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All Dogs in Shenzhen, China Will Get Microchipped By 2020 (techcrunch.com) 101

The world's hardware haven is taking a digital leap for pets. From a report: In May, China's southern city Shenzhen announced that all dogs must be implanted with a chip, joining the rank of the U.K., Japan, Australia and a growing number of countries to make microchips mandatory for dogs. This week, city regulators began to set up injection stations across their partnering pet clinics, according to social media posts from the Shenzhen Urban Management Bureau. The chip, which is said to last for at least 15 years and comes in the size of a grain of rice, is implanted under the skin of a dog's neck. Each chip, when scanned by authorized personnel, reveals a unique 15-digit number matching the dog's name and breed, as well as its owner's identity and contact information -- which will help reduce strays.
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All Dogs in Shenzhen, China Will Get Microchipped By 2020

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  • by cc1984_ ( 1096355 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @11:48AM (#60339529)

    First they came for the dogs, and I said nothing.

    Because I'm a dog.

    • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @12:11PM (#60339633) Journal
      I'm pretty sure that they came for the Uighurs before they came for the dogs. Priorities, y'know.
    • Ummmm.... isn't it already 2020?

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      We have had microchips in pets for... 20? years now, in the UK. My cat has one.

      I realize the UK isn't a great example for freedom but at least if this is a slippery slope it seems to take more than 20 years for humans to get chipped.

    • The stray dogs say a lot when they're boiled alive--they think it "makes the meat tastier." Don't look up webms of this. There are a lot of them, and you can't unsee them.
    • by fubarrr ( 884157 )

      Don't worry, we, Homo Sapiens, will follow shortly

    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      Prove it. I'm an ant! :P

  • by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @11:50AM (#60339535)
    I read an article just a few days ago about the idiotic claims that Bill Gates wants to vaccinate everyone to implant trackers into them...

    How is this connected? Well, the devices that you implant into dogs are the closest technology to this that we currently have. They are about 2cm by 0.5cm in size. Obviously no way to fit through the needle of a vaccination...

    And they can't track dogs. People would pay a lot of money if they could track dogs, in case their beloved doggy runs away from home. No, someone has to catch the dog, take it to the nearest vet who has a scanner, and then they can find the code on it and contact the owner. Exactly what they plan to do in China, just not at that scale.

    For humans, if you come close enough to them to read such an implant (about 7cm) then you can take their finger prints or a DNA simple to identify them. No implant needed. Now can someone rewrite this using simple words of no more than three letters so that a stupid conspiracy theorist can understand it...
    • unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists will just say that consumers only have access to the rice sized dog chips. bill gates is keeping the super nano tracker technology secret for his nefarious plans.
      • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

        Yeah, to be entirely fair to the conspiracy-minded, there is general consensus that intelligence agencies have access to certain technology that is, roughly, ten years ahead of what is generally available. The most obvious example I've heard is that the CIA had insect-sized surveillance drones as early as the late 90's. Now you can get nearly the same technology at a toy store.

        That being said, the intelligence agencies don't like this technology to leak out. They certainly wouldn't put micro-tracker technol

        • there is general consensus that intelligence agencies have access to certain technology that is, roughly, ten years ahead of what is generally available.

          There is? This perhaps used to be true, but given the incredible sums of money it takes to to build the infrastructure necessary to make each succeeding generation of devices, it seems very unlikely that it continues to be true. You couldn't hide that much in the black budgets... and if the intelligence agencies did have such super technology, there's a very good argument that they'd serve their nations better by helping their nation's companies commercialize it.

          • I presume that the government has access to early prototypes of devices that we're not seeing on the market. But by their nature, prototypes are unreliable, and poorly supported. Only when major technological leaps are occurring could they actually provide any tangible benefit.

            • The other way governments could have an edge is due to their ability to focus great resources on narrow problems that aren't of much interest to anyone else because they have no large-scale commercial applications or only as-yet unrealized large-scale commercial applications. Tiny flying microphones is a good example.

              Nano-scale injectable tracking devices, not so much. If those were available, safe, and not ridiculously expensive, I'll bet many parents of young children would love to have them. Not to men

      • What magic battery tech does it use? It's going to need power to broadcast at any useful distance. Sure, you can shrink a transmitter down to nanoscale, but the battery is a different story.
    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      Has the stupidity in the USA increased or has it always been there and Covid has shone a light on it? My wife is from Canada and we're really thinking about moving there. I'm not wild about the winters but the standard of living is much better.

