For Now Women, Not Democracy, Are the Main Victims of Deepfakes (zdnet.com) 86
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: While the 2020 U.S. presidential elections have lawmakers on edge over AI-generated fake videos, a new study by Netherlands-based deepfake-detection outfit Deeptrace shows that the main victims today are women. According to Deeptrace, deepfake videos have exploded in the past year, rising from 8,000 in December 2018 to 14,678 today. And not surprisingly for the internet, nearly all of the material is pornography, which accounts for 96% of the deepfake videos it's found online. The fake videos have been viewed 134 million times.
The numbers suggest deepfake porn is still niche but also growing quickly. Additionally, 90% of the fake content depicted women from the U.S., UK, and Canada, while 2% represented women from South Korea and 2% depicted women from Taiwan. "Deepfake pornography is a phenomenon that exclusively targets and harms women," the company notes. That small number of non-pornographic deepfake videos it analyzed on YouTube mostly contained (61%) synthesized male subjects. According to Henry Ajder, a researcher at Deeptrace, currently most of the deepfake porn involves famous women. But he reckons the threat to all women is likely to increase as it becomes less computationally expensive to create deepfakes. As for the political threat, there actually aren't that many cases where deepfakes have changed a political outcome.
The numbers suggest deepfake porn is still niche but also growing quickly. Additionally, 90% of the fake content depicted women from the U.S., UK, and Canada, while 2% represented women from South Korea and 2% depicted women from Taiwan. "Deepfake pornography is a phenomenon that exclusively targets and harms women," the company notes. That small number of non-pornographic deepfake videos it analyzed on YouTube mostly contained (61%) synthesized male subjects. According to Henry Ajder, a researcher at Deeptrace, currently most of the deepfake porn involves famous women. But he reckons the threat to all women is likely to increase as it becomes less computationally expensive to create deepfakes. As for the political threat, there actually aren't that many cases where deepfakes have changed a political outcome.
Links... (Score:4, Funny)
or it didn't happen. The skeptic in me wants to make sure.
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Sounds so similar to the article's
"Deepfake pornography is a phenomenon that exclusively targets and harms women,"
Makes you wonder how many women it **helps** instead harms by making fewer people involved in pornography.
Heck, if/when deepfakes get good enough, there won't be a need for women to enter pornography at all.
(or is the person who made that comment worried about a loss of jobs for those women? somehow I don't think so.)
Women sure do complain a lot... (Score:2, Interesting)
Women complain about men "looking at other women" when they jack off to online porn...
So men create "deepfakes," pasting their woman's face on someone else's body and jack off to that instead.
And then the women complain, "Now we're vicktums of derpfakes!!"
Oh, give me a break. It's just pixels lighting up on a screen. Nobody really gives a fuck.
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I know right? The poor fuckers fighting and dying in the trenches were the lucky ones!
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They really got to enjoy that "My body, my choice" privilege.
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Who is this Hilary Clinton person you're quoting?
The front-woman for the famous Arkansas band, the Hill Billies.
I think they did "Devil with a Blue Dress", "Hard Drive (Smashin') Man", "Les Deplorables", and "Do Cry for me, America".
There's been talk of a comeback tour in 2020, but most people don't think she could stand
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Those actually sound real.
Now I want to hear them.
With deepfakes I can; wait does a sound version exist?
Try to pronounce 'America' like 'Argentina".
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-1 Off Topic. Is there an election coming or something?
Seriously, do you really want to go into 2020 still flogging that dead horse?
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>Warren won't have to fight as hard to win.
Warren won't have to fight as hard because she will be propped up by CNN and friends just like Clinton. :)
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Nah, like feeding debate questions. Covering everything favorably. Ignoring obvious draw backs. Outright lying in some cases ("You can't look at the emails. Only we, media, can"). Kind of like only mentioning Gabbard as a Russian asset and cutting Gabbard off from criticizing the Anointed One when it might damage her like Harris.
>e broadcasting every single one of her opponent's campaign rallies unedited,
You mean the pied piper Clinton's campaign wanted that media networks delivered and it back fired? Or
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Oh and getting campaign approval before publishing an article about said campaign. There are just so many different ways the Clinton campaign was helped it's hard to keep them all in mind.
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It's going to be amusing watching the tables get turned. Trump's phone calls, tax returns... And chants of "lock him up!"
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Well she's not wrong. It's not like the men will give a shit when they are dead.
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^^ This
The curious side of me whats to check them out, and admittedly I have. I know that the women involved have nothing to do with it.
If you want to see REALLY good deep fakes search Maitland Ward on xvideos or pornhub.
