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Google Has Secret Webpages That Feed Your Personal Data To Advertisers, Report Says (cnet.com) 43

New evidence submitted for an investigation into Google's collection of personal data in the European Union reportedly accuses the search giant of stealthy sending your personal user data to advertisers. The company allegedly relays this information to advertisers using hidden webpages, allowing it to circumvent EU privacy regulations. From a report: The evidence was submitted to Ireland's Data Protection Commission, the main watchdog over the company in the European Union, by Johnny Ryan, chief policy officer for privacy-focused browser maker Brave, according to a Financial Times report Wednesday. Ryan reportedly said he discovered that Google used a tracker containing web browsing information, location and other data and sent it to ad companies via webpages that "showed no content," according to FT. This could allow companies buying ads to match a user's Google profile and web activity to profiles from other companies, which is against Google's own ad buying rules, according to the FT. In response, Google said Wednesday it doesn't serve "personalized ads or send bid requests to bidders without user consent."
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Google Has Secret Webpages That Feed Your Personal Data To Advertisers, Report Says

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  • Google (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cyberchondriac ( 456626 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:28AM (#59157460) Journal

    "$crew it, we evil now".

  • by mrwireless ( 1056688 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:38AM (#59157492)

    Once advertisers have made profiles about you, those same profiles will trickle down to databrokers, and from there to software products for insurers, HR, border guards, and so forth.

    The last time 'free stuff' on the internet as payed for by advertising alone was in 2013. Right now it's funded by anyone who wants to manage you as a risk.

    • Okay.

      I'm really not seeing the big deal.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        That's because you have no data worth collecting, junior. When you grow up and get a job and start a family and generate financial records, real estate records, travel records, medical records, insurance records, develop a business and/or create/invent things, you might feel differently. The reason you don't understand or care now is because all you do is sponge off of your parents and use social media, watch videos and play games.

      • by shipofgold ( 911683 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:09PM (#59158212)

        You are denied life insurance because you googled about skydiving.

        Your employer purchases data from a databroker for advertising purposes and someone in HR decides to find out what Employees are doing on their home computer. They are able to match some of the data to you and find your are researching other employers.

        I could go on...the list is quite long.

    • It's still advertising though. All the money they're making is 100% from advertising, or selling data to advertisers, advertising brokers, or advertising services. They're not making any money that is not related to advertising in some way.

      • by kalpol ( 714519 )
        People are howling for this data though with which to make real financial decisions, especially health data. All those genetic companies are not selling you kits for gene sequencing because they care about making money off your Scotch-Irish ancestry queries.
    • "The last time 'free stuff' on the internet as payed for by advertising alone was in 2013. Right now it's funded by anyone who wants to manage you as a risk."

        I hope some of these assholes who are 'managing' us end up on the wrong side of their bullshit, and find themselves guarding their asses against Bubba.

        I almost want to SWAT their asses, really I do.

    • Ok, what happened in 2013? Yahoo buying Tumblr? The original Silk Road getting shut down? Windows 8 released?

  • No way! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Dallas May ( 4891515 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:40AM (#59157502)

    Google sells personal information to advertisers?!
    Holy crap. What do you mean, "This is their whole business plan"?

    You mean they've been doing this THE WHOLE TIME!

    • Re:No way! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:32PM (#59157740) Homepage Journal

      Many if not most people have assumed that Google has jealously guarded that data for their own purposes, which include selling access to it without selling it — over and over again.

      It was a not unreasonable assumption, because the credit card companies had done it. They gathered enormous volumes of customer data, and they would effectively make it available without selling it by working with third parties to perform mass mailings. So you'd ask them for x addresses of people with a, b, and maybe c (or not-c, or whatever) characteristics, and their mailer would ship out x mailers that you provided for y percent over the USPS bulk rate. Anyone who responded to your ad campaign, you'd know fit the description that you asked them for, so there was obviously data leakage. But return rates on mailers are usually very small, so the rate of leakage is very slow. I'm sure someone could do the math here to figure out how many mailings you have to do before you get useful results, but it sounds boring. I presume they're still doing this. They still know a lot about people.

      I am not shocked if Google has been deliberately making it easy for advertisers to collect some data about you, since that sounds profitable. I am surprised if they make it easy for them to learn all that Google is learning about you, because that data is valuable, and selling access to it is valuable.

      • by dissy ( 172727 )

        Many if not most people have assumed that Google has jealously guarded that data for their own purposes, which include selling access to it without selling it â" over and over again.

        Given that the "evidence" is entirely browser cookies set for the domain doubleclick.net, you can remain safe in your assumptions.

