Uber Officially Bans Drivers From Carrying Firearms, But Company's Business Model Prevents Enforcement (theatlantic.com) 206
A reader shares a report from The Atlantic, written by Sidney Fussell: Uber has banned guns in cars, for both drivers and passengers, since 2015. But over email and Facebook Messenger, four current and four former drivers told me they carry firearms on the job. In explaining why, they each cited the same self-determinalist rhetoric Uber has slapped on subway ads to entice drivers and used in hearings to justify the business model: Drivers maintain good ratings, own their own cars, set their own hours, act as their own bosses, and follow local laws. But ultimately, they work for themselves, and Uber is, to use a Silicon Valley term of art, just a platform.
In 2017, Jose Mejia, a Miami driver, filed a federal class-action suit against Uber to reverse its firearm ban. Florida's 2008 "bring your gun to work" law empowers employees to store legal firearms in personal lockers or their own cars. With Uber, of course, the car is the workplace. Mejia claimed that Uber policy violated Florida law and, citing an incident in which an Uber driver with a concealed-carry license shot and disarmed a Chicago gunman, argued that arming Uber drivers could save lives. But Mejia couldn't prove that Uber violated his rights: He hadn't been fired or threatened with suspension. The company had announced a ban, yes, but never materially stopped him from carrying a firearm. The Florida court dismissed the suit (PDF) without prejudice in 2018. Here we have a uniquely American absurdity: Drivers can carry guns to work, to a bar, to a supermarket, but not in their own cars while using the app to transport passengers. Like Mejia, they exist in this space between name and effect, adherent to a ban with little practical enforcement.
In 2017, Jose Mejia, a Miami driver, filed a federal class-action suit against Uber to reverse its firearm ban. Florida's 2008 "bring your gun to work" law empowers employees to store legal firearms in personal lockers or their own cars. With Uber, of course, the car is the workplace. Mejia claimed that Uber policy violated Florida law and, citing an incident in which an Uber driver with a concealed-carry license shot and disarmed a Chicago gunman, argued that arming Uber drivers could save lives. But Mejia couldn't prove that Uber violated his rights: He hadn't been fired or threatened with suspension. The company had announced a ban, yes, but never materially stopped him from carrying a firearm. The Florida court dismissed the suit (PDF) without prejudice in 2018. Here we have a uniquely American absurdity: Drivers can carry guns to work, to a bar, to a supermarket, but not in their own cars while using the app to transport passengers. Like Mejia, they exist in this space between name and effect, adherent to a ban with little practical enforcement.
A nation of gun nuts (Score:2)
In the interests of public health & safety, how could it be illegal to ban guns from the workplace?
I bet it makes sacking a disgruntled employee a rather terse & volatile situation. Do they get the cops to come in when they do it?
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Because the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right guaranteed by the Constitution. It was explicitly intended to keep military weapons in civilian hands, not to allow employers to force people to leave them at home.
Re: A nation of gun nuts (Score:2)
Our office policy requires concealed carry. Open carry just creates office drama. Out of sight, out of mind.
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Sounds reasonable to me. I'm not against taking away guns from people who have proven that they have poor impulse control, either.
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That's the opposite of what I said, but froth away, I guess.
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It was explicitly intended to keep military weapons in civilian hands, not to allow employers to force people to leave them at home.
Well that's a new one. Not even the most creative of "originalists" argue that the Second Amendment has anything to do with employment.
Apart from soldiers and farmers (i.e. where it was needed for work), did any of the framers of the Bill of Rights ever take a gun to work?
Military aged able bodied male citizens in militia (Score:2)
Apart from soldiers and farmers (i.e. where it was needed for work), did any of the framers of the Bill of Rights ever take a gun to work?
No, they just defined the militia to be all able bodied males and in various states required militia members (ie all able bodied males) to have a firearm. By the way, the former is still true. US Code states that all military aged able bodied male citizen are members of the federal militia. It then goes on to say that the federal militia has two parts. The organized, which is the National Guard, and the unorganized, which is everyone not in the National Guard.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.... [house.gov]
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It was explicitly intended to keep military weapons in civilian hands, not to allow employers to force people to leave them at home.
Well that's a new one. Not even the most creative of "originalists" argue that the Second Amendment has anything to do with employment.
