Did America Steal Its Space Force Logo From 'Star Trek'? (slashgear.com) 157
On Friday America's commander-in-chief revealed the logo for the newest branch of its military, Space Force. CNBC immediately reported that the logo "has boldly gone where Star Trek has gone before."
The Pentagon and White House did not immediately respond to CNBC's query as to why the Space Force and Star Trek logos -- both with blue globes, white stars, and swooshed rings around a sleek space ship -- looked similar.
"The U.S. government took a thing from a TV show and made it the official emblem of a branch of the military, " tweeted a culture writer for the New York Times.
But conservative national security commentator John Noonan argued it looks more like the logo for America's Air Force Space Command (founded in 1982). "So the Air Force originally stole the Star Trek logo?" someone asked him on Twitter -- prompting this wry reply.
"Well, that was certainly the joke we made 15 years ago."
But it may actually be the other way around. One Star Trek fan site claims that the Starfleet logo never even appeared on the original Star Trek or Star Trek: The Next Generation series, and wasn't created until after the Air Force's logo, during the fourth season of Deep Space Nine (around 1996), by American graphic designer Mike Okuda: In the Star Trek Sticker Book, on the cover of which the logo of Starfleet Command is shown at a large size, Mike Okuda writes, "The Starfleet Command seal was first seen in 'Homefront' (Deep Space 9) and later in 'In the Flesh' (Voyager), although the agency itself, of course, dates back to the original Star Trek series.
"The symbol was intended to be somewhat reminiscent of the NASA emblem."
"The U.S. government took a thing from a TV show and made it the official emblem of a branch of the military, " tweeted a culture writer for the New York Times.
But conservative national security commentator John Noonan argued it looks more like the logo for America's Air Force Space Command (founded in 1982). "So the Air Force originally stole the Star Trek logo?" someone asked him on Twitter -- prompting this wry reply.
"Well, that was certainly the joke we made 15 years ago."
But it may actually be the other way around. One Star Trek fan site claims that the Starfleet logo never even appeared on the original Star Trek or Star Trek: The Next Generation series, and wasn't created until after the Air Force's logo, during the fourth season of Deep Space Nine (around 1996), by American graphic designer Mike Okuda: In the Star Trek Sticker Book, on the cover of which the logo of Starfleet Command is shown at a large size, Mike Okuda writes, "The Starfleet Command seal was first seen in 'Homefront' (Deep Space 9) and later in 'In the Flesh' (Voyager), although the agency itself, of course, dates back to the original Star Trek series.
"The symbol was intended to be somewhat reminiscent of the NASA emblem."
Not stealing, homage (Score:5, Insightful)
You are a designer chosen to build a logo for Space Force (or whatever).
Honestly how do you NOT give at least a nod to Star Trek in the design for a logo? Yes this is more than nod, but honestly how is it not cool that they are borrowing so heavily from classic fiction to build a real world military force in space?
It's not like that Star Trek logo had no influence from NASA.
Court of Federal Claims (Score:3)
Honestly how do you NOT give at least a nod to Star Trek in the design for a logo?
It depends on to what extent "The logo must not cause a major SF entertainment publisher to have grounds for suing the United States in the Court of Federal Claims" was part of the requirements for the logo. Star Trek copyright and trademark owner ViacomCBS's corporate predecessors weren't that accepting of the "homage" argument in the Axanar case.
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Re: Court of Federal Claims (Score:3)
The US government is not bound by copyright. They have executive immunity against lawsuits on civil issues such as copyright and patents, if the federal government gets sued, they can choose whether or not to litigate the case or just claim immunity.
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The first ship named enterprise is several hundred years old, so its probably not a good idea to attempt to claim you own the name enterprise for a ship.
Re:Court of Federal Claims (Score:5, Interesting)
The first shuttle (that never went into orbit) was named Enterprise after the TV show, and NASA weren't sued.
Ehh, it's the other way round: the TV show reused a traditional US Navy ship name (remember it was called the USS Enterprise). There were many [wikipedia.org] ships named USS Enterprise in the US Navy, ever since the US was a country: the first one was a captured British schooner, all the way back in 1775 [wikipedia.org].
