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Tesla Shows Off Chinese-Made Model 3s Ahead of Shanghai Factory Start (arstechnica.com) 69

Work on Tesla's Shanghai factory, dubbed Gigafactory 3, is just about finished, and the company is weeks away from beginning large-scale manufacturing. Ars Technica reports: According to Bloomberg, Tesla chairman Robyn Denholm said last week that Tesla is waiting for manufacturing certification from local government. The company hopes that will happen before the end of the year. Tesla recently posted images of some of the first Chinese-made Model 3s on Weibo, a Chinese social media platform similar to Twitter. Tesla allowed Chinese reporters to take additional photos of the vehicle. There are a couple of obvious differences from the American model.

The back of the car has Chinese characters on the left and "Model 3" on the right. Like the cars Tesla is currently shipping to China, these new Model 3s also sport dual charging ports. One port is for the European Type 2 charging standard, while the other is for a Chinese charging standard. Tesla will initially use batteries from Panasonic in its Chinese-made cars, just as it does in the United States. Bloomberg recently reported that Tesla is negotiating a deal to start using batteries from Chinese battery maker CATL starting next year. Tesla is aiming to produce at least 1,000 vehicles per week at its Chinese factory before the end of the year. That could help Tesla achieve its overall goal to deliver at least 360,000 vehicles for the calendar year.

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Tesla Shows Off Chinese-Made Model 3s Ahead of Shanghai Factory Start

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  • by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Monday November 11, 2019 @08:53PM (#59405362)
    Forbes today reported that the factory is "almost on schedule" - meaning that it's AHEAD of schedule. I think it's the first time I've seen it used in this context.

    The whole thing is crazy - the factory was built starting from a green field (literally, a rice field) in less than a year. It would be interesting to compare it with the European factory once its location is confirmed.
    • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Monday November 11, 2019 @09:11PM (#59405400) Homepage Journal

      Forbes today reported that the factory is "almost on schedule" - meaning that it's AHEAD of schedule. I think it's the first time I've seen it used in this context.

      Given Tesla's history, if it is on schedule, it's anywhere from months to years ahead of when anybody actually expected it to be done, so saying it's ahead of schedule... maybe it's a typo, and they meant to type "almost a miracle"?

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Or maybe years and year behind, like their "full self driving" that's been sold since 2016 and missed the original 2017 target date, and is now scheduled for 2020 last time I checked.

        Or like the $35k Model 3 that was simply cancelled. Tesla target dates and timeframes are basically meaningless.

    • That's because the Chinese don't care about safety or anything else.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Not unusual in China, they build things very quickly because they don't have the same environment and safety protections that the West does. Not just regarding the construction, but even the design of the building e.g. number of fire escapes and type of fire safety equipment installed.

  • Tesla achievements: (Score:5, Informative)

    by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) on Monday November 11, 2019 @09:34PM (#59405442) Homepage
    Tesla achievements:

    8 “Impossible” Goals Tesla Achieved [cleantechnica.com] (Oct. 14, 2018)

    7 Things [people said] Tesla Couldn’t Do [cleantechnica.com] (Oct. 19, 2019)

    7 More Things Tesla "Couldn't" Achieve [cleantechnica.com] (Oct. 21, 2019)
  • ... as a Chinese rip-off named Telsa.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday November 11, 2019 @09:49PM (#59405466)
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    • China is bigger than UK EU and US combined and invests more on energy as well. We'll all be switching to their standard eventually.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      LOL at China supposedly having to follow US or EU standards when they sell more electric vehicles than anyone else in the world.
    • by AvitarX ( 172628 )

      Did Tesla switch to CCS in the US?

      I thought they still uses their proprietary one here.

    • It doesn't matter much as long as it's more or less consistent across each continent. If China wants to use their own sucky connector, that's their problem. But car manufacturers thus far seem to have no problems accommodating different charging ports on their vehicles.

      I just wish that Tesla would open up their charging network to others, now that they are switching to CCS in Europe.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      China is leading the world in electric vehicle development and deployment. One of the reasons they created their own charging standard is that they couldn't wait for CCS to catch up to their needs... The same as Tesla and their proprietary system.

      CHAdeMO was because Nissan was the first to be selling affordable EVs and deploying a major network. At the time CCS was shit anyway - CHAdeMO was simple and robust and it wasn't uncommon to find CCS cars unable to charge while the same charger would work with a Le

    • 2018 total EV sales by country:
      - China 1.256 million
      - Europe 406 thousand
      - USA 361 thousand

      Yep there were more electrical vehicles sold in China in the past year than in the greatest other markets in the world. There are more vehicles cumulative owned in China than those two markets as well which in effect means the GB/T standard is actually the one that is *most* popular based on vehicle sales.

      I'm also guessing you've never heard of BYD. Last year it was still the biggest electric passenger vehicle produce

  • I don't care for cars that track your every move.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    China steals IP and clones the Model 3?

    • China steals IP and clones the Model 3?

