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'Why I Voted To Sell .ORG' (circleid.com) 70

Richard Barnes, Member of the Internet Society Board of Trustees, writes: I joined the board's unanimous decision to, sell the Public Interest Registry (PIR), the registry for the .org top-level domain, to Ethos Capital. Since this transaction has gotten some attention, I'd like to speak a little about why, in my estimation, this deal is a good one for the Internet. It basically comes down to two things: 1. The Internet Society does great work protecting the Internet and bringing it to the people who need it most -- work that is way more impactful than leasing domain names. This transaction secures that work's future and independence. 2. Ethos is a worthy successor to the Internet Society as the steward of .org.

There's no doubt that .org has a big impact on the online brand and identity of nonprofits. But the impact of the Internet Society is much broader than that. For those who might be unfamiliar with the Internet Society, our mission is as follows: 1. The Internet Society supports and promotes the development of the Internet as a global technical infrastructure, a resource to enrich people's lives, and a force for good in society. 2. Our work aligns with our goals for the Internet to be open, globally-connected, secure, and trustworthy. We seek collaboration with all who share these goals. [...] This transaction will put that bigger mission on a solid footing -- so that the Internet Society can provide much more substantive help to nonprofits than merely leasing domain names, and with more continuity over time. While it's true that running .org provided a relatively steady income stream, it effectively staked most of our revenue on a single business, and required a certain amount of our resources to be spent managing that business, distracting from the broader mission. Especially as PIR has grown over time, this situation has become increasingly untenable. Establishing a more diverse portfolio of investments will allow us to have more predictable revenue over time, and to take a longer-range perspective when it comes to achieving our mission.

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  • Ethos claims they will "only" raise rates by 10% annually. Will they be the first profit-making corporation ever to actually keep their promise?

    • by thesupraman ( 179040 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @04:20PM (#59467586)

      Appears to be along the lines of 'I wanted to make sure my position of power was well secured, and if that means you rabble down in the trenches have to suffer more, than so be it. I am far FAR more important, so stop complaining!'

      These people who consider themselves 'internet royalty' really need to stop pretending they are still doing great things. Their contributions in the past have been (for some of them) massive, and should not be forgotten, however this decision is exactly THE OPPOSITE of what they claim to be aiming for.

    • Raising rates 10% a year means rates double every ten years.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Per Wigren ( 5315 )

        Raising rates 10% a year means rates double every ten years.

        I think you forgot your middle school maths. Raising 10% per year would make it almost 2.6 times the rate after 10 years. (1.1 ^ 10 = 2.59374...) For it to double after 10 years you only need to raise it about 7.2% per year (1.072 ^ 10 = 2.004231...)

        • You don't have enough information from the summary to determine that.

          It's not actually specified whether they mean compound interest or a set increase per year of 10% of the 2019 prices.

    • Re:Time will tell (Score:5, Interesting)

      by fred6666 ( 4718031 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @05:36PM (#59467794)

      10% per year is theft. It should actually decrease by 10% per year, given new technology gets cheaper and faster.

      • Pretty sure 10% is way beyond the rate of inflation, too.

        Infinite growth is possible, kids!

    • about this blurb is that the guy says that it was making money for the internet society but that it was BAD that it was making money for the internet society because they weren't getting money from other places. ..so they traded it for a payoff today and have no steady income source at all and thats somehow better for them.

      10% is way beyond inflation anyways. and .org is already an expensive domain. 10% yearly I reckon would make it the most expensive domain in a really short time. .org is already all abou

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        • I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about. .com was never restricted to business only. Hell, you used to be able to get .com domains for private use *FOR FREE*. I helped my buddy build a pokemon fan site back in 1998, with shitty Tripod hosting, and a freely aquired .com name. pokejoe.com
    • He says in his excuses that they will - Make .org domain names "accessible and reasonably priced for all", including limiting price increases to no more than 10% per year - and he puts that forward as a good thing for everyone.

      The explanation is probably that his salary has been rising at much more than 10% a year while he hasn't been doing any more, so he's lost touch with what inflation and reality actually are and thinks such rises are appropriate.

  • by OneHundredAndTen ( 1523865 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @04:17PM (#59467580)
    People usually have two reasons to justify something: a good reason, and the real reason. He's given us a good reason.
    • by gtall ( 79522 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @04:21PM (#59467598)

      He's not even given a good reason. There was nothing stopping them from branching out if the current .org was supplying a steady income. His reason is no better than "we wanted to change things because we're bored."

    • The buyer, at least, and probably the Internet Society, thinks they that can MORE money by having .org. But that's putting all of your eggs on one basket. By selling it now, they can invest in multiple different income streams, which will give them more reliable income long-term, though probably less overall.

  • This scum (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    This scum deserves a painful death.

    Death threats aren't my thing. I'm not going to threaten to kill him, I'm not going to suggest anyone else should.

    But if anyone deserves a long, drawn out death from anal cancer, with repeated rounds of failed chemotherapy making him vomit all over himself and then go into brief remission, only to be followed by more painful reoccurence and far more pain, it's this shitbag.

    And then he should decide to end it by blowing himself up, but fail with burns over 90% of his body.

  • All Bet's Are Off (Score:4, Informative)

    by ConaxConax ( 1886430 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @04:38PM (#59467648)

    What are the odds he'll retire to a board membership place at Ethos?

