Reddit Co-founder Ohanian Resigns From Board, Urges Company To Replace Him With a Black Candidate (cnbc.com) 288
Reddit Co-founder Alexis Ohanian on Friday announced his resignation from the company's board, saying he was stepping down and urging the company to replace him with a black candidate. From a report: "I'm writing this as a father who needs to be able to answer his black daughter when she asks: "What did you do?'" Ohanian wrote in a blog post. Ohanian, who is married to professional tennis player Serena Williams, also committed to using future gains from his Reddit stock to serve the black community and focus on curbing racial hate. To start, Ohanian said he would donate $1 million to former NFL player and activist Colin Kaepernick's Know Your Rights Camp. "I believe resignation can actually be an act of leadership from people in power right now. To everyone fighting to fix our broken nation: do not stop," Ohanian said.
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problems and issues reddit has are unrelated to skin color of board members.
"I got my job to be a token black person" should not be a thing said with pride.
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When thinking about a potentially racist situation, switch the races around. If a black person resigned and requested a white person replace him, would that be racist? IF the answer to the question with the races reversed is racist, the original situation was also racist.
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Look around. No one is interested in the musings of the intelligencia or in plain logic.
Seems that the intelligencia abandoned rational thought long ago. Plain logic carries exactly zero weight in college humanity departments when topics like Racism or any other grievance are involved. My all time favorite is 'Math is Whiteness' but in general it's obvious that the inmates are running the asylums. Cancel culture is probably at least in part because they know that if asked 'hard questions' they just don't have answers. You know you're winning the argument when all they can do is call you names like racist. Citation: https://www.independent.co.uk/... [independent.co.uk]
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Having a black cultural perspective is a merit if it can help a company connect with 12% of the US population. It may have been by luck, but a lot of skills are obtained by luck.
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This assumes that all black people share the same culture.
Which is indeed what most of today's anti-black racism is founded on.
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Excuse me, while I now enjoy my delicious roast chicken and watermelon dessert,
This is a stereotype I've never understood where it came from. Who doesn't like watermelon and fried chicken??
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It comes from the era of minstrel shows. During reconstruction, there were solid economic reasons that pushed blacks to grow watermelon and breed chickens. So, these foods became a point of pride for newly independent blacks. When white people saw this, they started subverting it into the racist trope it has become today.
https://www.theatlantic.com/na... [theatlantic.com]
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No one wants TRUE diversity in their organization. That would include NAZIs, pedofiles, rapists, murderers, etc to have the full spectrum. And conservatives are not a "class" or even definitively identifiable. Many people call themselves a conservative, only to have other conservatives call them "fake" conservatives. Would they be CINOs?
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Just so I'm clear, it's only diversity when there are externally visible genetic factors, even if there equally authoritarian, liberal, or whatever.... but simply having diversity of thinking isn't a qualifying factor.
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a lot of skills are obtained by luck.
I think you're confusing skills with talent.
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I didn't say every, I said "a lot". Reading comprehension is a talent too?
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Bullshit. Your VO2max, no matter how hard you work at it, will never put you in the category of Olympic-caliber cross-country skiiers (let alone more "mundane" champions like Chris Froome or Eliud Kipchoge). You will never be able to swim like Michael Phelps. You will never have the skills that Joshua Bell or Yo-yo Ma have with the violin and cello, respectively, no matter how much time you put into it. You will never have the ability to analyze physics in the same way that Dyson or Feynman did. Not because you don't want to, it's because your synapses don't (and can't) make the same connections as those people listed and/or your body does not have the same physiological characteristics of those people.
And for the record, I'm inclined to think that most people can get within 10% - 20% performance of champions with enough work. But I'm willing to accept there are true prodigies in this world. How else do you explain idiot-savants that can play music at virtuoso levels or can perform incredible feats of mathematical computation in their heads without any training or education?
