Imgur Won't Support Reddit's NSFW Communities Anymore Because They Put Its 'Business At Risk' (theverge.com) 91
In a blog post published earlier this week, image-sharing site Imgur wrote that it won't display any content from Reddit's NSFW communities on its site. The Verge reports: If you search for, say, r/NSFW on Imgur, you'll hit a landing page that reads: "As of Oct 2019, Imgur will no longer display NSFW Imgur r/subsections associated with Reddit subreddits." They also helpfully link to a couple alternatives that you can use in Imgur's place. No content, however, has been deleted or moved, and any NSFW images previously uploaded to Reddit and hosted on Imgur are staying at their original URLs. You can also still upload NSFW images to Imgur as long as they're marked "hidden." The move came because, as Imgur wrote in its post, "over the years, these pages have put Imgur's user growth, mission, and business at risk." That's oddly strong language to use, and it points to Reddit's own problems with moderation.
ftfy (Score:1)
>over the years, these pages have put Imgur's ad growth, ad mission, and ad business at risk." That's oddly strong language to use, and it points to unhesitating obedience to marketing partners.
That it happened is barely news. And the motive definitely isn't.
Fundamentalist morals put us all at risk. (Score:2, Insightful)
What do they think this is? The Victorian era? The Islamic State?
People like to fuck, eat, sleep, breathe, love and fuck some more. Trained to think like that through many millions of generations. Get over it. The year reads freaking 2019.
The only ones who have a problem with that, are the ones who immediately associate it with horrible sick fuck things. Either because they are like that themselves, or because some of their relatives were. If you know what I mean.
We all have seen porn. No exceptions.
And nob
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No,seriously. From what do you draw the conclusion that the site or anyone involved in running it, let alone the "social justice movement" in general is pro-pedo?
Fark.com had to go through a similar cleanup, as it would regularly intersperse adult material with regular postings. Tumblr also had a (half-functional) cleanup spurned by financial matters.
Attempting to access an adult /r/ community on Imgur currently displays a message that users can look at the same content through redditer
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When did Fark ever have dirty content?
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Fark had NSFW content pretty early on, generally under the [Boobies] tag and later segregated at Foobies.com. User commented on it just like everything else, and those threads had the same weird profanity filters as everything else
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No,seriously. ... let alone the "social justice movement" in general is pro-pedo?
Well, why don't we just go back over the last 7 years, and we can start with the leftwing outlets that fall all over themselves in the defense of child drag queens getting cash by adults jamming it down their clothing. To the screeching social media mob that self-identifies as social justice advocates about how empowering and great it is. From there we can move on to the actual pedos who were in government rewriting sex-ed programs, that promoted sex toys for kids in grade 5. And the leftwing press, and
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It’s a mechanism by which people can tag images hey do not agree with and have them removed. It is called cancel culture and something SJWs use in their toolbox of mechanisms by which they silence their opponents. I would fully expect this policy to encroach upon images that would not fall into the category of pornography. 1984 here we come!
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Can you show me on this doll where the SJW hurt you?
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It does require a forum that has a tagging mechanism and is quick to does delete reported content. In other words, it is run by a company that is already infiltrated by SJWs. Because censoring stuff is far from certain to help the financial side, see Tumblr's outcome:
https://www.themarysue.com/tumblr-traffic-post-nsfw-ban/ [themarysue.com]
Personally, I noticed Slashdot does at least some censoring these days and the forum has become a bit boring. As a consequence, my interest has waned somewhat. I'm still reading and postin
Or it could just be when I'm browsing a site (Score:2)
Also, Poe's law.
Re: Fundamentalist morals put us all at risk. (Score:4, Insightful)
From my own "research", a lot of porn on the internet it is seemingly posted without the copyright holders permission or in case of amateur, without at least one of the participants knowledge or approval. Hosting this content is of course a huge commercial risk, especially in the case of so called "revenge porn", which now in many jurisdictions is a criminal offence.
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-1, offtopic
You can still post any picture there you could before and will be hosted on someone else's dime. What doesn't happen is showing your picture to someone that you did not spend a minimum positive effort to direct to that picture. Your picture doesn't even get labeled as "NSFW".
Your "zOMG 1st amendmentz!!1!" screed is even less relevant that most.
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Did you miss the part about "WORK?"
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And for those of us that work(ed) in a porno shop? Is that still NSFW?
That's what's hilarious about that catch-all term, it implies no businesses exist in which this kind of content is work-safe. But wrong!
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And for those of us that work(ed) in a porno shop? Is that still NSFW?
That's what's hilarious about that catch-all term, it implies no businesses exist in which this kind of content is work-safe. But wrong!
It's still NSFW. You're supposed to be selling shit.
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These sites generate a lot of traffic and need revenue. It's difficult to attract big advertisers when you're content is homemade porn. As always the bottom line is money.
