All Dogs in Shenzhen, China Will Get Microchipped By 2020 (techcrunch.com) 101
The world's hardware haven is taking a digital leap for pets. From a report: In May, China's southern city Shenzhen announced that all dogs must be implanted with a chip, joining the rank of the U.K., Japan, Australia and a growing number of countries to make microchips mandatory for dogs. This week, city regulators began to set up injection stations across their partnering pet clinics, according to social media posts from the Shenzhen Urban Management Bureau. The chip, which is said to last for at least 15 years and comes in the size of a grain of rice, is implanted under the skin of a dog's neck. Each chip, when scanned by authorized personnel, reveals a unique 15-digit number matching the dog's name and breed, as well as its owner's identity and contact information -- which will help reduce strays.
First they came for the dogs (Score:5, Funny)
First they came for the dogs, and I said nothing.
Because I'm a dog.
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Dog meat for eating is from a very specific breed of dog.
Also, cows are pretty intelligent too, not as intelligent as a dog on average, but there's a large amount of overlap.
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Dog meat for eating is from a very specific breed of dog.
Also, cows are pretty intelligent too, not as intelligent as a dog on average, but there's a large amount of overlap.
Pigs are highly intelligent, probably on a par with the smarter breeds of dogs. That may be why they are so hard to control as feral pests.
Smartest actor on "Green Acres" (Score:1)
All kinds of eww time (Score:2)
I've been wondering for a while if a primate species somehow crossbread with a pig to create humans. Humans are very hairless compared to all other primates, pigs are one of the smarter and wilder species, and their skin is very much like human skin. So much so that they were penned up and exposed to atomic blasts to test the effect of the heat and radiation on human skin.
'Sorry If I made anyone lose their lunch.
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as you're eating a carnivorous animal
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Humans eat lots of different carnivorous animals.
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as you're eating a carnivorous animal
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Humans eat lots of different carnivorous animals.
Other than eating fish that eat other fish, most humans don't eat things that most people would call carnivorous. Omnivorous, maybe. After all, pedantically:
But none of these things are carnivores. C
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Pedantically, you're right that octopuses and squid are not fish, but they're pretty far onto the exotic spectrum. Also, they're seafood, and we still catch them through fishing, not hunting, so it's a really, really fine line between that and fish. When I said "fish", I meant seafood in the broader sense, not specifically fin fish.
Likewise, crustaceans are shellfish, and thus, fish, at least colloquially.
Birds are typically not carnivores. They are omnivores, with the exception of birds of prey, and mos
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Yes, I did mean that. Most people are not as precise with language as you seem to assume.
And as I said, the ones that do primarily hunt and eat other creatures are generally protected species, and thus not commonly eaten.
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No wonder we keep losing wars against the Klingons!
Re:First they came for the dogs (Score:4, Insightful)
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ding ding ding - found the Chinese gov't agent!
No need to chip people (Score:3)
People carry mobile phones which tells the government everything they need to know.
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They came for the Christians before they came for the Uighurs.
They're just working their way down a list of damned near everyone.
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Ummmm.... isn't it already 2020?
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We have had microchips in pets for... 20? years now, in the UK. My cat has one.
I realize the UK isn't a great example for freedom but at least if this is a slippery slope it seems to take more than 20 years for humans to get chipped.
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Don't worry, we, Homo Sapiens, will follow shortly
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Prove it. I'm an ant! :P
Humans (Score:2)
It's a test.
Not interesting for dogs, because dogs strays are kept in control by cooking and eating them.
For humans, it's not really a feasible method for keeping population control, so chips may be useful.
Connection with Bill Gates... (Score:5, Insightful)
How is this connected? Well, the devices that you implant into dogs are the closest technology to this that we currently have. They are about 2cm by 0.5cm in size. Obviously no way to fit through the needle of a vaccination...
And they can't track dogs. People would pay a lot of money if they could track dogs, in case their beloved doggy runs away from home. No, someone has to catch the dog, take it to the nearest vet who has a scanner, and then they can find the code on it and contact the owner. Exactly what they plan to do in China, just not at that scale.
For humans, if you come close enough to them to read such an implant (about 7cm) then you can take their finger prints or a DNA simple to identify them. No implant needed. Now can someone rewrite this using simple words of no more than three letters so that a stupid conspiracy theorist can understand it...
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Fairly (Score:2)
Yeah, to be entirely fair to the conspiracy-minded, there is general consensus that intelligence agencies have access to certain technology that is, roughly, ten years ahead of what is generally available. The most obvious example I've heard is that the CIA had insect-sized surveillance drones as early as the late 90's. Now you can get nearly the same technology at a toy store.