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1. Meritocracy is currently a lie. It's very rarely the best person for the job—we know factors like height, weight, whether you have a full amount of hair, what your name sounds like, etc., all have a bearing on whether or not you're considered for a job or a raise. In double-blind studies, they've shown that women are less likely to be hired than men for lab positions (even by other women!) or that people with names that sound/look like they come from a minority group are less likely to be hired or considered.
The entire premise of your argument is based on a falsehood, namely, that meritocracy exists for anyone, let alone black people or other minorities.
2. Now that we have that out of the way, being black (or a POC) has qualifications that come with it that are unlikely to be put on a resume.
For instance, I'm half-Chinese, and my Chinese family has pointed out that I'm much easier to understand when I'm speaking English than my Canadian partner. I don't actually speak any dialect of Chinese and my mother tongue is English, but I talked to my Chinese family in English for my whole life and unconsciously picked up ways of enunciating and forming words that they find easier to understand. My cultural and ethnic background actually carry a weird sort of advantage for when I interact with other Chinese people, but I'd never put that on my resume, even though it might be handy.
Similarly, black Americans are carrying elements of black American culture with them. They have insight to that demographic that is to a certain extent innate. If you were looking to, say, reduce police violence against minorities, you might interview two similar candidates with identical schooling. But if one is white and the other is black, you might need to consider that the black person will have had, almost certainly, more run-ins with the police simply by virtue of being black, and that is experience that cannot be taught from a book or a class.
Under-representation on these sorts of boards is endemic, and people of different cultures bring with them a context that doesn't show up on a resume but is valuable nonetheless. Even putting aside the tenuousness of talking about the meritocracy, there is actual MERIT inherent in being black on an all-white board, as long as you're not the KKK. Honestly, the real problem is that we're not allowed to consider this sort of cultural background as a qualification. I think being from a poor farming community in the deep south is an interesting and useful qualification, even if you're white. We should be allowed to say that we are looking for black or indigenous or some other person of colour because in a majority-white business world, that diversity brings with it useful intangible qualifications.
If your goal is to broaden your appeal, make a meaningful change in your organization, or simply to understand black culture better, it ISN'T racist to hire a black person to take your place.
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> One guy's beer is full to the rim of the glass, the other only half way. The guy with the half empty glass asks for a top up, and the other guy yells "that's unfair, why are you giving him free beer!"
It turns out the machine dispenses exactly 12oz, it was just the glasses were "diverse". Some were 12oz and some 24oz and we should remember to accept the glass for the way it is.
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Russian isn't a race though. There are several ethnic groups that make up what is traditionally considered Russian. Russians can range from Nordic to ethnic Jews to ethnic East Asians. So wanting a Russian isn't racist unless you say it has to be one that's a specific race.
However I think it is a little racist to assume that all African Americans have the same "culture". If we use well known musicians as an example, I'm pretty sure Darius Rucker a country star from South Carolina has a different culture tha
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a C suite of old white entitled folk.
This is literally racist, divisive, and ageist. Write it into your company policy and see how quickly you get sued.
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Which is still better than people didn't read my Resume because my name sounded black.
It would only be a Token position if the person was not qualified for the job, and not given the actual authority the position us suppose to have.
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We could stop being more and more racist (Score:5, Insightful)
> Unless you can think of a way the Minorities will be able to fill job positions
My wife is not "blacks". She is Cassi. My daughter is not "blacks". She is Milan. She is not defined by her complexion any more than you are defined by the size of ears.
Your statement that you want "minorities" or"blacks" in certain positions presupposes that my family's skin complexion makes them inherently, fundamentally different from you. They are not. They are people just like you, individual people.
Further, this gentleman saying that he specifically should be replaced with "a black person" suggests that in the deep recesses of his mind, he thinks that blacks are interchangeable. He wouldn't say it out loud in those words, but that's what is implied when he says "a black person" should fill the position.
This insidious form of racism is particularly nasty because it's so insidious. It communicates two things:
It tells my daughter that she needs special bonus points, that she can't compete with white kids on her own merits. (Or as Biden says, black kids competing with smart kids). Btw that's not at all true, she consistently scores 98th-99th on the standardized tests. She can beat his white kid by being smarter than his kid, and because she plays Math Obbies while he plays Pokemon.
