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UK Drops Plans For Online Pornography Age Verification System (theguardian.com) 99

Plans to introduce a nationwide age verification system for online pornography have been abandoned by the government after years of technical troubles and concerns from privacy campaigners. From a report: The climbdown follows countless difficulties with implementing the policy, which would have required all pornography websites to ensure users were over 18. Methods would have included checking credit cards or allowing people to buy a "porn pass" age verification document from a newsagent. Websites that refused to comply with the policy -- one of the first of its kind in the world -- faced being blocked by internet service providers or having their access to payment services restricted. The culture secretary, Nicky Morgan, told parliament the policy would be abandoned. Instead, the government would instead focus on measures to protect children in the much broader online harms white paper. This is expected to introduce a new internet regulator, which will impose a duty of care on all websites and social media outlets -- not just pornography sites.
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  • The climbdown follows countless difficulties with implementing the policy, which would have required all pornography websites to ensure users were over 18.

    Yet, I'm sure this unworkable thing that NO ONE wants will be proposed and scheduled again in the near future.

  • Is this some sort of buzzphrase in Great Britain? I get the concept, but I see/hear it popping up in all sorts of contexts over the last 4-5 years in British media.

            Putting a website in the same child care category as a doctor or a nanny seems absurd, and even less likely to work than an age pass.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      A duty of care is a common idea in European legal systems. A lot of it stems from human rights.

      It just means that an organization has a legal duty to make an effort to protect people. That can range from having age checks to providing safety equipment to doing due diligence.

      An example would be gambling companies that have a duty of care towards their customers, meaning they must check that they are not spending too much on gambling and offer them help if they become addicted.

      It's a socialist idea where comp

      • Re:Duty of Care? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by malkavian ( 9512 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:36AM (#59314910)

        Not so sure it's Socialist. It's more like an application of ethics, and applies in whichever political system you care to name.
        At the end of the day, applied in companies, it's known to have a marked difference on long term productivity and morale of workers (so works nicely as a Nash equilibrium). In the wider scope, it's known to have positive impact on the psychological health of a population (again, reducing costs, as they don't need as much healthcare, which in Europe is socialised, which is a good thing in my books, as it's critical infrastructure for making sure a populace is as ready for working and achieving as they can be).
        From a more business view, it's a long term strategy, rather than a short term. Looking after customers and their environment means they're likely to be customers for a lot longer. After having the toes dipped in the water of short termism, a lot of the more long term strategies are reappearing, which is very good.
        But think we're dead in agreement that it's a good thing. :)

      • As mentioned, I get the idea, it far predates socialism/totalitarianism, it's basic ethics that predates human history.

        My question was more as a legal concept/buzzphrase - "protecting people" is far too vague to hold up in a court of law, at least in the USA. Given that this is Europe, I presume that that was no accident, it is intentionally vague so that it can be selectively enforced. which is how the modern equivalent of "royal privilege" is implemented in socialist states.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          It's not vague. It means they are responsible for that person and if they allow something bad to happen that they could have prevented they are responsible.

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      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Ah, trolled again by there mere definition of words. We really need to stop snowfakes getting mod points.

      • Bullshit. Duty of Care means exactly what it says. English is NOT that difficult a language.

        If two adults fuck and have a rugrat, they have a Duty of Care to look after the rugrat until it is capable of looking after itself. If they do not want a rugrat then they have a Duty of Care to wear a condom or a balloon or otherwise keep the sperm from meeting egg (ass fucking works).

        If you pay someone to look after you or to do something, then they have a Duty of Care to do the thing which they were paid to do.

    • This is inevitably what happens when you entertain women's suffrage.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:20AM (#59314794)
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    • I think the same.
      As with many of those symbolic subjects, whenever they are fighting porn they are putting an infrastructure in place which may take some effort, but once the infrastructure exists they can switch it to work on anything else in an instant whenever the decision is made..

    • by malkavian ( 9512 )

      There is no sure fire way of protecting anyone or anything. Given the incredibly small incidence of things like this, I'd say the rules and regulations are working at a fair balance. Too much one way and you end up with real problems (I remember a decade or so ago that the then Government were introducing legislation that you had to be registered, background checked and certified for being in a position of care for a child, even if it was looking after your friends' kids for an evening, otherwise it was a

    • The UK government once [massively fucked up]. Again in 2015 the UK [government massively fucked up]

      Until the UK government can demonstrate some sort of real-world effectiveness in protecting kids...

      I'm going to guess you're American. Most Americans think the UK is very very small. It isn't except by land area. It's about 1/5 of the size of the US in terms of population, which means about the size of California and Texas combined.

      Basically your post amounts to "I found a couple of times where Texas or Califo

    • It's not just the rich and powerful.

      I have been listening to the podcast: "Unheard: The Fred & Rose West Tapes". One of their children was taken to hospital with an STD and there appears to have been no action on this.