      They don't need a factory in China to do that. At least this way Tesla has a head start over the cloners.

      And... in case you hadn't noticed, you need massive investment to be able to make these. It's not going to be done in a tiny sweatshop like all the stuff you're wearing/using.

    • China steals IP and clones the Model 3?

      How do you steal something that's available for free?

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Elon Musk should stop helping China build its car industry.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )
      He's from South Africa, genius.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      His stated goal was to convert the world to electric. China is a part of it.
    • by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @02:46AM (#59405934) Homepage

      Elon Musk should stop helping China build its car industry.

      And you should stop thinking in terms of "them" vs. "us". Do you know how stupid that concept is?

      • by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @06:00AM (#59406132)

        Elon Musk should stop helping China build its car industry.

        And you should stop thinking in terms of "them" vs. "us". Do you know how stupid that concept is?

        I'm as against the "us v. them" mentality as the next guy but the Trumkins to have a bit of a point when it comes to China. We may disagree abut methods but the Chinese have access to our free markets, our rule of law, our patent systems, etc. A Chinese company that patents something in the US/EU gets treated like an US/EU company. If you try to patent something in China the government drags its feet for years beyond the waiting time that is normal for a Chinese company to get a patent cleared. In the mean time your Chinese competitors are free to copy/reverse engineer your stuff, produce knockoffs that vary in quality from quite good to horrible, such that by the time your Chinese patent finally clears it is useless and this is by design. The Chinese are allowed to invest their money freely in the west but just you try to penetrate the Chinese market where local companies are fiercely protected by the government from foreign investors. If China wants to be a player in international trade it has to play nice, and if that means that Huawei, Xiaomi or any other national pride emblems may come into the majority ownership of foreigners like some western companies are already owned by Chinese investors then so be it. Also, their aggressive use of their intelligence services to steal IP has to stop. I know everybody spies on everybody but the Chinese have taken things to extremes in that department. Another issue is that you sink enough money into China you stand a good chance of losing all of it if you happen to utter the wrong things about the treatment of Uyghurs or Falun Gong in China, the Tibet occupation, Hong Kong protests, ... the list goes on. This is one reason I'd either stay the hell out of China or severely limit Chinese investor's access to western markets as long as they continue to basically crack down on and effectively ruin foreign investors the instant these say something the Chinese government does not like. It's not my favorite choice since I favour free trade but it is probably preferable to adopting the attitude: if they can do this so can we , and start some asinine game of tit for tat cracking down on investors just trying to do business. Finally, there is the subject of rampant corruption within the Chinese Communist Party but that is topic all to itself.

        • Ummm Tesla opened their patent portfolio for everyone to use.

          • Ummm Tesla opened their patent portfolio for everyone to use.

            And everybody else who holds a patent did that too? Is Huawei allowing all of their competitors free access to the their key 5G patents?

            • by lcam ( 848192 )

              Of course some companies don't release their IP, rather they try to milk them for profit.

              You just can't be taken seriously saying that Tesla was betrayed or that their IP was stolen when:

              1. They released all the patents for everyone, and
              2. Their goal as a company is to accelerate the onset of electric vehicles.

              China is actually helping them with their company goal.

              • Of course some companies don't release their IP, rather they try to milk them for profit.

                You just can't be taken seriously saying that Tesla was betrayed or that their IP was stolen when:

                1. They released all the patents for everyone, and 2. Their goal as a company is to accelerate the onset of electric vehicles.

                China is actually helping them with their company goal.

                My accusation of IP theft by China was general and not limited to Tesla alone.

                • by lcam ( 848192 )

                  Fair enough.

                  I think it's also a fair point to say that industrial espionage is not exclusive to the Chinese.

                  • Fair enough.

                    I think it's also a fair point to say that industrial espionage is not exclusive to the Chinese.

                    I appreciate that you are trying to minimise China's catalog of shenanigans at every step but as I pointed out, they practice industrial espionage a whole heck of a lot more than others and they do so primarily with massive state assistance.

          • by vipvop ( 34876 )

            lol look at the actual details of how they "opened" their portfolio, then you'll see why literally NO ONE was dumb enough to take them up on that offer

            • by lcam ( 848192 )

              The engineering is the hard part. Thus you can also then say:

              LOL look at the actual details of how they "opened" their portfolio, then you'll see why literally NO ONE was _smart_ enough to take them up on that offer.

              The thing is China is "people rich" the amount of smart people they can throw at solving problems is incredible.

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  • by MancunianMaskMan ( 701642 ) on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @03:16AM (#59405980)
    in case someone wonders whart the chinese characters actually say: TESLA. I just asked a colleague in Taiwan though it seems obvious in hindsight
  • ......like a house on fire.
  • At a time when western business is leaving China in droves...

    Can't wait for those cheap TISLA cars! It'll be like Tesla without the quality control... so just like a real Tesla! :D
  • New Chinese electric car-maker Tesra opens its doors with backing from the Communist Party, selling shockingly familiar looking cars at half the price Musk sells them for.

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