It also tells all of her co-workers that she was hired based on her complexion, that management didn't pick her because she's the best. So she starts out day one being labeled as a "diversity hire", which undercuts her credibility.
Thank you, but my family doesn't need your pity points. However well intentioned they may be, they are actually a form of racism that's particularly hars to fight because it's officially blessed by the authorities. The *school district* tells Milan she needs a head start because she can't really keep up woth white kids. Over the years she'd start to actually believe that, if she weren't doing second-grade marh for fun when she was in kindergarten.
So thanks, but no thanks. You aren't going to solve racism with more racism. You end racist stuff when you stop doing things in the basis of race.
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My wife is not "blacks". She is Cassi. My daughter is not "blacks". She is Milan. She is not defined by her complexion any more than you are defined by the size of ears.
Sadly the world we live in today means skin colour does matter. You can choose not to define yourself by it but none the less others will.
I look white but when people hear my name they ask where I'm from. No, where I'm *really* from. I don't define myself by my skin colour or the fact that I'm mixed race, but it doesn't stop people asking. And I really wish they would stop asking.
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On the form for my daughter's birth certificate, where it asked race, I was very tempted to write "what's it to ya?"
> I look white but when people hear my name they ask where I'm from. No, where I'm *really* from.
It might be fun to reply something like:
Austin. Oh, you're asking where my great-great-great-grandfather was born?
> Sadly the world we live in today means skin colour does matter. You can choose not to define yourself by it but none the less others will.
It's my strong opinion that this is no
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> You might not care but it doesn't stop racists caring and attacking you, trying to make your life a little bit worse
I'd rather beat them then become them, thank you.
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Meeting a Race Quota is a necessary evil. Unless you can think of a way the Minorities will be able to fill job positions at the same percentage as the population states.
Every single corporation I've worked for or consulted with have entire departments devoted to hiring minorities. Considerable time, effort and financial resources are being expended in order to achieve a diverse workforce in companies across the US. Yet you still want racial quotas.
Do you have racial quotas in your country? Why/why not? Demographics change. Would you force companies to fire whites or blacks because the Hispanic population increased?
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It's already so fucking hard to find decent candidates, adding another filter based on something unrelated to job qualifications, such as race, is suicidal for the business as well as illegal.
I don't care what color you are or what's under your clothing. If you can do the work and not be a pain in the ass to people around you, you're hired.
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And yet you can prove it happens yourself by just submitting near identical CVs for a job, only major difference being the names.
I tried it decades ago and based on the results thought about changing my name, but didn't. Chloe Bennet did to get her break.
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It would be nice if that actually happened, but in practice and particularly at board level it rarely does. I mean boards are the ultimate refuge of the incompetent anyway but even lower down...
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Or, it could be that the company needed a diverse cultural perspective to be able to expand its market reach and maybe get newer ideas?
Fundamentally how is it different than, "the company hired me because I have skills and knowledge about about emerging market analysis and user preferences" or even "I was hired as a model because I am attractive to millions" ? We don't say a model hired partly because she was good looking as a bad thing, do we?
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Or, it could be that the company needed a diverse cultural perspective to be able to expand its market reach and maybe get newer ideas?
Wouldn't they be better served by hiring someone with different political affiliations than the rest of the board then? I don't use reddit other than occasionally reading something being linked from there, or if it turns up in a search for something, but it seems like they're not very friendly to anyone who doesn't share their particular brand of orthodoxy. That sounds like a good way to expand their market.
Or does diverse culture perspective just mean someone who shares all of the same ideas that they a
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because you don't ask for headshots when hiring someone for a skill. You do it when you want a model. What he is saying is Reddit needs a model, not a skill.
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Someday I hope to be rich enough to virtue signal with my stock options.
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Finally a response which isn't just virtue signaling.
