IBM Job Ad Calls For a Minimum 12 Years' Experience With Kubernetes -- Which is Six Years Old (theregister.com) 42
IBM's Global Technology Services has posted a job ad calling for candidates with a "minimum 12+ years' experience in Kubernetes administration and management." From a report: Which is a little odd because the first GitHub commit for the project was made on June 7, 2014. And the feature freeze for version 1.0 was announced on May 22, 2015. Sharp-minded Reg readers will have recognised that -- absent time travel -- it is therefore not possible for anyone to have 12 years' experience with Kubernetes. The ad is sadly silent on just how IBM expects candidates will have found the time to accumulate a dozen years' experience in a six-year-old project.
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Yeah was going to say, I bet they already have the under-market-cost candidate lined up for this.
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under-market-cost
Huh?
I know what you're trying to say with your words, but as typed they make no sense.
Changing it to "under-domestic-market-cost" helps.
Changing it to "they have someone in mind who the federal government will not let them hire, because they're not Murican, unless they game the system" is better.
Hope this helps.
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Nothign New (Score:5, Insightful)
I've seen fucking bullshit like this for 20 years
and need Doctorate / PHD. For $100K/y bay area (Score:2)
and need Doctorate / PHD. For $100K/y bay area in office needed.
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and need Doctorate / PHD. For $100K/y bay area in office needed.
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must be able to divide by zero
Okay
-- and configure a PostScript printer.
uh...
Re:and need Doctorate / PHD. For $100K/y bay area (Score:4, Insightful)
When I see things like this, I automatically assume that the purpose for the job posting is to create a job that nobody in the U.S. is qualified for, so that they can then ask for an H1-B and "legitimately" say that they couldn't find a qualified American candidate. Remember that a contracting firm can legitimately have 12 (cumulative) years of experience in something that has been around for only 6 years. :-)
Need the Doctor (Score:2)
and need Doctorate
If you need 12 years of experience with something 6 years old you do not need a doctorate, you need the Doctor.
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Or you need two people who each have six, working for the same contractor.
Outsourcing and "what we need done that we can't find people for domestically". It's magical.
You guys think it's just USA? haha (Score:2)
Haha, same kind of bullshit is anywhere where there's a HR department(or a middle level boss) doing hiring trying to up the competition.
And the people who look through the applications cannot do calculus. People just mark the starting years when they first heard of the thing or ran some tutorial the first time as the starting year and current year as how long there's experience with it pretty typically.
it's not just that they need do it for hiring. it's that they copy the job postings from other companies.
Obviously ... (Score:2)
IBM wants someone who has worked 6 years of double-shifts as a Kubernetes admin ...
Not new, unfortunately. (Score:2)
I seem to recall this coming up on Slashdot in the dot-com days- companies asking for X years experience with Java when it had only been around YX years.
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I seem to recall this coming up on Slashdot in the dot-com days- companies asking for X years experience with Java when it had only been around YX years.
Oops... I see /. doesn't like "less than" symbols. That should read "Y less than X years".
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So... (Score:2)
which inertial frame of reference is 2x faster and a low cost region? I suspect there will be some visa applications for extra-terrestrial candidates.
They have someone in mind (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a classic technique to work around labor laws when you want to hire one specific person but are required by law to post the job offer publicly.
Include a condition impossible to satisfy, and no-one will apply for the job, except the person you want to hire which has been instructed to apply regardless.
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This is merely an extremely egregious example of something that companies have been doing forever.
If you don't have 12+ years of Kubernachos experience they can still hire you if they want to. There is no legal requirement that a company must hire only people who meet all the posted job requirements. Or, they can not hire you for not meeting the job requirements.
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But for them to be able to commit such blatant and obvious fuckery like this (as opposed to making a long list of realistic requirements, but enough to keep out American workers), and that other companies have been doing the exact same thing for *DECADES* shows that worker protecton is laughably weak in the US. And they will continue to pull these stunts this because no politician wants to step up to the plate to put an end to this.
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I am not saying no one does such tailoring. But companies with good reputation and strong governance dont do this.
Wait... isn't this code for a precursor to picking (Score:3, Insightful)
an H1B visa candidate?
"Well, nobody in America had the experience we listed, so we went overseas to find a candidate."
One of three things (Score:4, Insightful)
This is one of three things. The first possibility, and most likely, is it's a puke listing where no one can qualify so they can justify having to hire foreign for cheaper. The second, and extremely plausible possibility is some douche-shoe in HR got handed the final draft of the job requirements then pulled some random number out of their ass for experience and popped it up. I've had that one happen to a job I wrote the description and requirements for, HR "fixed" those requirements before posting, and it took WEEKS to get them to change it back. And we're a relatively small business.
The third possibility is they want to see if they can get the candidates to be scum-sucking liars so they fit appropriately into the business culture. Since it's not possible to actually meet the requirements, who's willing to just flat out lie to get the job?
This sort of mistake happens all the time (Score:3)
Calm yourselves. This sort of mistake happens all the time, as anyone in tech who's had to look for work already knows.
Re: This sort of mistake happens all the time (Score:1)
You forgot the ' around "mistake"
HR being HR ? (Score:2)
Either it is one of these labor laws circumventing methods described above or it is the HR people being dumbasses like always. I wonder why corporate America burdens itself with HR people in the first place.
Sounds familiar (Score:2)
This guy posted a similar remark [9cache.com] when he found a job listing which asked for more years experience than was possible.
Such literal thinking here (Score:2)
Obviously they’re looking for someone who works smarter, not harder. Someone who can shift paradigms and think outside the box with the will of the warrior.
no problem for some people (Score:3)
I once interviewed a guy who claimed to have 20 years of experience with a software suite that was only 16 years old.
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When companies do something like this, looking for people who will lie and cheat for them, they deserve what they get.
Hope they have fun when the logic bomb goes off and they discover that the backup tapes are useless.
IBM Job Ad Calls For a Minimum 12 Years' Experienc (Score:2)
Thats typical of the corporate world, they leave the hiring to HR and these screw-up are common
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This is intentional so companies can lock oit American hires and claim that they can't find an American to do the job. This is very common in tbe industry and has been going on for decades.
Reminds me of a couple of Dilbert cartoons (Score:2)
https://dilbert.com/strip/2008... [dilbert.com]
https://dilbert.com/strip/2008... [dilbert.com]
The old scam (Score:1)
"You must have 10 years of experience in blah blah blah [which was out for only 3]", along with a giant laundry list of requirements that is impossible for anybody to meet. And contrary to what you hear, the previous person who has seniority with the company did not have those skillsets either.
This is so companies can turn around and claim they can't find an American to do the job, and request that the job goes to an H1-B worker, or outsource it.
I'm (not so) amazed that companies can still rook the public l
Or it could just be HR incompetence/ignorance (Score:2)
Or it could just be HR incompetence/ignorance.