  • Money.
  • He's lying. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ludux ( 6308946 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @04:48PM (#59467674)
    $$$$$$$$$$$ Quite literally, he sold out. That's all this is.
    • Came to say the same, they sold out plain and simple. He gets paid to 'help the internet'. Org gets to pay more. Dick wins, I lose.
  • Blah Blah Blah money blah blah blah

    It's always the same. Every single time.

  • Didn't slashdot sell out for a lot of money as well? Hypocrite much?
  • by MikeDataLink ( 536925 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @05:09PM (#59467732) Homepage Journal

    If a non-profit sells who gets the money? The board of directors are overseers and do not own the organization.

    So where did the money go?????

    • Into the organization's bank account(s). Organizations can -- and almost always do -- have accounts separate from the accounts of the people on the board.
    • the non-profit apparently did other stuff than managing .org. So they get a big amount of money, one time, which should help them do that other stuff. I am sure it's good for them. But it's bad for me and others .org owners.

    • by Strider- ( 39683 )

      I don't agree with this sale (I think that the base registries should all be non-profit, but then I'm a raging socialist), but non-profits can use this kind of sale to do good. The amateur radio group that previously owned all of the 44/8 subnet (AMPRNet) sold off a significant portion of their /8 to Amazon. They were given the /8 back when subnets were given out freely. The monies raised from the sale of the subnets has gone into a trust fund to fund new projects, and get more people interested in digital

  • by Herr von Bierdackel ( 6418690 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @05:36PM (#59467796)
    Many of the problems with DNS are the result of mixing something that looks like a directory with the technical function of providing a layer of indirection above IP addresses.

    One of the most successful top level domains is .de, the country code top level domain of Germany. It is run by a cooperative of hundreds of service providers who all want easy automation, minimal administrative friction, and also to keep costs down. If people chose domain names based on the authorities which operate them, I'm sure Verisign (.com, .net) and PIR (.org) would lose most of their customers to DENIC (.de), but of course people care more about the names then about the authorities behind the names. It doesn't matter that you can get .de domains for less than $2 a year: Can't have an American business with a .de domain.

    These functions should be separated. There should be a free and decentralized layer of indirection that enables functional equivalents to dynamic DNS, SRV records, load balancing and other technical aspects that deal with abstracting from IP addresses. Then there should be separate naming authorities which would primarily manage name spaces.
  • by Pinky's Brain ( 1158667 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @05:40PM (#59467806)

    I know you throw IETF a 3 Million pittance while you gobble up 18 Million in salaries, but other than that what concretely do we all get out of that?

    I don't mind you rolled into an organization which managed to gobble up the .org monopoly and use it to enrich yourselves and just shut up about it ... but if you want to get on a high horse your organization needs a little more transparency.

    Lets start with what do you earn mr. Barnes?

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    • People will kill each other over $50. People like Dick have no morals.

    • by pjt33 ( 739471 )

      There's no doubt that .org has a big impact on the online brand and identity of nonprofits.

      WTF does this even mean?

      It means that non-profits are royally screwed by the sale because they will have to weigh the pain of paying rapidly rising registration fees against the pain of migrating to a different TLD.

  • This was an insider sale. You are an asshole, Dick.

  • Wow that was a long letter just to avoid saying "Ethos bribed all our asses and we decided to sell out".

    10% a year increases for something that costs fractions of a penny per domain per year to manage and which should get cheaper over time.

    Fuck these rent-seeking assholes.

  • by loufoque ( 1400831 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @06:48PM (#59467946)

    Why would some random organization that doesn't even manage part of the Internet infrastructure be relevant at all when it comes to defining what the Internet is?

    The Internet Society just became the Barnes Society.

  • So... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Luthair ( 847766 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @07:26PM (#59467990)
    If someone gives a non-profit an orphanage to operate, is it cool to kick out the kids and sell the building to a condo developer? I mean, it could do something else with the money right?
  • Right. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I worked with Richard for a few years. He's seriously a really smart dude. But he's also going to do whatever it takes to advance his career and make money, that includes anything that isn't exactly ethical. There is no doubt in my mind that it's one of these moves.

  • So, basically... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Waccoon ( 1186667 ) on Thursday November 28, 2019 @10:14PM (#59468234)

    1) We're great because we said so.
    2) They're great because we said so.

    Come on, dude. Even by PR standards these reasons are embarrassing.

  • are a worthy successor to the Internet Society as the steward of .org.

    Oh, really?

    Piss off.

  • If Ethos has no intention to raise prices by more than 10%/year, what was with the pre-sale rush to eliminate the rule limiting price increases to 10%/year? Why on Earth should anyone believe this is a promise they will keep if they (evidently) pushed to ensure there was no rule requiring them to do so?
  • if you're making money on it... you're not diverting YOUR resources to run it... just part of its own proceeds.

  • As a founding member (2008) of the SFBayISOC chapter I have worked (along with many many others) to build world-wide chapter based support of the goals of ISOC in the hope that ISOC would be a reliable super-national organization worthy of "running the Internet". Sadly, I have watched over the years as more and more centrist management of ISOC has listened less and less to the interests and concerns of the world-wide chapters and members. The purchase of the .org registry (announced to the members the sa

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