I mean he's a fucking idiot, but he ain't virtue signaling ...
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No, he's simply a man-baby.
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The number of whites murdered by blacks is NINE TIMES higher than the number of blacks murdered by whites
The rest of your comment is roughly true, but this part is just pure baloney. If you examine the homicide data, the only figure that comes close to this is the likelihood of killing the opposite race based on the population of the offender. In that case, blacks are more likely to kill whites at a ratio of between 9:1 and 11:1 depending on what year we look at. But due to the disparity in population numbers, it DOES NOT mean that the number of whites murdered by blacks is 9-11 times higher than the number
Liberal white cuckery knows no bounds (Score:2, Insightful)
Those white families that wore black t-shirts saying "So Sorry" and wearing slave chains in public a few years back... I thought they were foolish weirdos. Now they're trendsetters. There seems to be a race among progressives to see who can humiliate themselves and grovel the most (for great justice!) .
They keep this stuff up, and I'll be all for them lynching themselves to make amends.
An other stupid post. What is wrong with you. (Score:3, Insightful)
Equal Rights doesn't equal White Guilt.
Seeing that a group of people is being treated unfairly, compared to your group. Doesn't mean you hate the group you are in, just that you want to see the unfairly treated group to be treated fairly.
Stupid post like this, saying oh to not be racist I have to hate my race. Isn't correct or truthful. You can proud of who you are and what your family has done. Congratulation your family has happen to survive for millions of year of evolution.
That doesn't mean you are su
Re:An other stupid post. What is wrong with you. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Liberal white cuckery knows no bounds (Score:4, Interesting)
It's called "Passover Syndrome” [takimag.com]
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It's called "Passover Syndrome” [takimag.com]
That describes things well, thanks for pointing it out. Well worth the quick read.
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Or playing tennis with his wife :-)
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No such thing as reverse racism. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Racism is something that hurts people of one race. Ergo helping them without harming other races in any meaningful way is not racism, reverse or otherwise.
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Hiring someone because they are black means not hiring someone because they are white. Which is as racist as not hiring someone because they are black.
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According to this white people were still over-represented on boards in 2018: https://www2.deloitte.com/cont... [deloitte.com]
That suggests that white people already have an advantage getting jobs on boards, which by your own logic is racist. So if you are right then they are screwed either way because no matter what they do it's racist.
Of course the correct answer is that doing things which address an injustice with minimal impact on other people is not racist.
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You hire someone because they are the best applicant for the position. If "the best applicant for the position" is consistently not black, there are two possibilities. One: your hiring procedures are indeed discriminating on the basis of race and that discrimination must be rooted out. Two: Blacks are being denied the chance to become the highest qualified, and the process that educates them must be revamped. In neither case is racism in favor of blacks necessary or advisable.
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In either case one proven way of addressing both problems is to hire someone who is familiar with them.
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Okay, that's a third possibility. In which case the solution would be to find out why they're not interested in your job. Whatever the case, the solution is to fix the root problem, not to try to paper it over with more racism.
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Hiring someone because they are black means not hiring someone because they are white.
Or asian, or Indian, or latino.....who btw are extremely underrepresented in software engineering, but you never hear anyone complain about that.
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It's not racism if you have a diversity problem. A diversity hire isn't necessarily reverse racism as much as it is a critical gap in company. There's enough evidence out there that diversity improves performance to the point that some companies view an all white male c-suite as a competitive disadvantage from a capability and understanding point of view.
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diversity improves performance
Yes... but only if everyone on the team is actually qualified. Hiring by specific skincolor doesn't ensure that you get the best candidates, so while your team may have some advantage from diversity, it may suffer from lack of skill.
The solution is not to hire by skin color, but to fix the educational opportunity gaps that cause those candidates to be less skilled. This is a class issue more than a race issue, and should be dealt with accordingly.
I know they can find a qualified one... (Score:2)
...saying he was stepping down and urging the company to replace him with a black candidate...
Can someone here elucidate what non black folk just do not get?
