Tesla Begins Model Y Deliveries (cnbc.com) 83
Tesla has begun deliveries for its Model Y crossover SUV, the company announced on Twitter Monday, matching analyst expectations on timing. CNBC reports: Tesla's announcement comes as many companies are being forced to revise their product timelines, and shift their manufacturing plans as the COVID-19 pandemic shuts down normal business operations around the world. The accomplishment marks a win for Tesla, which has previously fallen short of self-imposed, start of delivery deadlines. Users have posted images and comments to Tesla Motors Club, a major online forum for Tesla owners, indicating that they have received their Model Y vehicles, or scheduled deliveries soon, even amidst the pandemic.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk told shareholders on the company's third-quarter earnings call that Tesla was "ahead of schedule on Model Y preparations in Fremont, and we've moved the launch timeline from fall 2020 to summer 2020. There may be some room for improvement there, but we're confident about summer 2020." The seven-seat version of the Model Y is not expected to be available until 2021, according to Tesla's website. The lower-cost "standard range" version of the Model Y, is not expected to be in production until early 2021, the site also notes.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk told shareholders on the company's third-quarter earnings call that Tesla was "ahead of schedule on Model Y preparations in Fremont, and we've moved the launch timeline from fall 2020 to summer 2020. There may be some room for improvement there, but we're confident about summer 2020." The seven-seat version of the Model Y is not expected to be available until 2021, according to Tesla's website. The lower-cost "standard range" version of the Model Y, is not expected to be in production until early 2021, the site also notes.
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These cars were pre-sold over a year ago, so that's not going to be a problem for Tesla.
What IS going to be a problem is six months from now, when the pre-orders are filled. At that point, Tesla will be trying to sell a $50,000 electric small SUV's in a market where you can get a similarly optioned gas powered small SUV for $35,000.
That's going to be a tough sell, considering that gas will probably still be around $2 a gallon thanks to the oil price war and the economy will still be slowly recovering from t
Re:And nobody is buying them. (Score:5, Insightful)
These cars were pre-sold over a year ago, so that's not going to be a problem for Tesla.
What IS going to be a problem is six months from now, when the pre-orders are filled. At that point, Tesla will be trying to sell a $50,000 electric small SUV's in a market where you can get a similarly optioned gas powered small SUV for $35,000.
That's going to be a tough sell, considering that gas will probably still be around $2 a gallon thanks to the oil price war and the economy will still be slowly recovering from the global recession caused by COVID-19.
The cat's out of the bag this time and it's not going back in. The Tesla is superior in every way. The Republican narrative won't work this time.
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BREAKING NEWS: Tesla longs have now lost 89 BILLION DOLLARS over the last four weeks.
Boeing stock said hold my beer and promptly lost $26 Billion Dollars in two days....
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Oh Shit, guess that means we're going to have another airline bailout. Can't let good ole Boeing go without customers.
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BREAKING NEWS: the entire stock market is down double digit percents in the last two weeks. Should I post about individual companies being down too, as if that means anything at all?
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Why do you think people living in apartments can't charge EV's? Can people living in apartments even own cars at all?
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Unless you're lucky enough to live in an apartment with a private garage that has a wall socket, a Tesla is pretty impractical.
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The insurance on a 50K car is 40% more than on a 25K gas vehicle (more costly to replace/fix)
People in CA are able to get Tesla Insurance [tesla.com] which is 20-30% cheaper. Hopefully they'll be able to expand to other states. The extra insurance i play for my Model 3 adds up to almost all the savings from EV charging at home vs gas for my ICE car.
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Insurance on my EV is $14 less than the 10yr old Audi A4 it replaced.
I don;t lie in Ohio, so I don;t car about the tax.
My A4 got @240mi per tankful, so $200 would've only filled me up 5X, not chump change, but not a reason to change the car I buy.