        What surprises me more is just how many people right here on slashdot have never once yet in their lives seen or heard of the doubleclick domain name, or ever noticed before it sets cookies, or that the majority of websites with advertising include that domain.

        Shocked posters and those that mod them up are already nearing a hundred :/

  • by Empiric ( 675968 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:43AM (#59157520)

    ...location and other data and sent it to ad companies via webpages that "showed no content," according to FT.

    You mean, like a REST API?

  • the url used is pagead2.googlesyndication.com, which probably already blocked in whatever ad blocker you use, or dare I say HOSTS file.

    • by Tanath ( 2639157 )
      You know the hosts file is trivial to bypass, right? Using IP addresses directly bypasses DNS altogether.
  • by Photo_Nut ( 676334 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:08PM (#59157622)

    It's only a secret if you don't have a clue how the internet works. Everyone else calls this Google Analytics, and those RPCs / APIs are the way you understand where your traffic is coming from. It's easier to use a free service from Google and let them crunch the data than it is to build a comparably good system. Everyone that uses Google services - even just people searching - benefits from the analytics.

    Honestly, the number of times we get Slashdot headings when someone who doesn't have a clue how things work suddenly has a panic attack is depressing. The real headline is: Government Researcher cries foul after learning that Google analyzes traffic. Calls it "secret" links to "hidden webpages".

    I thought this was supposed to be "News for nerds."

  • Um (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jwymanm ( 627857 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:11PM (#59157640) Homepage
    This is how 3/4 of advertising on websites work. Not all of it is visual. This is obviously to stop Google. Once the advertising and marketing is more and more regulated EU will be able to prop up its own companies to get part of the pie. This is not about protecting peoples data this is about money.
    • by jwymanm ( 627857 )
      Meant to post this part also. It's constantly Brave that is poking the EU on these "violations" of Google. Brave has been behind several of the findings.

      "The evidence was submitted to Ireland's Data Protection Commission, the main watchdog over the company in the European Union, by Johnny Ryan, chief policy officer for privacy-focused browser maker Brave, according to a Financial Times report Wednesday. Ryan reportedly said he discovered that Google used a tracker containing web browsing information, locat

    • This is how 3/4 of advertising on websites work. Not all of it is visual. This is obviously to stop Google. Once the advertising and marketing is more and more regulated EU will be able to prop up its own companies to get part of the pie. This is not about protecting peoples data this is about money.

      Are you sure it isn't about vaccinations?

    • Once the advertising and marketing is more and more regulated EU will be able to prop up its own companies to get part of the pie. This is not about protecting peoples data this is about money.

      Your claim is meaningless if you don't substantiate it. You should also probably suggest an idea for how to remedy your perceived issue.

  • These "web pages" are JSON files. Here's an example:
    https://brave.com/wp-content/u... [brave.com]

    They probably used the word "web pages" to help the wider public understand.

  • Pretty sure I don't really consent to ANY of this personal data gathering BS. If we don't click the boxes, we basically have no internet. I'm calling this extortion.
    • If we don't click the boxes, we basically have no internet. I'm calling this extortion.

      No, no!

      This is *leveraged access* which is totally different! /s

      Strat

  • by kalpol ( 714519 ) on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:36PM (#59157758)
    All you have to do is run uMatrix to see how many pages have calls to Google for APIs, fonts, analytics, whatever else. Literally almost everywhere.
  • If you aren't paying for the product you are the product.

    I've been saying this for years and nothing has changed. When will people learn?

    • If you aren't paying for the product you are the product.

      I've been saying this for years and nothing has changed. When will people learn?

      Even if you are paying, you're still the product. Look at Apple for example!

      Companies are getting away with this because there is neither legislation prohibiting it in most places nor is there enough consumers turning away from tech giants for practicing these abuses. Neither the invisible hand nor government is stemming the tide.

  • Hey, what's a $130 million fine per user for breaking the law?

  • Proof yet again that anything Google says about users privacy being important is a lie.
    The WHOLE company relies on users having no privacy, having no control over their data. The will wilfully invade the privacy of children, slurp up as much person information as they can, break privacy laws, etc.

    Google is now evil.
  • I know Google's the favorite golden egg/cashcow for EU regulators at the moment but they really should broaden the scope a little. Let's have a look at all the advertising domains Slashdot wants to import Javascript from:
    • adnxs.com
    • advertising.com
    • contextweb.com
    • crsspxl.com
    • doubleclick.net
    • google-analytics.com
    • janrain.com
    • licdn.com
    • lijit.com
    • ml314.com
    • pro-market.net
    • rpxnow.com
    • rubiconproject.com
    • stack-sonar.com
    • taboola.com

    That's not even bad compared with the majority of web sites out there. Some news sites have upward

  • google.com,youtube.com,gmail.com

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