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The difference is that nobody was selling authorized military memorabilia that said "Star Wars," it was just a colloquialism. Here, it is going on uniform patches and doubtless other items that are of the exact same nature as some of the entertainment memorabilia.
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Maybe Lucas should have tried going after Ted Kennedy.
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So who's gonna tell Trump his shiny new Space Force logo is a homage to a bunch of space communists? :-p
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You know, I'm not sure what sort of economic system Star Trek had, but maybe it's the right way forward. Not Socialism, as all the businesses we saw were privately owned, and not very regulated, at least at the Federal level (think about what Orion slave girls imply). And yet we never saw a mega-corporation either, at least not out at the fringes (presumably building military warships is a very large business).
Post-scarcity return to small businesses and local manufacture? Central government not caring m
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You know, I'm not sure what sort of economic system Star Trek had, but maybe it's the right way forward. Not Socialism, as all the businesses we saw were privately owned, and not very regulated
The only (Federation) businesses in the show were a coffee shop in San Francisco, a bistro in New Orleans and the Picard vineyard. We don't see enough of any of them to judge how tightly regulated they are; it's extremely unlikely that the programme makers even thought about it.
...at least at the Federal level (think about what Orion slave girls imply).
Orion wasn't a member of the Federation. (There's actually a good episode of Star Trek Continues [vimeo.com] that brings this issue to the fore.)
And yet we never saw a mega-corporation either, at least not out at the fringes (presumably building military warships is a very large business).
Actually there are a few mega-corps mentioned - by way of an Easter egg [nocookie.net] - in DS9 (it includes Divad
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Even in a post-scarcity world there are still things that people will value/desire enough to trade for.
Absolutely! That's why there will always be jobs, even when all the basics are provided effectively free. But that baseline is a change in kind.
Deep Space Nine is a Bajoran station, and they aren't part of the Federation.
Heh, federation military is occupying it. That's the facts, The rest is political lies.
A waiter in Café Sisko or whatever it's called doesn't get paid they might be compensated with hand-prepared meals from a locally famous chef, or they may simply do it because they enjoy it.
No one's working as a barrista because they like it. And the very reason we have money is to mediate barter! Sure, the money might be spent on that meal, but there will be some ledger somewhere to keep track of some sort of credits. It's just too awkward otherwise. Plus th
How is it not cool? (Score:2)
{H]ow is it not cool that they are borrowing so heavily from classic fiction to build a real world military force in space?
Well, during the Cold War, the US and USSR agreed that space was not to be militarized. So forgetting that even during a conflict whose end was widely feared to be nuclear annihilation, humans agreed that space would be off limits for weapons and battle. The moon would belong to everyone, much like Antarctica, and space would not become a military theater of operation.
Your use of the phrase "real world military force" suggests that Starfleet is a fictional military force, which was explicitly not the case.
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You are a designer chosen to build a logo for Space Force (or whatever).
Honestly how do you NOT give at least a nod to Star Trek in the design for a logo? Yes this is more than nod, but honestly how is it not cool that they are borrowing so heavily from classic fiction to build a real world military force in space?
It's not like that Star Trek logo had no influence from NASA.
Seeing it is a military unit, it probably would have been more appropriate to base it on the logo for the Terran Empire.
Not stealing (Score:4, Insightful)
And besides, how can it be "stealing" if Star Trek still has their own copy? Didn't we establish this 20 years ago [slashdot.org], when Napster was all the rage?
Re: Not stealing, homage (Score:2)
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You are a designer chosen to build a logo for Space Force (or whatever).
Honestly how do you NOT give at least a nod to Star Trek in the design for a logo?
I think you'll find that Chevron is a reference to Masonic symbolism. It's is all through NASA, Star Trek and most other space agencies of the world if you look at their emblems you will find some variation on the chevron theme. It's no surprise that the US Space Force chose it, it would have been more surprising if they didn't.
Also Buzz Aldrin was a 33rd level Mason and references to their work is throughout many NASA artifacts.