I have tried myself. I was surprised that some black folk actually go through a [driving] checklist first before they hit the road.
License: [Check] ...and so on...
Insurance: [Check]
Registration: [Check]
Lights of all kind: [Check]
Damage to car if any, with explanation?: [Check]
I do not really have to go through anything close...These folk also sometimes recite (in their minds), what to say, how to say it, how to act or not, to p
Re: I know they can find a qualified one... (Score:2)
Troubling...no?
Yes, extremely troubling that "some black people" do what you're supposed to do. I also ensure that all of my proper documentation is inside my vehicle, and that it is functioning correctly, so I can totally sympathise with the hardship these fine folk face. Let's go loot a Walmart to protest motor vehicle law!
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I also ensure that all of my proper documentation is inside my vehicle, and that it is functioning correctly
I'm sure you do. Every time. You do a full 360 walk around: Exercising and verifying all brake lights, turn signals, marker lights, headlights, parking lights are in working order. Then you proceed to inspect the documentation in your vehicle, ensuring that you have the up-to-date insurance and registration cards at hand. Every single time you drive. Outside of perhaps a commercial scenario, nobody does that. I know I sure as hell don't do that.
But I'm confident enough, as a middle aged white male, th
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Is there anyone who doesn't just put the insurance & registration into the glove compartment?
Then your license is in your wallet and there's no need for any checklist for the rest. I mean, I don't think I'll ever forget any of the things that damaged my car, though that did get me pulled over once, without incident.
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What criteria do you judge the best by? If your organization has a lack of experience with and understanding of a particular demographic then an expert in that demographic would have a lot of merit, right?
And how about just because it benefits the wider good?
How do you think Reddit should define "best"?
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He should be replaced by the best candidate, which could be a black, white, asian, man or woman. It's discrimination to say that he should be replaced with a black candidate..
No, he should be replaced with the most suitable candidate. The "best" CEO may not be the "most suitable". There's enough evidence that diverse viewpoints and teams outperform their non-diverse counterparts that hiring someone based on a missing trait or with a cultural understanding that fills a gap can be far better and more important than hiring the "best".
That's not discrimination. You're just making a lot of assumptions about what's best for the Reddit board.
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2 wrongs do not a right make (Score:2)
Good for him! (Score:2)
It would be great to have a mix of people from different backgrounds that help run these companies.
Many folks in cities are policed very differently than the rest of us. If me and my friends had this many police looking over all the stupid things we did between 0 and 18, no doubt we'd have issues with the system too. Because we didn't have cops around us ticketing and arresting us for every stupid thing we did, none of us have records that preclude us from getting jobs.
Amazing to watch the folks around
So hiring foreigners is OK (Score:2)
The same libertarians of convenience upset by this are the ones who get mad if a foreigner takes their job.
You can't say companies must hire who offers the best value while saying at the same time saying affirmative action is wrong. When it favored white, you argued racial preference hiring was simply freedom and God given right. Remember? When it disfavors, you are against. Just like you were against net neutrality but then when it came to twitter you didn't want them to down promote conservatives.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here.
Hiring people from your own country for jobs in your country benefits your whole country.
Having a country-wide policy/movement to hire people based solely on skin color benefits only that skin color, and is also known as racism.
The key word here is "solely". I worry though, based on the behavior of many [especially white] BLM supporters so far, that skin color is their only consideration.
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... Or perhaps I missed something, and you were suggesting that black employees are a better value for the company's money?
That's a bit disturbing.
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Figuring out what moves are "best for the whole country" .. two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. It goes against individual rights, for example the right to free speech may or may not necessarily be believed to be "best for the country" .. but it is an innate human right. I mean, how hard are you or yours willing to be trampled for "the good of the country"?
Anyway, obviously selection is not "solely" on skin color, but people of a certain skin color likely had a specific life experiences
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Why aren't you?