Apart from soldiers and farmers (i.e. where it was needed for work), did any of the framers of the Bill of Rights ever take a gun to work?
Yes.
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Because the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right guaranteed by the Constitution. It was explicitly intended to keep military weapons in civilian hands, not to allow employers to force people to leave them at home.
Actually, it limits government’s ability act, and does not give government the right to dictate how one limits firearm access to their property. Your second amendments rights end at my property line, and I get to dictate who and what can be carried. Any law forcing someone to allow carrying on private property is unconstitutional.
as a side note, many gun shops where I live do not allow you to carry while shopping. I guess armed customers makes the armed clerks feel unsafe.
Re: A nation of gun nuts (Score:2)
. It was explicitly intended to keep military weapons in civilian hands
THIS!!!
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When a disgruntled employee is sacked and they resort to using a gun to seek revenge, no company policies or laws are going to stop them. The only place where I've ever seen effective control of this situation is working for an outfit that had armed security manning the gates. With orders to shoot to kill unauthorized persons seeking to gain entry.
Do they get the cops to come in when they do it?
And escort the ex-employee to the gate? Yes, sometimes. But unless cops are assigned to the site for a long term, the disgruntled employee just comes back later.
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In the interests of public health & safety, how could it be illegal to ban guns from the workplace?
I'm fine with a ban on weapons in the workplace, so long as there is strict enforcement.
You can have a no weapons policy at your workplace for the sake of safety, just like we do on commercial airplanes. If this is going to mean anything then the enforcement of the policy needs to be done just like it is done at an airport. That means people that enter will have to go through a metal detector and a pat down. Otherwise this is just a suggestion, which people would be free to ignore.
I bet it makes sacking a disgruntled employee a rather terse & volatile situation. Do they get the cops to come in when they do it?
Show me a case of a dis
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Re:A nation of gun nuts (Score:4, Insightful)
The risk is grossly exaggerated by the media, which loves to sensationalize any mass homicide event, and in particular shootings.
A lot of those homicides have nothing to do with being fired. People get mad at each other and kill each other all the time. But let's pretend all of them are in response to being fired.
So you're actually about 77x more likely to be killed in the course of your normal work, than due to a worker being fired (assuming all worker on worker homicides are due to being fired).
As another example of how the media mischaracterizes risk, an average of about 4 students are killed per year in random school shootings [nytimes.com] (202 deaths in 49 years). But about 40 students die each year due to complications from pregnancy [cdc.gov] (p. 3). In other words, teen pregnancy kills about 10x as many students as school shootings. When's the last time you saw a news report about the dangers of teen pregnancy, and how it's a scourge that must be ended?
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I agree with the gist of your post, but I would be interested to see what the breakdown is per year over those 49 years. 49 years is a long time and I don't know whether the overall trend is down or up.
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You want to see what a polite society looks like, look at Iran. Taarof is something else.
Seriously (Score:2)
You only just now figured that out? (Score:2)
Sorry, but one of my pet peeves is folks thinking that they can overthrow a gov't with guns. You'll run out of food and bullets. That'll leave you doing terrorism like those chaps in Afghanistan, mostly with the support of some foreign gov't that wants to cause trouble. The ruling class will still get all the good stuff and you'll be living off dry meat in a cave somewhere occasionally being killed by a drone or crushed by a bunker buster.
I gu
Re: You only just now figured that out? (Score:2)
Sorry, but one of my pet peeves is folks thinking that they can overthrow a gov't with guns.
Logic fails you: if firearms weren't serving as a deterrent to gov't behavior, the gov't wouldn't be so hell-bent to disarm us.
Your knowledge of history might well be impressive; your understanding of it is complete shit.
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Re: You only just now figured that out? (Score:2)
Did the Vietnamese have heavy artillery or air support? They won against an opponent who had both.
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Contract Law allows employers to ban firearms (Score:3)
Law of the land > corporate policy.
I am NOT a lawyer. I merely had one business law class in college, assume my professor lied and that I failed the class as well. Don't take my word or anyones else's, look this stuff up for yourself. Not on some dipshit's website (pro or anti) but on your state legislature's website or congress' website. That said ...