Re: Not stealing, homage (Score:2)
As long as Air Force don't owe anything in licensing to the showbiz guys... Knowing how things are governed over there, that might have actually been the intended outcome
Re: Not stealing, homage (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: Not stealing, homage (Score:2)
Shhh. Most people don't like being reminded that the Coast Guard is part of the military. If you wanna really freak them out, remind them that there are parts of the US where your local search & rescue teams are part of the military. And then there's the minor fact that the Navy is useful when a place gets hit by a natural disaster, what with the fact that they're mobile platforms that can be anchored offshore...and there are outright floating hospitals in the Navy.
Besides, I suspect that we can gener
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Long before we meet any aliens, the military will have to deal with an asteroidal threat. We might as well have a branch tasked with improving our ability to find and neutralize such things. Had Chelyabinsk 2013 been a direct hit, it could have killed a million people.
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Long before we meet any aliens, the military will have to create an asteroidal threat.
Fixed that for you. The whole point of a space force is to do stuff like steer asteroids and drop stuff from the sky onto your enemies. Like nuclear bombs but no radiation. No muss. No fuss. The perfect weapons. Just read Anathem if you haven't already. The next arms race will be with something like tungsten or depleted uranium space rods rather than nukes.
China will be launching a mission in 2 years to intercept 99942 Apophis [wikipedia.org] long before its 31000 km close approach to Earth in 2029. That's the kind of thin
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Not all Military Branches are focused on killing people. The Coast Guard is a good example.
They don't guard the coast with rainbows and unicorns, that's for sure.
Some time visit a city hosting Fleet Week and take a tour of a Coast Guard vessel.
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At this point in time the Coast Guard is actually part of the DOT. It becomes attached to the Navy in times of declared war. I think WW2 was the last actual declared war by Congress. Cost Guard people go through Navy boot camp but then go on to guard the coast or whatever. I was Navy, my brother was Coast Guard.
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How is that true here? (Score:2)
it's very not cool. Unlike sci-fi, this is a branch of the military, whose primary purpose is killing people.
A) Primary purpose is protection/monitoring, not attack. Indeed, the modern military is a close as you'll find on this earth to Starfleet.
B) Huge amount of use of modern military is in aid - aid from natural disasters for example, where the military can bring a floating city just offshore of a region hit by a Tsunami. Are you saying tens of thousands should die for every large scale disaster just b
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Not the US military. Huge amount of use of modern military is in aid - aid from natural disasters for example,
Again, not the US military.
Aliens are bad! That's anti-Star Trek. (Score:3, Insightful)
[The use of Star Trek's logo is] very not cool. Unlike sci-fi, this is a branch of the military, whose primary purpose is killing people.
The negative mods are obvious "I disagree" censorship, so I'm quoting your comment, even though I think it's rather misdirected. Even if I had a mod point, I could only give it an interesting.
Historical note is that Star Fleet was a quite military organization, even though its primary purpose was not killing people, or even killing aliens. There's no doubt in my mind that Roddenberry thought the Pax Americana was a good thing.
However the part that is disgusting me is that Star Trek's main idea was that alie
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Absolutely. We should just spend enough to defend the country. You may not be aware, but the US has been in the process of invading and occupying sovereign countries non-stop for almost two full decades, now.
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You may not be aware, but the US has been in the process of invading and occupying sovereign countries non-stop for almost two full decades, now.
I think it started with Vietnam. Admittedly, over many centuries, when two great powers don't want to fight each other directly, they fight in Vietnam, so it is sort of traditional, but you'd think we'd have learned our lesson.
But Clinton, Bush, and Obama were all very gung-ho on keeping troops in foreign countries. Not sure why. "Invading", sure, sometimes it's in Americas interest to shove a gun into some dictators spider hole, show the region who the big dog is. Fine. But occupying? Hard to see the
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So you will be pulling all your troops out of Iraq and leaving all the oil alone then?
You'll stop trying to foment war with other countries in the region with oil like Iran and Syria and go fight the evil terrorists in Mali who have overrun two thirds of the country? Oh yeah, Mali doesn't have any oil. Or is perhaps the real reason you are even there in the first place is not to fight terrorists, but to get at the oil?
You hear on the news that some US g
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So you will be pulling all your troops out of Iraq and leaving all the oil alone then?