Remember the hot chic from Boy Meets world?
She turned porn star at 40 something, and it's hot as fuck.
Seriously , not deepfake : real nympho. (and she is married)
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Here ya go [youtube.com]
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sexual assult. (Score:1, Troll)
By "victim of deep fakes" you mean "victims of online sexual assult".
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By "victim of deep fakes" you mean "victims of online sexual assult".
Transparent troll is transparent. You were frothing so hard there, you even missed a key.
Pixels! (Score:2, Funny)
By "victim of deep fakes" you mean "victims of online sexual assult".
It's only appropriate that we code up an online prison for the perps to visit.
Round up the usual victims (Score:4, Insightful)
As usual, women and children [wikipedia.org] are hit the worst.
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How delusional can you be. I know, I know exactly what is coming next, THOUGHT RAPE. They know what you were thinking and it was rape, destroy that animal. What can be said but yeah "OK, nahh fuck off", well, I am not writing that to you I am simply stating what I would state, if you said that to me.
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This attitude is so harmful to women and regressive.
So much conflict for women boils down to old stigmas around sex and for some reason women seem to cling to them alongside voicing empowerment.
Sex is not harmful. Meaningless sex is not harmful. It doesn't devalue you, it doesn't take anything from you. Therefore some guy who is looking at you with "creeper eyes" is in no way harming or assaulting you. Some guy masterbating to your image isn't assaulting or harming you. Some guy having sex with you isn't as
humanity driven by sex and war (Score:5, Interesting)
Porn has propelled stone carving technology [wikipedia.org], oil painting, film projectors, VCR's, the Internet, and now AI. It's second only to war in generating and spreading new inventions.
Gee, if there were a porn war, we'd be trekkin' across the galaxy by now.
I must admit, I'd really like a personal deep-fake of Naomi Campbell doing me.
90% of the money, 80% of the usage (Score:2)
Indeed.
Back in the 1990s, 80% of the traffic and 90% of the money on the internet was adult sites. Porn literally paid for the internet. Name almost any internet technology and the first widespread use of it was for porn (I was developing tech for internet porn through the 1990s, so I saw or made much of it first-hand).
Like the internet and color printing, deepfake technology will be used for other purposes after it's perfected by porn.
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I won them at a porn convention in 1998 (Score:2)
I won a pair of 3D shutter glasses (newest technology available at the time) at a porn industry convention. :)
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REPORTING FOR DUTY, SIR!
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Naomi, you changed a lot. I don't remember the beard.
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Don't forget the robots! What's the point of an AI if I can't download a Lucy Liu bot where she will listen to my *can eat more* stories with a spark in her eye. Just not too many sparks. I don't want a fire.
Wouldn't that protect women though? (Score:4, Interesting)
If I can deep fake a face that doesn't exist, wouldn't that be the best way to protect a pornactresses identity? That's the first thing I'd think of if I would act porn.
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If I can deep fake a face that doesn't exist, wouldn't that be the best way to protect a pornactresses identity?
If AI can deep fake the face, then it can deep-fake the whole body, then she loses her job.
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Supposedly porn and sexualization is harmful to women so that also should be a plus.
Is pr0n really harmful to women? (Score:2)
I'm not so sure about that. One could certainly argue that high culture hasn't reached mainstream porn and that the image of sex that a lot of porn portraits is one-dimensional at best, but I wouldn't dismiss porn or prostitution as bad per se. One could imagine a high culture of sex services and porn that are widely socially accepted and regarded as forms of art and important to society.
The sexual liberation also includes porn and overcoming the concept of the blemished woman I would consider a step forwar
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"One could imagine a high culture of sex services and porn that are widely socially accepted and regarded as forms of art and important to society."
I can't imagine a world where socially acceptable porn retains the point. Even socially acceptable sex would lose the point let alone socially acceptable fantasies.
Re:Wouldn't that protect women though? (Score:4, Interesting)
If I can deep fake a face that doesn't exist, wouldn't that be the best way to protect a pornactresses identity? That's the first thing I'd think of if I would act porn.
If someone can deep fake a face that doesn't exist, then it should be easy for some one to deep fake a face that does exist (your mom, wife, sister, daughter). How would that protect women?
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"How would that protect women?"
From what? I mean obviously that hits some emotional triggers or whatever but what actual harm would occur? Thoughts in someone elses head while they masterbate might be a weird thing to think about but they don't actually hurt anyone.
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Very obvious... Even if the video is non-fake she can claim that it's fake so it has no importance.
Everyone could be "deepfaked", so, where is the big problem here? I don't see it.