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      This story is quite a case of "telephone game".
      Last time i saw it, the story was about implanting microchips on those that are cured/immune to the covid 19 so they can be easily admitted into stores/go back to work etc, which was a change from the original story that was bill gates talking about digital certificates on medical records

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @11:51AM (#60339539)
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    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @12:22PM (#60339675)

      No, that is only required to be stamped on the dog after you slaughter it and prepare it for sale.

      Not so irrelevant side note: The Chinese are incredibly skeptical of the freshness of anything not alive. In the fish section of the supermarket you buy your fish from a tank not from a freezer. Street vendors will sell live ducks with wings clipped and legs cut off floating in a bucket of water. I once remember ordering chicken from a restaurant only to have what looked like a 10 year old go out the front, suddenly there was a huge ruckus and the kid comes back holding a still alive chicken by the feet and walks into the direction of the kitchen. The chicken looked at me. It knew I ordered it. It was delicious.

      • by stooo ( 2202012 )

        That should be standard in the West also.

        • by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @02:06PM (#60340051)

          This standard comes from the lack of trust in society and its ability to enforce rules on things like food safety. Which in turn come from Chinese culture of not caring about their fellow man at all as long as they're not bound by blood. That's how their spoiled child vaccination and poisoned powdered milk scandals came to pass.

          This is coupled with lack of trust of anything foreign, so Chinese overwhelmingly don't refrigerate their food. Instead they go fetch their daily food from a local wet market daily. When food is alive and killed in front of you, you know it's going to be fresh.

          In West, there's significantly higher level of value placed in strangers, which is largely a byproduct of Christianity, which states that every man has a divine spark (Holy Spirit) within them. This leads to significantly higher trust across all strata of society, which enables certain things such as ability to trust that food you buy refrigerated has not been laced with poisonous filler, hasn't been melted down and re-refrigerated again, isn't rotten or spoiled in some weird way, didn't come from a diseased animal and so on.

          All of the aforementioned things happen in China as a matter of routine. Which is why if you're going to go there as a tourist, be very careful with what you choose to eat.

          • No, it comes from extensive regulation and oversight. The âoeChristianâ meat industry was just as bad if not worse than Chinese food chains. Read up about Upton Sinclair and the resulting changes to food production.

            • by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @03:43AM (#60342299)

              China is extremely regulated, far more so than most of the West. But lack of trust in the society means that enforcement of this is basically impossible. Which is why it was recently found out that the poisonous vaccines scandal got repeated by the same person who ordered the previous batch. This in spite of it being a national scandal with top people in CCP getting involved, i.e. this became more than just bureaucratic issue, it became political.

              But because even direct orders from the top tend to diffuse and warp into almost polar opposites of what they intend to achieve as they go down the ladder, person responsible was able to simply continue doing what he was doing before. Making certain popular child vaccines as cheap to manufacture as possible, regardless of those being safe or not.

              And that is everyday life in China, at all levels of society, in all fields. And that's the difference. In US, there sometimes is a single case, and should someone dare to do it, there will be massive systemic changes that will actually stick. In China, this stuff happens daily, and nothing can be done about it even with the will of The Party behind the movement for change.

              • China is extremely regulated, far more so than most of the West.

                More regulations doesn't mean extremely regulated if the regulations are not being enforced. As long as Chinese companies are still distributing fake rice and fake eggs (etc etc.) nobody is buying that regulated bullshit.

                • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

                  You seem to ignore the fact that the primary purpose of bureaucracy is to enable enforcement of rules on wide scale.

                  And problem in China is not insufficient bureaucracy. Theirs is massive, and a culture onto itself to a far greater degree than any Western nation I know of. The problem is the bureaucracy is exceedingly corrupt, largely as a result of complete lack of trust in anyone within by others within it.

                  • You seem to ignore the fact that the primary purpose of bureaucracy is to enable enforcement of rules on wide scale.

                    False. The primary purpose of bureaucracy is self-perpetuation.

                    The purpose of having a bewildering array of laws is selective enforcement.

                    And problem in China is not insufficient bureaucracy.

                    No one suggested otherwise.

                    Theirs is massive, and a culture onto itself to a far greater degree than any Western nation I know of.

                    It certainly has more history.

                    The problem is the bureaucracy is exceedingly corrupt, largely as a result of complete lack of trust in anyone within by others within it.

                    I think it's a result of cheerleading. We're so great, yay! Guess what road the USA is going ever-further down?

                    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

                      Considering your ideological zealotry that is utterly blind to anything that even remotely resembles reality in the form of "The primary purpose of bureaucracy is self-perpetuation" statement, I don't think there's any room for further discussion.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Have you heard of "Stranger Danger"?

            That's literally the phrase being taught in school in the United States.