I don;t ha
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For one thing, the Ohio EV fee is $200, not $248. [wcpo.com]
Let's do the math if someone was to drive 20,000 miles in a year.
100 gallons of gas at $2/gal gets you 8400 miles in your Civic. Now, for the remaining 11,600 miles, you are paying $0.0477 per mile, while the Tesla owner is paying $0.0519 per kWh where I live in Ohio [dynegy.com]; and the Model Y has been rated at 4.1 miles per kWh [caranddriver.com] giving the Model Y a per-mile cost of $0.0127.
So if you want to play the cost game, even including the EV registration charge you mention, dr
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The current big threats to Tesla are:
- Full Self Driving. Been sold since 2016 and still nowhere near being delivered. Musk recently announced a total re-write of the system on Twitter so things are obviously going badly. They have consistently missed predictions for release and done basically zero autonomous testing miles since it went on sale.
Not only are customers fed up waiting for it but investors who put in cash based on the promise of the lucrative "robotaxi" service starting this year are going to b
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Musk recently announced a total re-write of the system on Twitter so things are obviously going badly.
I have no idea what you are talking about, and you didn't bother to give us a link to the tweet.
I did a search on the electrek web site, and I found this:
https://electrek.co/2020/03/04/tesla-self-driving-features-march-city-street-autopilot/ [electrek.co]
"Tesla will release new features" is a far cry from "Tesla had to scrap everything and start over".
done basically zero autonomous testing miles since it went on sale.
Don
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He seems to have deleted the tweet but there is a copy here: https://gradientdescent.co/t/e... [gradientdescent.co]
The cheapest Model 3 is £42k. You can get a Leaf 40 with autopilot for about £22k now, or a Leaf 62 for about £30k. There are also cars like the MS ZS EV around £22k and the e-Niro or Kona around £34k.
Obviously you can argue about what is "as good". Certainly some of those have better build quality and are quieter than a Model 3, but not as much accelerati
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Thank you for answering my questions.
I read that tweet and it doesn't give me the same sense of alarm that it seems to give you.
When I see your post I see some weird characters on the prices. Are those prices in US dollars? I see a "British pound" currency symbol but that seems like an accident.
I don't know where you can get a Leaf 40 for $22K (US dollars). MSRP seems to be $31.6K (according to this [electrek.co]).
Hmm, according to that article the Leaf still gets the $7,500 tax credit, so its effective price starts a
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What model EV are you driving?
It's a used 2012 Tesla Model S, with an 85 kWh battery pack. Because it's about as old as a Model S gets, it has none of the really fancy Tesla features: no self-driving at all, etc.
Despite it being used and old, it's the most expensive car I've ever bought. It's also the safest and nicest car I've ever owned.
(Presumably the car's panel gaps are probably uneven? If so, I haven't noticed... I'm not really a car guy and I don't care about details like that.)
Lucky me, I got one
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Half your posts relates to Tesla/automotive
I guess? I'm interested in Tesla, what they are doing, the cars they are making, etc. They are literally making history in front of our eyes. And they are hiring a whole lot of really sharp people who are doing great things.
you obviously posts on Tesla owners forums
LOL, nope.
Incredibly no "Steve Hastings" turn up in the member search on these forums.
LOL again. You don't find my name there... because, just like I said, I'm not posting there.
I've been posting on
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Wow, I have my very own anonymous stalker/troll!
Really, I'm nobody special and I'm not worth your time.
You're not worth my time either.
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UK prices in Sterling.
The Leaf is taller and more roomy in the cabin than the 3, but the boot is smaller and there is no frunk. I find the Leaf a lot easier to get in and out of. I think the issue with the 3 is that it is both very low and because the battery is under the seats the gap between the roof and floor is narrower than usual too. I'm only ~180cm but can't get my knees past the steering wheel even with it in the furthest up position when getting in so it's very awkward.