We pulled almost all of them out under Obama. That's why Iraq collapsed into chaos and is now an Iranian puppet state. But not to blame Obama, I think it was never going to be stable, and would have collapsed whenever we pulled out. We never wanted the oil directly, just some stability in the region. Not sure it's any better or worse for our efforts, the region is pretty fucked regardless.
You'll stop trying to foment war with other countries in the region with oil like Iran and Syria
Syria? So you support ISIS, and think they were fine to be left in charge? I support the limited engagement we had in Syria simply on humanitarian grounds. And we've done fuck-all to Iran, beyond send them a few hundred million dollars for some reason, and droning the occasional asshole. Bush was right about Iran, the best thing we can do is let their own people decide they're tired of theocracy.
I don't see how you imagine we're somehow .. taking oil? Like, loading it up on takers and such? The world doesn't work that way. Syria hasn't had it's own government for many years now, ISIS was followed by Iranian and Russian meddling. But I don't see the point in being there, after ISIS has (mostly) collapsed. America doesn't need foreign oil any longer, anyhow. We have plenty of our own.
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Last I heard, the French had a fairly sizeable force in Mali fighting terrorists. The U.S. isn't the only terrorist-fighting force in the world.
Secondly, the U.S. is now a net exporter of oil. The reason the U.S. is guarding the oil fields in Syria is because various bad actors tend to use them as funding sources.
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It's just amusing. This shit doesn't even move the needle, all things considered.
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It's a completely rip off, everything about it is the same.
If this was Chinese you wouldn't stand for it, you would be calling it a knock-off and raging about how they steal everything.
I'm just amazed this got past basic checks, I mean don't they have lawyers ensuring that they aren't blatantly infringing other people's copyright and trademarks?
The "delta" has been used by the military dating back to the 1940's and first used in Air Force emblems in 1961 [military.com]. Also, the orbit component was part of the NASA logo [wikipedia.org] and pre-dates TOS. Other fun fact, Gene Roddenberry was an Army Air Forces pilot in WWII. So who borrowed from who again? hrm....
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Why the low score? That IS a good (funny) question.
Let's blame Trump again.... (Score:5, Insightful)
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I did not know that Trump was influential in the Reagan Administration, when the idea for an independent agency to handle all space assets was first proposed! Thanks for telling me about his early political career, previously kept secret from the entire world, including Trump.
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That was over 30 years ago. It never happened, because it was a bad idea.
Every country that has a space program has military operations in space. But the primary focus of military space operations is terrestrial. Taking space operations away from the military branches that actually use them is just going to add a layer of bureaucracy and interservice friction.
Military operations have been part of space efforts since *before* the beginning. But it has been discreet and for good reason. Nobody, up until n
Re:Let's blame Trump again.... (Score:5, Informative)
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They still report to the Secretary of the Air Force, just like the Space Command did before it. Same command structure, same commanders just new logos and uniforms. It's all about raising the PR profile of stuff we were doing anyway, which as I said is a bad idea.
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Actually, it's about central responsibility.
Previously, while the Air Force controlled some satellites, they were not responsible for all of them. In truth, they still aren't - NASA gets most of the civilian ones - but I'm going to talk about the military/intelligence ones here. The Air Force ran many of them, but the NSA ran a bunch, too. The NGA had some, and the NRO had a bunch. The Army controlled some, and the Navy had some. Some belonged to one agency, but were run by another - the Army may pay f
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Well, we'll see if things actually run more smoothly.
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They still report to the Secretary of the Air Force, just like the Space Command did before it. Same command structure, same commanders just new logos and uniforms. It's all about raising the PR profile of stuff we were doing anyway, which as I said is a bad idea.
They won't have the same commanders, just the civilian secretary. And the plan is to eventually transition them to their own department under the DoD, separating them from the Air Force completely. They will have their own member of the joint chiefs (similar to the Marine Corp) and the entire chain will be Space Force officers. More importantly, they will have their own budget, and won't be fighting the AF for budget dollars when the AF brass (mostly former pilots) want to spend their budgets on shiny new
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If interservice rivalry is a problem, I fail to see how creating another service helps.