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It's difficult to attract big advertisers when you're content is homemade porn. As always the bottom line is money.
and yet... every porn site, both top notch and basement swill, has advertising.
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There are two kinds of ad networks. There's the ones run by Google, which generally carry the "normal" kind of ads that pay reasonably well and are generally well regulated.
Then there are the ones that will advertise on shadier sites - the fake download buttons, the ones that knowingly install malware or miner scrip
Re: Fundamentalist morals put us all at risk. (Score:2)
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The problem is that people don't like to fuck that much, and society's pendulum is always swinging between overstating the worth of sex and understating it.
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People like to fuck, eat, sleep, breathe, love and fuck some more.
Indeed. People also like to ensure their kids don't see fucking, loving or more fucking while they are browsing the imgur pages.
The only ones who have a problem with that, are the ones who immediately associate it with horrible sick fuck things.
At least all your posts on Slashdot display the same complete ignorance.
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Most of their users come there for the memes. Just like every search engine defaults to safe search mode and every email service defaults to spam filtering, they want to offer a safe-for-work/school/living-room experience that encourages people to visit the site without fear of being hit with something embarrassing or that will get them into trouble.
If you want that to change then you should go talk to the feminists who have been trying to de-sexualize women's boobs for decades. It's an uphill, long term ba
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If you want that to change then you should go talk to the feminists who have been trying to de-sexualize women's boobs for decades. It's an uphill, long term battle to say the least.
It's an idiotic, misguided battle to say the least. It's counterproductive to general progress, because it demonizes sexuality. That was the parent post's whole point! Desexualizing the breast is a fool's errand at best when the goal should be un-demonizing sexuality — which attempts to desexualize the breast work directly against.
However, that's not Imgur's job, is it? That's ours.
The other problem is that some Reddit communities post revenge porn, or at least porn that infringes copyright. I bet a significant proportion of the DMCA notices they receive are for Reddit related stuff. That costs them money to process for very little in return.
Yes, this is a purely economic decision, and it's probably the only logical one.
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It doesn't demonize sexuality, you have misunderstood that. It's just pointing out that in some cultures breasts are not sexual, and women don't need to cover them any more than men do. Therefore the sexualisation is not some biological thing, it's social and not only prevents women being topless when men can be, it also requires them to wear a bra much of the time, and makes breast feeding controversial.
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It doesn't demonize sexuality, you have misunderstood that.
No, it is very much you who are misunderstanding the results of these actions.
It's just pointing out that in some cultures breasts are not sexual,
Breasts are sexual everywhere that women's pleasure matters, because so many women respond sexually to breast stimulation.
and women don't need to cover them any more than men do. Therefore the sexualisation is not some biological thing, it's social and not only prevents women being topless when men can be, it also requires them to wear a bra much of the time, and makes breast feeding controversial.
No, it absolutely does not do that. Demonizing sexuality does that. I really can't understand how you can fail to comprehend this. Sexualization does NOT force covering up, demonization of sexuality does. Without the demonization of sexuality, there would be no need to cover them. Nudists manage to walk around
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Men find having their nipples stimulated enjoyable too you know.
Anyway, merely displaying breasts is not an invitation to touch them, any more than men going topless is an invitation to touch their nipples.
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Men find having their nipples stimulated enjoyable too you know.
Men's breasts are not at issue, and I specifically avoided mentioning them both because we're talking about women right now, and because I wasn't trying to get people thinking about my hairy tits.
Anyway, merely displaying breasts is not an invitation to touch them, any more than men going topless is an invitation to touch their nipples.
Anyway, that's not any kind of response to anything I said, since I never suggested otherwise.
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Your argument is Hegellian: you are automatically glorifying current morals as the best morals.
That's why humanity is gleefully sliding into a rot.
Because of nihilists like you. People who do not give a shit about society and believe in that simplistic values and simplistic rules about binary interactions "do not do to others what you do not want for yourself" is enough for society to exist.
You are C-grader, like Jake from Two and a Half Men, thinking that humanity can just slide by with your imbecilic rul
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Dude, take your meds.
Progressive morals (Score:1)
Porn is the least of it... Try pointing out an obvious fact on Imgur, that one's sex is determined by the chromosomes rather than "self-identification" — and that anyone born with a penis, who claims to be a female is delusional by definition [princeton.edu] — and see your that comment deleted in minutes and your account banned.
That's not a valid argument. We've all seen excrement too — still, it'd be unpleasant to see it on a coworker's desktop, while returning to your
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That just takes user data in and displays it later as expected by the user and other users?
Fast, easy, simple and ready. Then discussion/news aggregation/review sites can have their users show image and video content.
Like the internet always did when it was great fun.
Design a part of the internet for users to actually upload and download with again.
Something like what the usenet was able to do for all...