The law of the land also includes the recognition of contract law. You can give up personal rights and liberties in a contract with an employer. It is legal for an employment contract to say
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Contract Law allows parties to ban firearms (Score:2)
Wait, I thought "ride sharing" drivers weren't actually employed by Uber...
See, that's why I am *not* a lawyer, my sloppy word choices. :-)
OK, contract law allows one party to ban firearms of the other party in a designated area where the contract is in force.
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Wait, I thought "ride sharing" drivers weren't actually employed by Uber...
A contract doesn’t automatically make someone an employer.
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Modern corporate policy is surely to purchase the law of the land.
counter to this.... (Score:2)
In TX that will not fly saying can't have gun home (Score:2)
In TX that will not fly saying can't have gun in your home if you work from home.
When seconds count (Score:2)
Law enforcement is minutes away.
Every citizen should have the right to arm themselves when they are in their own vehicle. The 2nd amendment is the right to keep and /bear/ arms. That means to have them on your person.
The second amendment applies nationwide and supersedes all state and federal laws. It's only a matter of time until constitutional right to carry nationwide is recognized as the inherent right that it is. Nobody tries to claim that the other amendments are different based upon where you live, i
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There have been attempts to selectively apply the 1st Amendment's religious protections. "We're a christian state." The Supreme Court has very quickly slapped that shit down. I agree, eventually there will be a nationwide CCW law and my county can then kiss my ass. Where I live, you can only get a CCW if you have made large political campaign contributions to the right people.
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The second amendment applies nationwide and supersedes all state and federal laws. It's only a matter of time until constitutional right to carry nationwide is recognized as the inherent right that it is.
Or SCOTUS revisits what is meant by well regulated; a jurist who wants to look at the framers intent need only look at how firearms were regulated in terms of ability to carry, store ammunition, etc. post independence.
It all comes down to risk assesment ... (Score:2)
... self-defense vs a job.
Uber is not protected by penal code in any state. Passengers and drivers can carry, but they both agree to a possible ban if they do so.
The same predicament occurs for those who are licensed to carry and do so in a "gun-free" zone.
There will be a penalty if the po-po find out, but another outcome is to die in a place where the bad nasties expect everyone to be defenseless.
You takes yer chances.
Tell Me Again (Score:2)
Tell me again how Uber's employee policy stands against established law that protects employees and their right to carry firearms in their vehicles, and keep them there, to any employer.
Hell, tell me again how Uber's employee policy applies to the contractors they claim they hire.
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Religion is a protected group, as such we are not able to make commercial decisions based on another person's religion. That's the law as far as I know.
Gun ownership is not so protected.
Aside from that, I am fine with both drivers and riders disclosing their religion (or lack thereof) as well.
Re: Disclosure would be better (Score:2)
as such we are not able to make commercial decisions based on another person's religion
That sounds very unlikely to me. Are you really forbidden from avoiding a business establishment of a person whose religion you happen to know?
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Gun ownership is specifically protected by the 2nd amendment to the constitution of the United States. It is a right. Not a privilege. Not an option. A right.
One that does not apply to private companies. They should be free, just like private property owners, to decide any rules re gun possession. Any government regulations forcing an employer or property owner to allow carry infringes on their rights.
Re:Disclosure would be better (Score:4, Insightful)
Gun ownership is not so protected.
The 2nd Amendment would disagree with you.....
Re: Disclosure would be better (Score:5, Informative)
Gun ownership is not protected?? It literally the second protection after freedom of religion. Not go to school much??
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Or then again it might:
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>"You do NOT want to wind up at the wrong end of the barrel of a man who has road rage, or who thinks god is on his side, or who has always longed to be a hero"
Of course not. So explain how disarming good, legally-carrying people will help with that. You think it is better being unarmed when facing a nut job who has a gun? Because any such "gun control" will *ONLY* hurt the law-abiding in exactly that way.
As many as 2 *million* crimes are averted or stopped every year in the USA by those who legally h
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Re: Disclosure would be better (Score:2)
He brings his own pillow so he doesnt slobber sll over yours.
Re: Disclosure would be better (Score:2)
Except the uber driver after he was brutally raped. You honestly think people ride around giving rides for the opportunity to shoot someone? It really puts a damper on repeat business, or any business for that matter.