This Space Force business was created in an *authorization* bill That's part of the whole belt-and-suspenders procedure Congress uses to control Executive Branch spending, and note carefully it comes *after* budgeting. In this case there was no budget for anything new, so it appears they took the Air Force Space Command and drew a line around it on the org chart.
Arguably this is the least disruptive way to conjure a new
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Personally I would love to see a space arms race. If anything can finally give us a reason to really move into space in a serious way with permanent lunar bases and Lagrange stations it would be that. It is what got us to the moon in the first place. Not idealism, but military competition.
Whatever country has military space superiority will be top dog on this planet. Anti-aircraft weapons don't work against orbiting spacecraft or asteroid military bases. With a powerful and effective space force with a larg
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I cannot believe Trump ever had an original idea, certainly not a space force. He's was probably watch Star Trek and then decided the U.S. should have one too, i.e., a Star Trek series with DoD running the show so he could turn on the telly and bask in the warm glow of his ego.
Re: Let's blame Trump again.... (Score:2)
because he's the one who had the whole idiotic idea for a "Space Force" to begin with.
I see Trump as a lot of things. An "idea guy" isn't one of them.
more like patch from first shuttle launch (Score:3)
ST:TOS and ST:TMP predated AFSC and STS (Score:2)
The original series of Star Trek aired for three seasons in the 1960s. Star Trek: The Motion Picture was produced after the original series became popular in syndicated repeats and released in 1979. AFSC was established in 1982, also the year of the first operational STS (Space Shuttle) flight and the release of The Wrath of Khan.
Which Starfleet insignia appear in the original series and ST: TMP?
Re:ST:TOS and ST:TMP predated AFSC and STS (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmmm. It appears that all we had in Star Trek originally were the emblems on the uniform which are quite different from the patch. Here is an excellent article on the uniform patches and pins. [startrek.com]
Of course, NASA and the Apollo program both predate the original Star Trek. The above-mentioned article links the starfleet chevron to the NASA astronaut pin, but I think this example of the chevron [startrek.com] really, really looks like a stylized version of "A" for Apollo crossed up with the star element of the NASA astronaut pin.
In any case, it appears that all of these emblems owe homage to NASA and its programs in the early 60s prior to Star Trek.
Re:ST:TOS and ST:TMP predated AFSC and STS (Score:5, Insightful)
No on is arguing the Star Fleet delta wasn't a thing back in TMP days and back in TOS. But the actual Star Fleet Command logo that everyone is comparing the space force logo to, didn't show up until DS9.
But any way you cut it, Roddenberry borrowed the delta logo from other sources way back then, including military sources. So as silly as the space force is, I don't think we can argue they stole it from Star Trek. Homage maybe. Star Trek certainly didn't invent it. China's space agency has a very similar logo to the space force. As does Russia.
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The delta logo was in the TOS pilot, i.e. right from the very first moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
The influence would have been 50s sci-fi pulp (it's kind of like a stylized 50s rocket ship, which is in turn based on the shape of the German V2).
Then you have the Starfleet Command logo from TNG:
https://www.goodfon.com/wallpa... [goodfon.com]
So the final logo on which the new Space Force one is based is a combination of the original delta logo and the Starfleet Command logo. I guess it was created for field perso
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None of that matters, designing something to give homage to something else is legit.
What matters is when the new logo was made, was it close enough to existing trademarks to cause confusion in the memorabilia market.
Re:more like patch from first shuttle launch (Score:5, Insightful)
Whoops, maybe not fiction in the 60s. This Apollo program patch [twimg.com] hints that the featured chevron could be a highly stylized form of the "A" on the Apollo patch predating all of the above.
Re: more like patch from first shuttle launch (Score:2)
The Space Shuttle Enterprise was named for the TV show one, kid.
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But what was the TV show one named after?
Gene Roddenberry was an Air Force bomber pilot (Score:2)
Re:Gene Roddenberry was an Air Force bomber pilot (Score:4, Insightful)
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If you wanted to make "defense dept" sound competent, you would have them ask "Isn't that copyrighted?" The noun is "copyright", not "copywrite".
(Never mind that it's more a matter of trademark than copyright---you dumb, ignorant screenwriter.)