Anyway, yes, in the UK the Le
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I think in Europe, car range isn't as prized as it is in the USA. Most of my travel is to places that I can drive a car for a few hours or less, so we want to drive a car; we don't have a really good train system. Also most places in the US, it's really convenient to have a car, and if you drove there in a car that means you have a car when you get there.
So if I were to buy a Leaf, it would be as a "second car", used only for short trips. And I'm not rich enough to buy a car for a single purpose like tha
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In the UK we tend not to want to waste hours a day driving somewhere. Occasionally is fine. Most places are just clones of other places anyway, same shops, same entertainment. And our public transport is terrible too.
But we do have reasonable charging infrastructure covering a lot of the country at least.
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The Leaf is taller and more roomy in the cabin than the 3
Some people are receiving their Model Y cars so reviews are starting to happen. I found a very short video about how comfortable the back seat is for the 3, the Y, and the X.
According to this, a Y is taller and more roomy in the cabin than the 3. The guy said he is 6 feet 5 inches (198 cm) tall, and he said he was comfortable in the Y. He actually liked it slightly better than the X. (I think the X might have been his favourite if he had tested th
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I'll check out some reviews. I'm always a bit hesitant to go by people's height as it very much depends on the proportions of their body. Some people say they are 2m tall and can get into the front of a Model 3 without issue, for me at 1.8m my knees can't get past the steering wheel even with the seat right back and the wheel as far up as it goes.
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What IS going to be a problem is six months from now, when the pre-orders are filled.
I predict Tesla will have no problem then either.
Tesla is currently making 7000 cars per week and selling them as fast as they make them. Not only are Tesla cars dominating their own market segments, but customers who normally wouldn't buy a car as expensive as a Tesla are buying Teslas.
Here's a chart showing the Tesla Model 3 as the #7 car in America:
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/19/tesla-model-3-7th-best-selling-car- [cleantechnica.com]
Re:And nobody is buying them. (Score:4, Informative)
The $35K compact SUVs will cost more to maintain and repair, and will lose more value to depreciation.
Nothing loses value faster than an electric car. People just don't seem to want a second-hand virtue signal. Tesla really isn't helping with their really crappy used car program.
This is my chief obstacle to getting an electric car, unless it's a used Leaf. You have to consider both ends of the ownership experience.
My car needed a transmission rebuild, an emissions control system repair, an oil leak repair, a major brakes repair, and then an engine repair.
Wow, how old was the car? Even driving low-production luxury cars with excessive repair bills, I never saw anything like that during the first 10 years. $7K is like the horror stories I hear about Mercedes V12s.
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Nothing loses value faster than an electric car.
You might want to price Model 3 cars right now. You only save something like $1K by buying used; it's crazy.
The Model S definitely loses value faster than that, especially models made before the self-driving features were added.
The Leaf's value drops like a rock, because Nissan didn't do a good job of thermal management for the battery cells, and the car fries its own cells just by charging (at least during warm weather).
Wow, how old was the car?
Just a little
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not here in the UK, due to a small used EV market, they hold their value really well. Lots of people are finding they can re-sell their EV for more or less the same price they paid for it.
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EVs have held up well on the second hand market. A lot of people bought them on PCP and then found that they had equity at the end because the depreciation was massively over-estimated.
People who can do simple maths love used EVs. The monthly cost of a loan on one can often be completely offset by the fuel savings, and the rest (lower maintenance, lower tax etc.) is then all in their pocket AND they get a great car to drive that is way better than any fossil in the price range.
Tesla are the exception. At fi
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People who can do simple maths love used EVs.
That's what I was saying: virtually no buyers.
Tesla are the exception. At first they did well second hand by then ruined it by not bothering to do any referb work on used ones. Plus their crappy warranty and expensive but common failures made them less desirable.
Yeah, that's what I was really talking about. Lots of stories about buying a used Tesla through the system, and the car wasn't even vacuumed. Tesla really dropped the ball there.