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But is it webscale? Does it do TypeRxScript with NoSQL? Does it have an Electron app? Without that I don't think this Usenet thing will ever catch on.
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The applications then showed the lists of new content with a nice GUI ready to read, save, comment on..
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How quickly people forget.
Back in the day ISPs/universities only carried a selection of Usenet groups. Often the alt.binaries.* ones would be unavailable, or at least alt.binaries.adult.*. If you wanted full, unrestricted access then you had to pay.
Imgur is a free service. If you pay for image hosting you can put up whatever porn you like. It's exactly the same as how it was back in the Usenet glory days.
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UCSC had a full USENET feed, or at least as close as one gets, back when I had an account there. And later when I first had cable from @home (RIP) it came with a Dejanews account, and they carried all that stuff too.
But USENET doesn't scale. A USENET of today would necessarily be extremely fragmented, which eliminates much of the utility, and makes it look very different.
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Reddit’s biggest problem isn’t that they’ve shown fringe shit the door, it’s the groupthink mentality encouraged by their moderation system.
It inevitably turns every thread into a circle jerk, because most people don’t understand that modding down should be reserved for posts that add nothing to a discussion, not simply because you disagree with what was written.
It’s living proof why representative democracy is required, because most people lack the self control to remain
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not simply because you disagree with what was written.
Or who wrote it. Some people downvote others simply because they don't like the person. That the actual content was relevant and insightful is immaterial.
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We see the same thing here despite how small Slashdot is compared to Reddit. Just think of the reactions to anything said by Creimer, SuperKendall etc.
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Itâ(TM)s living proof why representative democracy is required, because most people lack the self control to remain impartial.
How many times has the electoral college disagreed with the popular vote? What kind of shitheels did we get as president on those occasions? Why do you think that's a good thing?
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That's as much due to a broken system. Your experimental system has evolved in unintended ways. The electoral college was actually a fail safe to avoid Presidents like Trump rather then reflect the will of the people, now it reflects the will of the people in a much too unfinegrained way. Congress was supposed to reflect the will of the people with a Representative covering a few 10,000's of people and the States and be a check on a bad President and the Judiciary was supposed to be independent, not party a
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That's as much due to a broken system. Your experimental system has evolved in unintended ways. The electoral college was actually a fail safe to avoid Presidents like Trump rather then reflect the will of the people,
Bullshit. It was a fail safe to make sure that the white men in power in this country could continue to get elected. It was actually a fail safe to make sure we would get presidents like Trump.
There's tuning that could be done if there was the will but you have a powerful minority who believes it is their right to rule.
And they are specifically empowered by the electoral college.
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That's as much due to a broken system. Your experimental system has evolved in unintended ways. The electoral college was actually a fail safe to avoid Presidents like Trump rather then reflect the will of the people,
Bullshit. It was a fail safe to make sure that the white men in power in this country could continue to get elected. It was actually a fail safe to make sure we would get presidents like Trump.
I doubt that the idea on a non-white President was even considered as it was so far out of an idea. Read http://www.electoralcollegehis... [electoralc...istory.com] as it seems they did not want a corrupt populist controlled by foreign interests
There's tuning that could be done if there was the will but you have a powerful minority who believes it is their right to rule.
And they are specifically empowered by the electoral college.
Currently true, but imagine 4000+ electors mostly representing districts instead of States. Might work better.
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Reddit’s biggest problem isn’t that they’ve shown fringe shit the door, it’s the groupthink mentality encouraged by their moderation system.
Their moderation system is one of the absolute worst on the internet! It's first-past-the-post where the number of votes is limited to only the number of accounts you're willing to make, there are no "districts" for voting, and you can vote in every election that's held as many times as you've got the capacity for.
It actually rewards the trolls with the most amount of free time over everyone else on the site! FFS even wikipedia does a better job keeping shit in check, even if the mechanism is enabling keybo
Natural continuation of ongoing policies (Score:2)
So a few years ago, certain political forces started campaigns stating that "if you advertise on this site, it might end up on content that some of your users really don't like". The notion on itself is pretty absurd, as people were utterly used to the fact that advertisement was in no way an endorsement of content it was on. But with it being pushed massively in portions of mainstream media in US that agreed with getting certain people banned from mainstream, it caught on.
Fast forward to today where there
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What they're trying to stop is that content getting monetized however.
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The notion on itself is pretty absurd, as people were utterly used to the fact that advertisement was in no way an endorsement of content it was on.
That's basically the opposite of reality ever since advertising existed.
You want your brand associated with the things you choose to advertise with/on. You think it's a coincidence sports drinks want to associate with athletes?
You think advertisers buy advertising space at random? With no thought to what associations they are making?
How naive are you?
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I'm "naive enough" to have seen news and advertisements on dismembered bodies back in 2000s.