Deepfake only damage if people believes that deepfake are reals. If deelfake become massive, the effect will be just the opposite. Everybody will think that ALL videos are fake.
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When everything is fake is there any harm left to be had. Remove all taboo and who gives a shit when someone you don't know is jacking off to you without your knowledge?
Re: Wouldn't that protect women though? (Score:2)
It could. Thats not what is happening. Actual live women are being inserted into porn without there awareness or consent.
If completely fictional women were being used in porn, then that may fine. I look forward to seeing that happen.
how does this hurt women??? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Do you have sisters? Your mother still alive? Why don't you go ask them how they'd feel if someone made deepfake porn with them as the subject.
I just fantasized about having a threesome with your mother and sister. Why don't you go ask how they feel about that ?
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Better yet, how about we stop teaching the women in our society that it matters. We need to dispel all the nonsense taboo which stems from the idea that sex devalues or takes away. Someone who just wants to bang you isn't looking for anything negative that would be harmful, demeaning, or take anything from you and it shouldn't impact your view or relationship with that person any more than if they were looking for someone to talk to.
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Plea to emotion fallacy. If psychology wants to add value instead of just continuing to harm our society the appropriate response to program for this one would be flattery because it has the greatest net positive result.
How would you feel if you study really hard for an exam and get a low score? Or give it your best and lose a competition? How would you feel is someone spread rumors you were a lousy lay at school?
Shit happens that makes us feel bad all the time. That doesn't mean something should be done to
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We've returned to the 1880s where women are delicate flowers whose reputation mayn't be sullied, or it will destroy them publicly. Even being vaguely associated with such a thing as porn - even with an acknowledged deepfake - is enough to tarnish her precious, precious sexual reputation.*
*her 1836 Tinder hookups from 2013-2019 notwithstanding.
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Society hurts women due to the topic being taboo, not the guy jacking off in his basement. He's harmless.
Is not real porn "harming" women too? (Score:3)
There are people claiming, the regular porn harms women [theconversation.com].
And not just by "promoting violence", but that the actual actresses are being hurt — and are at risk. The computer-generated fakes, at least, alleviate that second part somewhat.
Re:Is not real porn "harming" women too? (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem is consent. No one is getting these womens' consent to make computer-generated fake porn with their faces in it. I'm a man and I have no problem understanding how utterly, devastatingly humiliating it would be for someone, anyone, to find out that someone had done that and circulated it on the Internet. Being male I imagine if someone made deepfake gay porn of me. Utterly humiliating, in more ways that one, some people would swear it was real and not a fake, and what do you do then? Excuse me for being crude, but imagine you're a woman (if you aren't, that is) and someone makes deepfake anal gangbang porn of you; how are you going to feel about that?
I'm no prude. I don't have time or much inclination anymore to be involved with anyone (wouldn't be fair to someone else, with my schedule being so busy constantly) so I will use pornography sometimes as a 'pressure relief valve'. But those porn actresses (ostensibly, at least) consent to what it is they're being recorded doing, and many of them are well-paid as well. I acknowledge the fact that human trafficking is a real thing and that there are many women in the world who are literally being forced into sex acts, basically slaves, and that's bullshit that needs to stop, and I know that there are plenty of people out there who earnestly believe that all women in porn are being 'taken advantage of', regardless of what the women they're referring to have to say about it (leave them their own Free Agency, for fuck's sake!) but they're legally adults and they're making adult decisions for themselves; so long as no one is being forced, no harm no foul I say. But these 'deepfakes'? That's just evil bullshit that needs to stop.
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Wow... Just wow... Do you really equate — conflate — the physical dangers to one's body from sexually-transmitted diseases and violence [independent.co.uk] to the "suffering" of unauthorized use of one's likeness?
What's your — and that of the esteemed moderators, giving you such acclaim — view on the vodoo dolls? Should Trump [cnn.com] and Bush sue those burning them in effigy, or beheading [newsbusters.org]
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Not all porn is harmful of course, but a lot of it is very exploitative.
Currently the operators of a site called "Girls Do Porn" are being prosecuted for trafficking and other crimes. One has fled the country already. They advertised for non-porn modelling jobs, then basically pressured the girls into doing porn and told them that the videos would only be for sale on DVD overseas. Of course they actually went up on their website and were heavily advertised and sold in the US.
At last count there were 27 plai
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Funny... If I cited one — or even ten — lawsuit involving Muslims or illegal immigrants to support a general anti-Muslim or anti-immigration point, you would've called me a "hater" and "extreme far-right".
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I don't know who you think I am but I'm not that person.