Maybe new ones will be better 5 years from now, but I'm not buying a Model Y for now because of this problem.
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That's what I was saying: virtually no buyers.
I get your intended joke here, that virtually nobody can do simple maths.
But the facts don't support you. Check the prices on used Tesla Model 3 cars; people are charging nearly as much as the price of a new car. If there were virtually no buyers the used price would drop a lot.
I used the AutoTempest web site to query used Model 3 cars, and (a) there weren't very many available and (b) the least expensive was $42K (
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Unsubstantiated claims are unsubstantiated fake news. Tesla's resale value is probably higher than most cars from what I've seen of the used ones for sale. Sure the BEV's from GM, Nissan and others is shit. But that's because their cars are designed to be shit so no one buys them.
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Note that it sold more than the VW Jetta, and almost as much as the Ford Fusion, despite being much more expensive than those cars.
The chart you linked to shows the Ford Fusion in position #10 Behind the Model 3 in sales not ahead of it.
Noteworthy that all the top 8 except the Model 3 are Japanese cars.
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The chart you linked to shows the Ford Fusion in position #10 Behind the Model 3 in sales not ahead of it.
You're right! How did I screw that up? Thank you for the correction.
Noteworthy that all the top 8 except the Model 3 are Japanese cars.
Yes. Yet another reason I am cheering for Tesla to succeed.
Re:And nobody is buying them. (Score:5, Informative)
What IS going to be a problem is six months from now, when the pre-orders are filled.
Congratulations on echoing the exact same message that was spouted abut the Model 3 a couple of years ago - which has since been demonstrated to be completely false.
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The economy was going pretty well when the Model 3 finally started shipping in volume, so wealthy people had the extra cash to buy one. The mid-income people who were actually expecting the Model 3 to cost $35,000 like Elon Musk promised kinda got screwed, but there were enough interested wealthy buyers to take their place.
How good do you think the economy will be doing six months from now? My hunch is that we'll still be recovering from the COVID-19 recession, and they aren't going to have an extra $50K ly
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Well ... you can still get the $35k model. Order the SR+ from the website and call Tesla to switch the order to the 35k one ( SR ) ... )
What would happen those days is that they'll take a SR+ off the production line and software limit the max battery charge and acceleration to 90% and disable some nice goodies - and deliver you a car that's actually better than the original 35k model ( Eco-leather power seats instead of simple fabric
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Point is no one who is spouting hate wants to hear you facts. Go elsewhere with that nonsense.
When you see people with no skin in the game willing to go to the mat for someone else's cause, just smile and walk away. There's no victory to be had here.
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6 months? Tesla has not said how many were reserved. How are you coming up with 6 months to deliver all?
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"Tesla will be trying to sell a $50,000 electric small SUV's in a market where you can get a similarly optioned gas powered small SUV for $35,000.
That's going to be a tough sell, considering that gas will probably still be around $2 a gallon"
The biggest market for EVs is California, partly because of granola and partly because we have the infrastructure. And gas is not $2/gal here. I'm paying $3.89 (less ten cents a gallon due to shell rewards) for diesel in Humboldt county. 87 octane is about $3.59.
So in s
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You'd think someone would tell him he's actually hurting regular folks, but meh. The oil industry is screwing us anyway.
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He doesn't give one fuck about regular people. He already fucked them on taxes and even the poor among his base still support him.
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Californians are getting fucked by big oil right now. Yes, we have more fuel taxes, but they don't explain the full difference. We are literally paying twice what they do in some other states. And we do have our own refineries.
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From what I've heard, California has their own special snowflake formulation requirements so the supply is a bit more limited.
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The whole country uses the same recipes. California was first to ban MTBE but nobody uses it now. The formulas do change with the seasons, but California has all types of climate except permafrost. So Alaska is really who has special "snowflake" formulations.
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87 octane is about $3.59.