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Except the uber driver after he was brutally raped. You honestly think people ride around giving rides for the opportunity to shoot someone? It really puts a damper on repeat business, or any business for that matter.
Actually, it’d propably be an Uber driver that was shot instead of vice versa, based on Uber’s spastics;
The report covered the safety of both riders and drivers. Murder victims were drivers, passengers and third parties. In cases of rape, Uber said, 92 percent of the reported victims were riders. But drivers reported other types of sexual assaults at roughly the same rate as riders, Uber said.
The company was not specific about who the perpetrators were.
Uber said it had cataloged 2,936 sexual assaults in 2017 and 3,045 in 2018, ranging from unwanted kissing of what it called a “nonsexual body part” to attempted rape and rape. The largest category was nonconsensual touching of a “sexual body part” like someone’s mouth or genitals.
The number of fatal crashes related to Uber trips was 49 in 2017 and 58 in 2018. The statistics included accidents that occurred outside Uber vehicles, such as when a passenger was struck after exiting a ride, and crashes in which Uber drivers were not at fault.
Uber disclosed 10 murders in 2017 and nine in 2018. Seven victims were drivers, eight were passengers, and four were third parties, like bystanders outside the Uber vehicles, the company said.
Re: Disclosure would be better (Score:2)
People keep asking me all the time: Have you found Jesus? All the time.
How many times is this guy gonna get lost? Someone really ought to nail this guy down.
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People die in altercations that don't involve guns EVERY DAY. Literally.
The idea that no one would have died if no gun was involved is a dumb one.
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Don't want the Uber driver to shoot you? Don't try to rape him.
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>"Why not require drivers to disclose whether they carry a weapon "
Because that kinda creates a whole new category of "prey."
>"And let riders pick whether they prefer gun-carrying or non-gun-carrying drivers."
I see. So the good people who legally carry can be discriminated against, while at the same time, the bad people who will illegally carry and LIE ABOUT IT will be just fine. There is no logic to the belief that outlaws will obey rules. If they did, we wouldn't need to protect ourselves from th
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the bad people who will illegally carry
Violating company policy doesn't make anything illegal, nor does it make you a "bad person" - especially if the company policy flies in the face of actual legislation. The worst they can do is fire you, and even then you might have a case.
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>"Violating company policy doesn't make anything illegal, nor does it make you a "bad person" "
Well, that is, of course, true. But I wasn't implying otherwise, either. My point is that people who illegally carry are (by definition) not going to obey the law about guns, so believing those people regarding employment rules regarding guns is almost laughable.
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'The worst they can do is fire you,'
Except the company takes the stance that drivers aren't employees, in order to dodge financial responsibilities every company is mandated to cover. They can't have it both ways.
Fuck them..
Say what? (Score:2)
Why not require drivers to disclose whether they carry a weapon (and do so in the app, ahead of time). And let riders pick whether they prefer gun-carrying or non-gun-carrying drivers. That would be both more fair and allow riders to make educated choices.
So, if you're out looking to hurt someone, then you select an unarmed driver. It makes victim selection so much easier.
Statements like yours baffle me. Do you think the only dangerous people out there are law abiding citizens who own firearms? You do know there are real, actual people out there with evil in their hearts who look to do terrible things to others?
Owning a gun to protect yourself from such evil is a legitimate and even desirable thing. Some people are only kept in check by the prospect of an im
Re:Disclosure would be better (Score:5, Funny)
I would never ride with an unarmed Uber driver. How would he steer?
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I would never ride with an unarmed Uber driver. How would he steer?
Drive a Tesla?
Re: Disclosure would be better (Score:2)
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I do not put up stupid signs that say "This house protected by Smith and Wesson" on my house. That's advertising that I have something worth stealing. I also do not put firearm brand stickers on my car for the same reason.