Fun fact (Score:2)
The Brits protesting racism in London probably don't know this, but their country paid reparations to _slave owners_ for their "property" when they abolished slavery. Their country also won't have a black prime minister in their lifetimes, and it will never have a black Queen. Also, quoting Wikipedia: "People from BAME (black, Asian and minority ethnic) backgrounds constitute only 14% of the general population in England and Wales, but make up 25% of its prison population." Now who's racist?
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Don't assume racism is involved just because one number is higher than what the SJW crowd thinks it should be.
Contrary to what CNN and the rest of the loony-left want you to believe, black neighborhoods where almost no white people exist have some of the highest crime rates in the US. The black on back murder rate is 10x higher than the white on white rate. Most of those murders occur in predominantly black neighborhoods where there is few or no white people. Is not racism when there are no white people
Man resigns to fight racism, gets called racist (Score:2)
Just a heads up, I am betting this man stepping aside to work to improve the future for his daughter and others who are mixed race will be met with white people trying to whitesplain racism.
I applaud his efforts and hope that we start to see more black leaders in the the computing. We need diversity in leadership. Different backgrounds bring new ideas and new approaches to the forefront of technology. People are free to disagree, but I fully expect him to face ridicule for his efforts.
"I'd like to be replaced by.... (Score:2)
...a white man."
Then you'd get a new hire AND nuclear fireworks of rage.
this country went to shithole (Score:3)
Just in three months.
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Almost as bad except, of course, for being dragged from your home at gunpoint in the middle of the night and shipped in the cargo hold of a ship for more than a month, then forced to work with no ability to leave your job and work for someone else....
Not the same. I mean yes, ostensibly those groups were sometimes treated similarly badly by their employers, but at least they chose to come here, and could have chosen to leave if things got too bad.
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Who did the capturing isn't significant. Those local governments wouldn't have done that if there weren't money to be made.
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Huh? (Score:2)
Who did the capturing isn't significant. Those local governments wouldn't have done that if there weren't money to be made.
"They did it for money" is a strange defense.
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White Americans were Europeans when that was happening. And they kept buying those slaves. If there had been no market there would have been no reason to go kidnap them.
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There's also a significant percentage of the U.S. population that immigrated to the country after the civil war. Were the Ita
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The Native American bit wasn't part of the post I was replying to.
But since you asked, one big difference is that Native Americans/Aboriginal Americans/American Indians don't look that different from your average white person. I know a number of people who have Native American ancestors (myself included), and I would not have known that any of them weren't purely caucasian if the subject hadn't randomly come up, often after I had known them for many, many years. It's a lot harder to be racially prejudiced
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Who in the US is being genocided right now? Who is still suffering from the legacy of historic genocide? And what can we do to help them?
Black people are still suffering from the legacy of slavery and discrimination. If you want them to stop complaining about it then I suggest trying to end it.
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...a Native American person instead? This land was wrenched from them, their people slaughtered. Blacks contributed to that too.
For that matter, so did other Native Americans. Plenty of Native Americans willingly worked with the US Army as paid employees (essentially mercenaries) or, after the Civil War, as official, enlisted members of the US Army Indian Scouts. Some did it for money, others did it to try and get rid of tribes they were traditionally hostile to. One Indian Scout was even granted life-time active duty status as a sergeant by Congress, and 16 of them won the Medal of Honor during the Indian Wars. By comparison onl
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...co-conspirator angle. Since you have a White Guilt hard-on for BLM,
No, I just have an understanding that history isn't black and white (phrase intended).
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Because they were all flat-out killed off to take their land and are now super-dead.
So...all those people I saw when I went to Cherokee, NC were ghosts?
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They weren't kept as slaves
Plenty of Indians were enslaved, usually by other Indians.
-jcr
Yep, it was common for Iroquois tribes to go on mourning raids when people died to capture prisoners to essentially "replace" the dead person. If the captive wasn't killed outright they would be "adopted" by a grieving family and forced to chores and other services for them.. Of course, they could also eventually come to be accepted as full members of the new tribe if they willingly assimilated.
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