One of the laundry list of ways that Taxes is superior to Cali is the gas prices: I saw $2.49 for 87 octane last week. It will probably drop below $2/gal if oil prices stay low.
But I don't think gas prices matter to Tesla sales in Cali: the granola is sufficient.
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As far as I can tell the only things superior about Texas are the gas prices and the BBQ. I still have yet to find a BBQ place in California that can match up with the middle of the road stuff in TX.
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There's more to an ICE than just gas. There's oil
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You're basically looking at oil changes 4 times a year and lots of little service parts that will probably cost you $1000-2000 per year. ...
You change oil every 3 or 4 years, not 4 times a year
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You're basically looking at oil changes 4 times a year and lots of little service parts that will probably cost you $1000-2000 per year.
You change oil every 3 or 4 years, not 4 times a year ...
Wowsers. Most manufacturers recommend changing the oil every 7500 miles. I change mine when I get my state inspection; once a year. That's usually about 10,000 miles.
Once every 3 or 4 years is asking for problems unless you're that little ol' lady from Pasadena.
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You change oil after 50,000 km ... up to you to convert it into miles.
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Perhaps if you hate having a working engine, you only change your oil every 3 or 4 years.
Holy shit, take your car to be serviced Right. Fucking. Now.
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"What IS going to be a problem is six months from now, when the pre-orders are filled. At that point, Tesla will be trying to sell a $50,000 electric small SUV's in a market where you can get a similarly optioned gas powered small SUV for $35,000."
From whom? VW and BMW closed their factories, just as AUDI and Peugeot and GM in Europe and Chrysler/Fiat and ...
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Those are American jobs, making American cars, using American parts, and paying American taxes.
Why would we ever wish ill on such a thing?
Are we that lost?
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But it takes someone like that to get a company going in (not so recent) today's market, so it is what it is.
This can't be a coincidence (Score:4, Funny)
Model 3
Model X
Model Y
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Model S
Model 3
Model X
Model Y
It's not. Elon said when the S came out that the next cars would spell SEXY.
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It isn't:
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-mus... [jalopnik.com]
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But Ford killed SEX. [jalopnik.com]
Reviews will be out in another month. (Score:2)
If so, it will be interesting to see how quickly Tesla decides to back-propogate the lines to M3 and then over to MS/X.
An SUV that looks like a fastback? (Score:2)
Tech-wise it is interesting but with an all-glass roof, enjoy seeing the bird poop and pine tar.
I know competitors from the major players are still a year out, but it will be fun to see how Tesla fairs then, assuming we haven't all died from self created panic.
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" If you don't need a grill why make the front look like it was shaped for a grill?"
To avoid looking like a minivan.
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>And why does the front look like a platypus?
Get yourself a wind tunnel and find out.
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And why does the front look like a platypus?
The front end of models S and X look much better, and are just as streamlined.
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The simple answer is because Grills have been prominent on cars since the beginning most people think cars without them look funny. Take some time evaluate why you think it looks funny and you'll realize it's because you think there should be a grill and you think it looks funny without one. It's why the Model S came with a fake grill to begin with.
No seven seater on the way (Score:1)
LOL if you think Tesla will still be around in 2021. Audi e-tron killing their sales of the S, they lost $775MM last year, and they incinerate capital at a crazy rate (hence the $2+ billion raise earlier this year through a stock sale, which was picked up by idiots on Robinhood who are now all broke). They were always destined to go bankrupt once our cocaine fueled market corrected, the question was what would cause the correction (answer was COVID-19).
Trademark violation is arriving. (Score:2)
Interestingly FCA will start the production of a full electric car soon 500 elettrica [www.fiat.it] that was designed from the start as an electric vehicle.
The petrol and LPG models of Fiat Panda, Fiat 500 and Lancia Ypsilon are sharing engines and drivetrains, So I suppose that FCA is ready to start making full electric models of the other.
An Electric Lancia Ypsilon is possible....
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