The local gun store is also very careful to tell buyers picking up a firearm to not put the item in the car and come back in the store. Someone did that and their car was broken into. It was obvious someone was hanging around just for that moment. And this was in a good neighborhood w
Re: anti-disclosure should be the default state (Score:2)
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Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:3, Informative)
I've known 3 people that accidentally discharged their firearms. One in their home, one shot their truck, and the other shot themselves in the leg. Oh, and all 3 were Army veterans. Even law abiding citizens are still dangerous with guns. And I say that as someone who owns guns and has a concealed carry permit.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:5, Informative)
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:5, Informative)
There are somewhere around 2,000 to 3,000 unintentional shootings a year, according to the anti-gun site gunviolencearcive.org, resulting in fewer than 500 deaths last year.
So, congrats to Nidi62! He knows some very rare and special people... just not in a good way.
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Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:2, Insightful)
Nice try. You made that up. Esp if they were veterans. The gun doesnt discharge if you dont put your damn finger on the trigger. Im a veteran and have been carrying concealed for more than 25 years. Not once has my weapons discharged except when I intentionally pulled the trigger at what I was deliberately aiming at. And you claim not once but three separate friend? All vets? Bullshit. Your story reeks of lies. If you aren't lying it says more about the caliber of tour judgement in friends than anything. It
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Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:2)
Personally, that's why I never keep a round in the chamber. When I had a revolver i would keep the cylinder on an empty slot in case the gun fell or the hammer got snagged. Of course, I still always check before handling, just to be safe.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:5, Informative)
New guns use striker fire and internal safeties. They cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled. You can drop a glock a dozen times and it will not fire.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:2)
My safest gun is my Taurus pt-22. It has an external flip safety, the barrel can pop up, the slide locks without the magazine inserted, and it even has a built in lock/safety activated by Allen wrench. Literally 4 different safety mechanisms in a pistol smaller than your hand. Probably my least safe is my ruger lcp.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:3)
I can show you some videos showing that can be a very dangerous choice. FBI statistics show all attacks happen within 21 feet. Watch this video and consider several of his points. Then decide. Learning to draw without touching the trigger is essential.
https://youtu.be/jhTyG-8ShsQ [youtu.be]
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:2)
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:4, Informative)
Dude you need new friends. Thats completely shitty luck.
Btw Nobody shoots themselves cleaning a gun. Thats usually a cover story. Like walking into a door and getting a black eye. The very first thing you do when cleaning a gun is eject the magazine and clear the chamber. Then you field strip it, take the slide off, etc.
The obvious unwritten rule is: dont be drunk and decide now is a goos time to handle a firearm. It violates the rules of stupid. Dont do stupid things, in stupid places, at stupid times, with stupid people. Violate more than 2 at one time and things are not going to work out that well for you.
Seriously, the single most important rule ever is dont put your finger on the trigger until its time to shoot. And right up there with it is treat every firearm as if it was loaded.
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'The obvious unwritten rule is: dont be drunk and decide now is a goos time to handle a firearm. '
No shit. I always give the bartender my sidearm before shots.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:3)
"What'll it be?" asksvthe bartender.
"Shots for everyone!" replies the terrorist.
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The very first thing you do when cleaning a gun is eject the magazine and clear the chamber. Then you field strip it, take the slide off, etc.
Unfortunately, more than one Glock owner has gotten the first two steps backwards - they racked the slide, *then* dropped the magazine, which leaves one in the chamber. Given that you have to pull the trigger to remove the slide, the inevitable then happens. I'm not saying that it's not a dumb thing to do, but sometimes people get complacent.
I own two Glocks myself
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I dislike striker fire pistols in general. Having to pull the trigger to remove the slide is one of the reasons. I do own a striker fire pistol (Springfield XD) because I am an instructor and I decided I needed to be familiar with the type. It's my least favorite pistol.
Anyone who says "I thought it wasn't loaded" is an idiot who ignored rule #1 of firearm safety.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:2)
Not all of them work that way. The walther CCP (and others) are striker fire and dont require pulling the trigger. Walther often employs a fixed barrel, so the process involves pulling the slide partway back and then upward.
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I dislike striker fire pistols in general. Having to pull the trigger to remove the slide is one of the reasons.
Agreed, that's a dumb design, but not all striker-fired pistols work that way. I have 3 different ones, none of which requires pulling the trigger to tear down: Sig P320, Sig P365, M&P Shield
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Seriously, the single most important rule ever is dont put your finger on the trigger until its time to shoot. And right up there with it is treat every firearm as if it was loaded.