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Damn, better hope he doesn't see Stargate SG-1 or he'll want one of those too.
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LOL no, he'd be completely triggered by all that SJW stuff they were always doing.
He'd probably try to order a nuclear strike on Egypt to kill Daniel Jackson.
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They should have done it sooner, whiney feeley pain in the ass. He killed the show in the end, I still can't stand to watch the last couple seasons.
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Exactly my point, Trumpers are triggered by smart people.
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You gave the dots to the wrong speaker.
Re: im sure theres a reasonable explanation. (Score:2)
Yeah, I don't think Trump watches much Star Trek depicting those commie liberals not having money.
The triangle (Score:2)
It's supposed to represent a rocket and space flight. But yes, it does look like the Starfleet logo.
Let the battle begin! (Score:2)
Not to worry (Score:2)
When this polarized nation inevitably whipsaws its leadership in the opposite direction from Trump, most everything he did including this space force thing are going to be annuled.
If they don't outright disband it, they'll probably change its logo to look like the clunky 1970s NASA logo, pare it down to a couple of low-level staff members, and then reassign it to be a subsidiary of the New Hampshire National Guard.
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There's no putting the new pollution and greenhouse gases back in the toothpaste tube that Trump is squeezing them out of. The people harmed by his policies won't become unharmed. Somehow the health of Americans is for sale with this alleged administration. Who will they sue after they get sick and those bozos have left office? He's even screwing with the school lunch program, I presume he thinks kids do not need decent nutrition. There's no annuling that.
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When the seesaw goes the other way and it's another republican president the space force will just get reinstated and continue it's 5 year mission (you were wondering why the mission was so short) to destroy strange new worlds and rod other cultures into submission. I think the space force is pretty much the only thing Trump has done that I actually agree with. Seems like a clever way to skim some of that nearly infinite military funding toward space exploration and development.
What a bunch of whiners! (Score:3, Insightful)
Waah waaah! OMG do you need your binkie? Baby needs his paci? Need your stuffie? You bunch are *WORSE* than the Vietnam protesters!
It's a military outfit. Certain themes have been in the USAF visual language since the beginning. That "starfleet" looking thing? It's a delta wing. You know, like the type of paper plane called a "dart." It's very common in USAF heraldry. Been using it forever.
I have my favorites. The Pocket Rocket is one -- the Missile badge. The guys who sit in silos waiting for the order get to wear that one, as do the folks that fix 'em. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Oh hell, here's the original Space Command badge, when it was a USAF MAJCOM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] This is vintage 1982, you understand..
I *love* this one, but it will undoubtedly upset our oh-so-delicate-snowflakes: https://emapatches.com/eriks-m... [emapatches.com]
And of course, also the ones about doing solid good, like risking it all to go pick up a downed pilot: old California ANG air/sea rescue patch: http://usafrescue.blogspot.com... [blogspot.com]
And this one always makes me tear up a bit: So That Others May Live. These guys, the para-rescue, they never have to buy their own drinks, anywhere they go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] I tried joining that bunch. The physical I could almost tolerate, but I frankly didn't have the mental fortitude at that time I tried to hack the mental challenges. I can't think of a more respected outfit in the USAF than PJs.
If you people are so offended by our military, then fucking LEAVE, go to some country that doesn't have one. You never speak up, you pansies, when you see 5 Lockheed C-5s stocked to the fucking rafters with food and supplies, landing at a cracked-up airfield after a hurricane or earthquake flattens a place not 24 hrs after the event. No, you only ridicule us when in your so-easily-offended-eyes we "wrong" someone.
You know, you can enlist, or go into the officer corps, and do something fucking useful with your life instead of bemoaning how violent we are as a nation.
Nations are born from war, war is violent and bloody -- get used to it, because I foresee tons of it in this decade alone, both within our borders, and out there in the world.
Toughen up, you pansies!
DGAF if you mod me into oblivion. It's bloody obvious tons read /. at -whatever.
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I'm going to keep complaining about how violent our nation is. I think that it is the very definition of something useful to do with my life, thanks.
Toughen up, you pansies!
Get a brain, morans!
