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Facebook's Libra Cryptocurrency Project Has Failed in its Current Form, says Swiss President (cnbc.com) 43

An anonymous reader quotes Reuters' reports on some more bad news for the Geneva-based Libra Association: Facebook's Libra project has failed in its current form and needs reworking to be approved, said the president of Switzerland where the cryptocurrency is seeking regulatory consent. "I don't think (Libra has a chance in its current form), because central banks will not accept the basket of currencies underpinning it," Ueli Maurer, who is Switzerland's finance minister and outgoing president, told Swiss broadcaster SRF.

"The project, in this form, has thus failed," he added in an interview.

Libra did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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Facebook's Libra Cryptocurrency Project Has Failed in its Current Form, says Swiss President

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  • by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:44PM (#59565006)

    They lost me at "facebook".

  • We must stop with the word: cryptocurrency. This word is meaningless, decentralization, in this field, was a one-time event. Everything begins with Bitcoin and end with Bitcoin.

    https://medium.com/@jimmysong/... [medium.com]
    https://www.whatbitcoindid.com... [whatbitcoindid.com]
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitco... [reddit.com]
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by ron_ivi ( 607351 )

      Why?

      Bitcoin's technologically lacking in a few ways.

      Monero's signficantly better from a privacy point of view; and is more resistant to ASCI mining.

      I'm all for people creating technologically better cryptocurrencies.

      But totally agree Libra's not one of them.

      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by soundbtc ( 6312548 )
        Jimmy Song explains everything .

        In the specific case of Monero. Monero can't scale at the the Bitcoin level, the transaction size is too huge. The value of Bitcoin is a consequence of the scarcity of Bitcoin. Monero was found to be too buggy, and too experimental to be taken seriously on the scarcity side. If you look at the exchanges, you will find out, that nobody uses Monero.

        ASIC resistance is absurd. If you know the Altcoins world, this is where the scammers thrive. As explained by Jimmy Song everyt
        • by Anonymous Coward

          Technically no one uses bitcoin either, as a currency. Only as a vehicle for speculation and money laundering.

          • In a world where the Gold Standard is over; You will find a lot of people interested by the properties of Bitcoin.

            You just have to look at the Gresham's law (bad money drives out good), and you will find out why you will never use something like Bitcoin first, as a medium of exchange.
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Bitcoin does not scale, In fact it is pretty much already extremely sluggish at the current, relatively low transaction numbers. It will grind to a halt if it ever becomes stable enough again to have any use as a currency. I doubt that will happen. The only thing keeping alive is those with Bitcoins hoping they can scam enough others into it to get rid of their bad investment. The "greater fool" theory these people follow does need those other greater fools after all.

          • This is not Bitcoin that can't scale; You will have the same issue with all databases. This is the reason why a lot of work on Bitcoin is now on layers: With Lightning and Liquid...

            As explained above, the decentralization is very important, and can't be undermined. Without decentralization the whole system is just a classical database managed by a few people => useless and worthless (as a better Gold).
            • by gweihir ( 88907 )

              Nope. The decentralized design of Bitcoin is defective in a way that prevents it from scaling. Of course, decentralized databases can scale, but you need to design them right.

              • Bitcoin can scale very well.

                We must go back to basics here. The Bitcoin's blocksize is limited, so the data you can insert every day is capped. This is not an issue, we have the same relationship between Central Banks and banks. A Central Bank (Bitcoin) doesn't have to record every transaction a Bank generates. Bitcoin plays the same role as a Central Bank, and a software layer, like Lightning, the same role as a Bank.
          • Bitcoin is still alive for two reasons: Bitcoin is a better Gold, and nobody can't kill it (If you understand why Libra will be censored, you will understand why Bitcoin is protected against censorship).
            • by gweihir ( 88907 )

              a) Bitcoin is far, far worse than gold in any aspect except physical storage size. The comparison is so mismatched that it is utterly ludicrous.
              b) Killing Bitcoin is easy: Just outlaw Bitcoin possession and then go after all that operate miners, which is blatantly obvious on network layer.

              • a) You have a lot of issues when you use a metal like Gold. Gold alone is scarce, but Gold is often available as alloys (Jewels...), or Bars can be falsified with Tungsten (~same density as Gold). As a simple user, you don't have the equipment to check the quantity of Gold with accuracy.

                The Gold Standard was killed https://medium.com/@festina_le... [medium.com] The Gold Standard requires to trust a third party, until the third party can't be trusted anymore (1971).

                b) China/India did it. Is Bitcoin killed? No. A Coun
                • by gweihir ( 88907 )

                  Well, if you are _stupid_, your arguments make sense. If not, they are so obviously contrived and wrong, it is staggering.

    • Who is the Troll playing with moderation? Someone is explaining what cryptocurrency means!
    • We must stop with the word: cryptocurrency. This word is meaningless, decentralization, in this field, was a one-time event. Everything begins with Bitcoin and end with Bitcoin.

      https://medium.com/@jimmysong/... [medium.com]
      https://www.whatbitcoindid.com... [whatbitcoindid.com]
      https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitco... [reddit.com]

      This text is important.

  • They now have Facebook Pay [slashdot.org] which is the same thing but without the crypto speculation.
    • Personally I'm waiting for the Facebook 5G-enabled buttplug and GPS receiver, with Zuck's picture printed right on it, so I can have Facebook literally up my ass all day every day! <3 <3 <3 </extreme_sardonic_sarcasm>
  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:14PM (#59565084)

    What's he got to do with anything?

    (Aren't a lot of European Heads-of-State just ceremonial, non political figureheads?)

    • Re:Swiss President (Score:4, Informative)

      by bsolar ( 1176767 ) on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:46PM (#59565158)

      In Switzerland the President has only ceremonial functions, but the role is taken in turns by one of the 7 members of the Federal Council which are the equivalent of ministers.

      Ueli Maurer is President, but also at the head of the Federal Department of Finance, so he's basically Minister of Finance and likely giving the declaration about the cryptocurrency under that role.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Not in Switzerland. This guy is the finance minister as well (the presidency rotates among the ministers) and he was actually speaking as that.

  • Or maybe Planet Facebook? Planet Zuckerberg?
    I'm beginning to think that Zuck (which rhymes with 'yuck!', by the way) is a megalomaniac-in-progress.
    Remember that episode of The Orville where they visited that planet where 'social media' met a turboed-on-steroids version of Chinas' 'social credit score'? Their entire society was run by 'social media', to the point where the 'court of public opinion' could get you detained and put to death.
    Is that what Zuck wants to do? Turn Earth into Planet Zuck? Zuckworl
  • How's that grand plan to rule the world working out eh?

    The sooner Facebook and the like are closed down the better for humanity.

  • If your cryptocurrency needs to be "approved" by existing central banks, you failed before even getting started.

  • Was in talking with government or caring about it's opinion in the first place. If news hadn't leaked out about it a year in advance Gov would've had to suck it up like with Uber/Lyft. You wondered what all that negative Facebook news was really about?
    • by bsolar ( 1176767 )
      Uber/Lyft are not illegal, or at best are in a grey area. Operating a payment system in Switzerland without the required license is definitely illegal. This is the reason Libra applied for such license but apparently don't conform to the requirements needed to obtain it.
  • What could go wrong ??? lolol

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