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Literally, 1st goole result:
lyrebird [descript.com]
In fact, Let me google that for you [lmgtfy.com]
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Portman Petrified? (Score:5, Funny)
Wait, so you're saying we can actually have Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, covered in hot grits?!
Out of all of the weird trolls on Slashdot, that was not the one I was expecting to come anywhere near true.
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Sorry, NN technology is decades away from realistic simulation of hot grits.
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I also suppose she has some copyrights on her face and name, Although I wonder what happens if software exists that lets people create their deep-fakes on the fly for personal use.
Would it actually be legal to create a porn scene with a Nathalie Portman l
Exactly as predicted? (Score:3)
Forget about deepfakes for a minute. Imagine NewPornTechX, a newly invented visual technology.
Who will be the subjects of this new visual technology? 80% women, 10% straight men, 10% gay men?
Why? Because that's what the audience, predominantly men, is interested in seeing. Any variation from the expected norm would be news, not exactly what would be predicted.
In the same way that less than two out of a hundred romance novels are bought by men, there are very strong gender preferences in stimulating material. Apparently a good chunk of the Quora traffic these days is women reading erotica. Who knew?
The issue isn't the percentage and if there is a deeper issue of concern, it should not be clouded by percentage talk.
Now then, back to deepfakes: check out "ctrl-shift-face" on YouTube for some hilarious and impressive graphics work.
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Did Quora finally find a reason to exist?
Re:Exactly as predicted? (Score:4, Interesting)
Not saying it's alright but contrast that with whatever-percent of fan-fiction romance novels targets men.
Remember the Harry Potter fandom?
How about 50 shaders of rich and powerful CEO. "unrealistic financial expectations of men" anyone? no?
How about some romance movies about chisel-jawed teenagers vampire & werewolf fighting over a girl?
Where's the outrage? Where's the moral panic?
When it's medias that women enjoy is all fine and dandy.
When it's medias that men enjoy it's the source of all the evils in the world.
Even when there's not even any real women involved (cartoons, 3D animations, comic books) it's "hurting women" and something has to be done about it to rescue the poor damsels.
However creepy the deepfakes are, the disproportionate reaction is getting tiring.
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You can't have poor men horny! Women don't want to have sex with poor men! What are you thinking? Society is being destroyed by people like you hurr durr
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Men aren't allowed to be horny at all, except when women choose for them to be horny, on their terms and on command.
Re: Exactly as predicted? (Score:2)
Nope. If you have power or money (which is just power in tangible form) you can get horny whenever you want. There is a movement to bring them under too, but women need them to keep the poors away, which is why the movement is so complicated in its form.
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Remember the Harry Potter fandom?
How about 50 shaders of rich and powerful CEO. "unrealistic financial expectations of men" anyone? no?
How about some romance movies about chisel-jawed teenagers vampire & werewolf fighting over a girl?
Where's the outrage? Where's the moral panic?
There was loads, why do you ask? Like fundies who banned Harry Potter for promoting satanism. plenty of ink was spilled in outrage over 50 shades. There's plenty about moral decline, people complaining about the incredibly toxic
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Like fundies who banned Harry Potter for promoting satanism.
That was minor religious groups about witchcraft and not a wide media outrage.
That wasn't about the fandom of adult women writing fan-fiction fantasies about minor boys.
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"There was heaps of outrage and righteous anger of all sorts to go around."
Yeah but none of it (or at least none with any coverage) about unrealistic and unfair portrayals of men. The you don't count rankings pile up, you don't count if your a man, white, straight and if you are a straight white man you aren't just not entitled to an opinion but failing to show shame means you are probably a fucking nazi. Actually it would probably be somehow worse if you are old as well but I'm not sure since there an elde
exploded? (Score:2)
I don't think exploded means what you think it means.
On the bright side... (Score:2)
deepfake! oh no's (Score:2)
the only thing new about deepfakes is that it is automated and that it's done with video's.
i don't know how long i've been looking at pr0n, probably way to long, but as long as i can remember there have always been photoshopped pr0n pics with the heads of famous folks. so is deepfake new in that regard? i don't think so.
also, why not make a double hit and do deepfake porn with female politicians :P
The word is subject (Score:2)
The subjects are women not victims. Any sort of harm is presupposed here.
Wait, has this happened? (Score:2)
As for the political threat, there actually aren't that many cases where deepfakes have changed a political outcome.
"Aren't that many" means "more than none". So have there been cases where we know deepfakes have changed a political outcome? If someone had an even plausible example I'd expect the media to be on it like gamers on Red Bull.