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It is the duty of the American military to prevent genocides elsewhere, to prevent human rights violations, to provide law and order while an occupied country is social-engineered towards democracy, to enforce a humane balance of power in every world region.
The idea that the American military might retreat back to within its own borders, and be employed only to deal with direct military threats to America sounds bizarrely radical. Ending this wound endanger the exportations of an important ideology (e.g. de
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Didn't see much "protection" happening during the Rwanda genocide.
Mali is currently overrun with ISIS etc. don't see the US there either.
Zimbabwe had a tyrant ruling there FOR EVER and the US did nothing but slap on some sanctions which hurt the poor more than anyone.
And after WWII America does the sa
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I'm going to keep complaining about how violent our nation is. I think that it is the very definition of something useful to do with my life, thanks.
In the USA, you have the freedom to do just that.
You are welcome.
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Just not ALL of America.
Free speech zones [wikipedia.org]
But hey, don't let reality pop the bubble you are living in or anything.
* Assasination of US citizens
* Indefinite detention
* Arbitary justice
* Warrantless searches
* Secret courts with secret evidence
* Snowden and Assange hiding because they told the truth.
The list goes on and one, but my personal favourite...
* Most people locked up in prison cells in the WHOLE WORLD! Even beats South Africa. Just shows you how capitalism and private prison
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Most modern countries (i.e., not Russia) can walk and chew gum at the same time. That said, the space force isn't entirely stupid, creating a separate branch of the military for it is stupid. But then Trump isn't the brightest light on the tree.
Lego Space Logo (Score:2)
It also kinda looks like a cross between the old Lego Space logo and Star Trek insignia
Meanwhile (Score:2)
The DOD can counter sue on behalf of the Navy.
Star Trek stole the name Enterprise.
The WWII carrier predates all Star Trek.
puh-lease (Score:2)
The logo is obviously based on the ship design of asteroids and therefore stolen from Atari.
Short answer, yes. (Score:2)
Loooooonnnng answer is also yes. Just look at it.
If they're not idiots.... (Score:2)
...the Star Trek IP owners will ABSOLUTELY endorse this and enthusiastically support it, hell, I'd even encourage the US to just go all out and take the Star Trek logo.
The UFP has to start somewhere.
"The symbol was intended to be somewhat ... (Score:3)
"... reminiscent of the NASA emblem."
While contracting at NASA/Ames in the '80s. I never heard the classic NASA logo called the "meatball". The new logo was called the "worm" and the original was called the "vector" logo. At least that's what the NASA personnel in the Navigation and Guidance Division I was working with called it. My guess: the PR people consulted by the web site designer don't know what a vector is.
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Why did they copy the regular logo? (Score:4, Interesting)
Considering what's going on nowadays I thought they would have copied the mirror universe one.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals... [pinimg.com]
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Klingons could be like Vulcans
Romulans offshoot of Vulcans that join Klingon Empire
And the Vulcans could be like the Borg and have force assimilation camps using mind-melds.
Finally figured out the arrow in NASA's original (Score:3)
Stand it upright on its two tail points and I think you have your first shield-chevron. Pre-dating the Air Force Space Command [wikipedia.org], pre-dating Apollo [nasa.gov], pre-dating Star Trek, pre-dataing U.S. military space operations, and pre-dating NASA (it's from when they were still NACA).
The word is copy not steal. (Score:2)
I am sick of the media industry getting away with having propagated the meme that copying something is stealing.
It is not stealing, it's copyright infringement or in this case trademark infringement or design infringement or whatever - a civil issue, not a crime - theft is a crime.
Theft deprives the owner of the thing being stolen, copying something does not deprive the owner of that thing, can I be any clearer?
The logo was on the uniform shirts ... (Score:2)
... of the original Star Trek. Just google images from Captain Kirk.
Yes, and it's Glorious ! (Score:2)
Where can I buy real-world Starfleet merch?
No (Score:2)
Betteridge's Law of Headlines
Disneyland, Universal Studios, anything for CBS? (Score:3)
They all may as well be living in Disneyland
With the sale of Paramount Parks to Cedar Fair in 2006, does Star Trek owner ViacomCBS even have a presence in theme parks as a counterpart to Disneyland and Universal Studios?