  • by AxisOfPleasure ( 5902864 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:36AM (#59314912)

    My government couldn't block a drain, let alone websites! Conservatives talk utter crap and make promises to appeal to the middle-Englander, NIMBY crowd they need to ensure they stay in power. "You're kids are being corrupted by this nasty internet thing! Paedos and terrorists lurking around every corner, they're going to kill and rape your kids! We'll put a stop to it and block the bad stuff on this internet thingy if you vote for us!".

    Fast forward 2 years and "Sorry, we didn't have a clue what we were talking about so we spoke to some people who know about this computer stuff and after spunking £5m in consultation fees on finding out more, they told us it was impossible to do, so sorry and all but it's all off!".

    • You need an ID to get into strip club for obvious reasons but it need not show your identity -- the bouncer only needs your FACE matching to the above 18 indicator on the ID.

      You can digitally sign documents for a long long time now.

      You just need a 2D barcode that is government signed to verify it is a legit document. No name or personal information is required other than the minimum to verify it is YOUR document and not a borrowed or stolen one. A PIN could do for probably everything involving age verifica

      • "You need an ID to get into strip club for obvious reasons"

        No you do not. Nor do you need ID to get a drink. In fact, you do not really need ID for anything at all, other than presenting to the fascists when they demand your papers. Just tell them to fuck off and they will go away. If they do not go away, just wait until they attack you and then immediately kill them in self-defense. Eventually all the fascists will be dead and the issue will be resolved.

        • Don't forget to take your meds.

          • As much as I agree with you, technically he's right.

            You do not need an ID to have a drink here in the UK. The merchant needs to see your ID to sell you a drink.

            It's the businesses, not the purchasers who are on the hook for selling alcohol (or any other restricted substance) to minors.

            Thos does mean that if you decide to go full paranoid nutbar like the GP then the merchant has every right to refuse service and to tell you to sod off out of their establishment.

            As for this Pornblock thing, I'
            • In the USA, in my state, merchants can get into trouble (liquor license) if they are caught so they only card people who look too young; only to verify their age. So it's not much different; an ID keeps the merchant happy. Unfortunately, underage people get credit cards so that can't be an alternative method.

              I'm sure plenty of states here have laws to punish buyers for purchase, possession, and even intent to defraud (lie about age, fake ID, etc.) which can be dug up against the disliked (prior criminal rec

  • That's the song coming out of the Pied Piper's flute who leads otherwise reasonable adults into the dystonian hell.

    • by fenrif ( 991024 )
      Think of the children is SO 1990's. Think of the women/trans/ethnic minority is the new in thing. No one cares about children any more. Unless, that is, they fit into one of those three categories.
      • No, it's still "think of the children" and we have been seeing a lot more "think of the children" lately.

          Thanks to all of the high profile violence that has been in the news lately, such as the El Paso shootings, the proto-fascists are giddy and excited,
        and see this time as their chance to railroad in their shitty little laws.
        "Think of the children" is one of their most used tools in their toolboxes.

  • by meta-monkey ( 321000 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:37PM (#59315184) Journal

    Yes, we absolutely need a pornography age verification system. I cannot stand it when the video says "teen," you click on it and it's some 35-year-old woman with pigtails.

  • ... it needs to be extended to other websites, until we can find a big enough money pot to pay for anything and everything necessary to make it work.

    Even if it won't.

  • Next time, UK, just post an Ask Slashdot inquiring whether a technology plan is even remotely possible. If 95% of the comments mock it, maybe move on.

    And let's be clear - it was mostly just an editor who called the iPod lame, and respecting the editors here would go against social norms.

  • Hurray!
  • Dilbert [dilbert.com].

  • a country briefly coming to it's senses and doing something reasonable is major, and surprising, news.
  • They youth street gangs there are much better armed than the law aiding citizens and even the police. They are packing huge 'zombie' knives, machetes, and yes, guns. And this kind of violence is wide spread throughout the entire UK.

      And yet the UK powers to be are scared that little Johnny might see a nipple on the computer screen.

      I think the powers of the UK have their priorities a little mixed up.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      They youth street gangs there are much better armed than the law aiding citizens and even the police. They are packing huge 'zombie' knives, machetes, and yes, guns. And this kind of violence is wide spread throughout the entire UK.

      Sounds like you've been reading the Daily Mail or similar. Most of the time, most of the UK is a very peaceful place. I travel around *a lot* including many large cities with 'reputations' (I have free rail travel) and in my 50+ years, I have *never* seen anyone with any weapon a

    • by ledow ( 319597 )

      UK citizen, since birth.

      Have literally never seen a knife or gun on the streets, or met anyone who's experienced a gun crime in the capital. I don't even know anyone who owns a gun in any way, shape or form (even the few legal paths open to landowners, hunters, licensed range shooters, etc.)

      Stop reading the tabloid papers, it's a nonsense. All rates are vastly lower than you can imagine elsewhere, and thus stories are cherry picked for every little incident that happens.

      Seriously: Watch a British "police

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