Along with never point a weapon at someone unless you intend to shoot them.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:3)
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You're full of shit... period. I've spent 25 of my 41 years around armed individuals and have been armed nearly every day of the last 20 years and have neither negligently discharged myself nor been around anyone who's negligently discharged their weapon but you just happen to personally know two veterans who managed 3 ND's between them as well as an Army officer who shot himself accidentally.
Bull.....Shit. FOH.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:2)
It's been about a year since my grandfather passed, and that happened about 3 or 4 years before that. He had started to get dementia, and after the second time my grandmother had to lock the gun cabinet and hide the key. As for the ex's roommate's boyfriend, he hit his shin. Had he hit his thigh, he could have hit an artery and been in real trouble. My college roommate/best man the National Guard Captain was, I believe, simply unloading his pistol.
The point is, people forget that guns are dangerous. If yo
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My grandfather was a korean war era vet, put 2 bullet holes in the floor of his house. The best man in my wedding is a National Guard Captain with 2 Iraq tours, put a .45 hole in his truck. The boyfriend of my ex girlfriend's roommate shot himself in the leg cleaning his pistol, I saw the scar. He had a medical degree and an Army commission.
You can’t fix stupid. Seriously, I, and many friends who also own firearms, know similar stories. A friend’s dad, a combat vet, killed himself pulling his shotgun from the trunk of his car returning from hunting. Pulled it by the barrel and caught the trigger on something.
I also have a friend with a concealed carry permit who has a hair trigger temper. He’s pulled his gun “to teach someone a lesson” and I would not want him to be my Uber driver when someone cut him off.
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Is it stupidity or is it a tool where one momentary lapse of attention is enough to put a hole in something or someone?
There is a reason we have so many safety systems on things like table saws or cars, and it's not just morons.
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:2)
Is it stupidity or is it a tool where one momentary lapse of attention is enough to put a hole in something or someone?
Well, it's almost as dangerous to idiots as the dreaded tablesaw; something surely must be done... think of the idiots!
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My grandfather was a korean war era vet, put 2 bullet holes in the floor of his house. The best man in my wedding is a National Guard Captain with 2 Iraq tours, put a .45 hole in his truck. The
I also have a friend with a concealed carry permit who has a hair trigger temper. He’s pulled his gun “to teach someone a lesson” and I would not want him to be my Uber driver when someone cut him off.
Not to belabor the obvious, but "brandishing a weapon" is a criminal offense which will get your friend's concealed-carry permit revoked in a hurry (if he doesn't get his head blown off first). Does he do this when driving? Someone's going to write down his license plate and call the cops on him.
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But none while actually working, right?
Cars are deathly dangerous too — and I say it as someone, who has a driver's license.
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world of hurt
That's would have, you fool.
Un, no, "world of hurt" is a common phrase (Score:2)
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That's in line what the person you responded to said. An honest, law abiding citizen with a gun is statistically not a danger to you. Even if you are a criminal. They are statistically most likely to be a danger to themselves.
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I know three people who had unpleasant things happen to them when they failed to give me their money,
No, wait, I know A MILLION people who had unpleasant things happen to them when they failed to give me their money. They were all wealthy, well-educated, pillars of the community too.
I think it’s clear what you all need to do.
P.S. I really do know about dozen people who had crimes committed against them while they were unarmed. My daughter’s teacher was killed in a well-publicized murder in Bellt
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A non zero amout of people don't believe that (Score:2)
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there is a significant portion of the population that believes evil can be inherited and that some people are just born bad.
So you're (or they're) asserting that "evil" and honest, law-abiding are always mutually exclusive, or nice (non-evil) people can't be criminals? I think that logic is pretty suspect.
Re: And if it goes off by accident? (Score:3)
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>"Uber drivers with guns? What could possibly go wrong?"
Taking them away from the good people who carry them (and have the right to do so).
Re: I thought it wasn't loaded! (Score:5, Insightful)
Uber drivers have been raped, robbed, and beaten. Carry and say nothing. If no one tries to harm you; no one will ever know. If they try to harm you... well its still better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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wouldn't you have thought that they be carrying in the first place? why wouldn't you?
but the point is, at least in florida, is that uber is not actually enforcing it at all. after they enforce it you can sue them.