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Same/similar enough for me not to be able to tell the difference ads as on everything else in that time slot.
Because the phenomenon you are baselessly asserting to have been a long term trend is a very new one. It was given and understood that advertisement on content is not an endorsement on said content just a decade ago.
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>pretending to not understand references to evening news while also pretending to be an expert on how advertising works on visual broadcast media.
You can either understand how evening news works, or you can be ignorant of how it works. You can't be both at the same time. To make the absurd assertion to keep pushing, you just had to pretend to be both at the same time.
Frankly, as far as trolling goes, you're 6/10 at best. Work harder.
Seems reasonable (Score:3)
Seems pretty reasonable -- they apparently feel that enough of their customers (who I assume are advertisers, not end-users) are turned off by NSFW content that it's a bad business decision to keep the NSFW even if dropping it loses a few site visitors.
They are keeping existing NSFW content up, which is more than they needed to do.
If there's a business model for hosting NSFW content, then some other company can fill that void.
Even you are wrong! (Score:3)
"If there's a business model for hosting NSFW content, then some other company can fill that void."
Not only do existing uploads remain, but you can still upload new pictures and they don't have be tagged "NSFW'. They just have to be marked "hidden" so people only get it when you specifically link them to it... which how the reddits are using imgur anyway.
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"If there's a business model for hosting NSFW content, then some other company can fill that void."
There's a very strong model for that, as IMGR proves by existing as it is right now.
I don't see why someone could not just simply copy what they are at the moment, including hosting NSFW content.
The theory is the advertisers have trouble with NSFW content, but the dark secret of the internet is a LOT of advertisers are riding the coattails of all kinds of NSFW stuff, it's just not brought up. I do expect to s
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You replied to the wrong person. I didn't say that, I am quoting the OP.
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The issue is that the sites which host NSFW content have a lot of nasty, intrusive ads and abusive Javascript. People get pissed off when people post linked to them and it redirects to some cam site or something.
For that reason a lot of other image hosts are banned on many forums.
My guess is that it's because Imgur is much bigger and more financially sound, so doesn't have to do that kind of thing. Imgur lets you embed images directly even, which cuts off their revenue entirely.
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Reddit is internet cancer
Idiots posting on reddit are not worse than idiots posting on Slashdot.
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Creating a business model around hosting NSFW content is really, REALLY hard when payment processors like MasterCard, Visa, Paypal etc. shut down your accounts if you host NSFW content.
I guess they lose (Score:2)
The Internet's turning into cable TV (Score:2)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best solution to this is National Public Access. Create a public hosting site / system where video, images and text can be hosted so long as they're legal (e.g. no terrorism, child pornography, etc). Then anything taken down becomes an actual first amendment issue.
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Does no one realize anymore that you can download a web server and just host things yourself?
Or, is this just what happens when you have the majority of the people online using mobile devices, and they’ve all like “what’s a computer?”
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Actually the way many ISP's have things setup, most people can't really run servers for various reasons.
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I propose an alternative solution: Start using IPFS. It's immature currently, the devs are still working to improve performance and iron out the many, many bugs, but it has potential to be a really effective distributed storage technology. Insert a file at one node and it can be retrieved at any other.
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It's not even that... one website doesn't want to show nudie pics to people who are not looking for nudie pics.
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Imgur was heavily promoted by reddit as an image host. In fact, there are other image hosts out there which don't do anything but act as dumb dumps with direct links that you can't use, they're blacklisted by the sites automatic filter.
So what, exactly is imgur's mission? (Score:5, Interesting)
I no longer know the point of imgur to exist. I worry for anyone working there.
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So far every commenter is wrong (Score:5, Interesting)
Every comment I can see so far is acting like imgur won't let you upload NSFW pictures anymore. Those commenters are either illiterate or lying.
NSFW has to be tagged "hidden" so that people only come across it when you specifically link to it... like the reddits do anyway. They're not going to stop you from showing your pics to people that want to see them, only people that weren't asking for them in the first place.
You are not even required to label the content in any other way.
It was nice to be able to browse on Imgur though (Score:3)
You could browse imgur.com/r/n00dz directly and just get a stream of all the pics posted to reddit.com/r/n00dz without the extraneous stuff like comments and non-pic posts, if you just wanted the image feed. Not that it matters either way anyway, since Reddit's started hosting their own images a lot of the NSFW stuff is now local.
Bad news for internet research (Score:1)
Bad news for Putin's "internet research" thug hacker trolls. Couldn't happen to a sweeter bunch.
Moot point since... (Score:2)
Reddit hosts images directly now, the whole reason Imgur sprung into existence was Reddit didn't initially, but now you can just upload a pic to share without Imgur. I know Imgur has grown its own community but silly to not support adults who want to not be restricted like children in their interactions.
Other sites (Score:1)