone else's aeroplanes.
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and when all those Aeroflot planes were falling out of the sky was communism out of control?
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News for you, the manufacturers in communist regimes also had incentive structures and the executives also needed political coin, and so failures happened where people died.
The same crap happened in Soviet Union.
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No. Capitalism has not gone out of control. Capitalism is capitalism, it doesn't go out or in control.
People go out of control.
And in certain systems, eg. socialism, when things go out of control - the consequences tend to be *far* worse.