            You can count in this "western trust" in strangers and neighbors evaporating in about 8-15 years.

            The United States doesn't trust its government with call records and credit card sales and cell phone location data, because it will inevitably keep it forever. (Hell, it admits to it already with call data, but still conceals that with credit card data.) As a result, this data isn't available to health or

            • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

              I suspect you're a bit confused about the cultural aspect I'm talking about. It's one thing to be aware of strangers on the street. It's completely different to not trust anyone or anything that isn't family, i.e. "I don't trust this shopkeeper to meet any of the food safety standards".

              Latter is not a part of "stranger danger". It is an integral part of Chinese culture however. So while your argument is likely completely correct in that intersocietal trust levels in US are plummeting (which we are seeing in

          • by Scoldog ( 875927 )

            This is coupled with lack of trust of anything foreign,.

            Wish you would tell that to the Chinese daigou shoppers in Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/20... [abc.net.au]

            • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

              You misunderstand. Lack of trust in anything foreign refers to things like foreign technology and peoples. Example here is refrigeration. Most Chinese don't use refrigerators to this day, because they don't trust them.

              The thing that daigou get are the things on which Chinese have had public scandals, and nothing has been done about. I.e. the baby formula, which has been consistently extended with poisonous filler, mentioned in the article. So the case is less of "we trust foreign" and more "we trust foreign

          • by Talchas ( 954795 )
            Hospitality traditions way predate christianity; see greek myth, among others.
            • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

              Hospitality traditions also exist in China today. If you're a guest of the house, you'll have excellent hospitality and very friendly treatment.

              It has nothing to do with how people treat one another in everyday situations. Hospitality traditions are special events with special rules.

        • No it really shouldn't. The only reason that is standard is because the Chinese are so (rightfully) worried about hygiene that they feel the only way to prevent food poisoning is to start with a live product.

          The standard should be the opposite, that you can trust your food source.

      • ordering chicken from a restaurant only to have what looked like a 10 year old go out the front, suddenly there was a huge ruckus and the kid comes back holding a still alive chicken by the feet and walks into the direction of the kitchen. The chicken looked at me. It knew I ordered it. It was delicious.

        But -- and the important part is -- did the 10 year old COME BACK OUT again? Are you sure the chicken wasn't just guiding the lost 10yo back into the kitchen?

        You know what ASS-U-ME-ing gets you.

  • Then the Humans. Dogs are just the way to test the system.

    • No, dogs and cats because humans are fucking horrible creatures who refuse to take care of their pets.

  • My backwater US city has had this requirement for at least 20 years....
    • Same here (in Europe). Our dog who just recently passed away got chipped like 13 years ago when we got her. It even paid off when she got off the leash once and disappeared into the park, somebody got her to a vet and they were able find our contact details from the chip and call us to pick her up.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    When I said I like chips with my dog this isn't what I meant!

  • It's a slippery slope they're riding
  • Hello humanity, you are lost
  • Do they taste good with duck sauce? These are the questions I and many like me want to know.
  • If you scan your Walmart ground pork and it comes back with an address in Shenzen.

  • Now if you visit China you may have to be even more careful as you may break you teeth on a chip!@!!!!
  • Will chip ids profiles be reflected on the menu? I don't want to eat an old sick dog.

  • They have a 2 for 1 special. Go in to the clinic for your dog, and get one for yourself too!
    Simply select the canine species of homo-stupido!

    This makes it easier to identify your remains after freedom riots, (I mean violent, fringe, anti-govement, non-harmonious gathering of people).
    Plus, easier check in at hospitals, airports, police stations. Won't even need a driver's license. Simply hold out the appropriate body part for scanning!

    None of that old mid 19th century tattoos needed.


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  • Test run on the dogs ... next up ... Chinese enslaved citizens.
  • Don't let the Chi-coms fool you. Dogs and cats are still being eaten. Until the current elderly population that lived through the 'Cultural Revolution/Massacre' die, the old ways will not end. While dogs can be status symbols, they are poorly treated one old and usually are simply left to die, or thrown into a ditch to die. The Chinese people simply don't put the same value on pets are civilized countries.
  • I think this is a good idea for them since the dog birth rate in China is large. There are estimated to be more than 91.49 million dogs and cats kept as pets in China. An estimated 10 million dogs a year are killed for China's dog meat trade. Also, China has 40 million stray dogs – 20% of the global total – according to data from the World Health Organisation. This can help on making sure these dogs don't go to waste.
  • All dogs and cats need to have their DNA profiles recorded and stored, so I can finally find out who is crapping on my lawn!

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  • who ate which dog.

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