That being said, the intelligence agencies don't like this technology to leak out. They certainly wouldn't put micro-tracker technol
Evidence (Score:2)
Here's a laser-powered drone developed two years ago, roughly the size of a bumble bee.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/0... [cnbc.com]
You're thinking of a drone needing to be complicated, with GPS, batteries and multiple aerials and cameras. What is needed for intelligence is a flying microphone. It doesn't need on-board power, that can be supplied via a tightly focused microwave beam. It doesn't need a complicated flight control system, a simple analog system controlled by microwave pulses will work. Even the microphone
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there is general consensus that intelligence agencies have access to certain technology that is, roughly, ten years ahead of what is generally available.
There is? This perhaps used to be true, but given the incredible sums of money it takes to to build the infrastructure necessary to make each succeeding generation of devices, it seems very unlikely that it continues to be true. You couldn't hide that much in the black budgets... and if the intelligence agencies did have such super technology, there's a very good argument that they'd serve their nations better by helping their nation's companies commercialize it.
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I presume that the government has access to early prototypes of devices that we're not seeing on the market. But by their nature, prototypes are unreliable, and poorly supported. Only when major technological leaps are occurring could they actually provide any tangible benefit.
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The other way governments could have an edge is due to their ability to focus great resources on narrow problems that aren't of much interest to anyone else because they have no large-scale commercial applications or only as-yet unrealized large-scale commercial applications. Tiny flying microphones is a good example.
Nano-scale injectable tracking devices, not so much. If those were available, safe, and not ridiculously expensive, I'll bet many parents of young children would love to have them. Not to men
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glucose powered fuel cell perhaps?
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Has the stupidity in the USA increased or has it always been there and Covid has shone a light on it? My wife is from Canada and we're really thinking about moving there. I'm not wild about the winters but the standard of living is much better.
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Yeah you can't argue with facts https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]
Re: Connection with Bill Gates... (Score:2)
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This story is quite a case of "telephone game".
Last time i saw it, the story was about implanting microchips on those that are cured/immune to the covid 19 so they can be easily admitted into stores/go back to work etc, which was a change from the original story that was bill gates talking about digital certificates on medical records
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Re:Will the chip info include... (Score:5, Interesting)
No, that is only required to be stamped on the dog after you slaughter it and prepare it for sale.
Not so irrelevant side note: The Chinese are incredibly skeptical of the freshness of anything not alive. In the fish section of the supermarket you buy your fish from a tank not from a freezer. Street vendors will sell live ducks with wings clipped and legs cut off floating in a bucket of water. I once remember ordering chicken from a restaurant only to have what looked like a 10 year old go out the front, suddenly there was a huge ruckus and the kid comes back holding a still alive chicken by the feet and walks into the direction of the kitchen. The chicken looked at me. It knew I ordered it. It was delicious.
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That should be standard in the West also.
Re:Will the chip info include... (Score:5, Interesting)
This standard comes from the lack of trust in society and its ability to enforce rules on things like food safety. Which in turn come from Chinese culture of not caring about their fellow man at all as long as they're not bound by blood. That's how their spoiled child vaccination and poisoned powdered milk scandals came to pass.
This is coupled with lack of trust of anything foreign, so Chinese overwhelmingly don't refrigerate their food. Instead they go fetch their daily food from a local wet market daily. When food is alive and killed in front of you, you know it's going to be fresh.
In West, there's significantly higher level of value placed in strangers, which is largely a byproduct of Christianity, which states that every man has a divine spark (Holy Spirit) within them. This leads to significantly higher trust across all strata of society, which enables certain things such as ability to trust that food you buy refrigerated has not been laced with poisonous filler, hasn't been melted down and re-refrigerated again, isn't rotten or spoiled in some weird way, didn't come from a diseased animal and so on.
All of the aforementioned things happen in China as a matter of routine. Which is why if you're going to go there as a tourist, be very careful with what you choose to eat.
Re: Will the chip info include... (Score:3, Informative)
No, it comes from extensive regulation and oversight. The âoeChristianâ meat industry was just as bad if not worse than Chinese food chains. Read up about Upton Sinclair and the resulting changes to food production.
Re: Will the chip info include... (Score:5, Interesting)
China is extremely regulated, far more so than most of the West. But lack of trust in the society means that enforcement of this is basically impossible. Which is why it was recently found out that the poisonous vaccines scandal got repeated by the same person who ordered the previous batch. This in spite of it being a national scandal with top people in CCP getting involved, i.e. this became more than just bureaucratic issue, it became political.
But because even direct orders from the top tend to diffuse and warp into almost polar opposites of what they intend to achieve as they go down the ladder, person responsible was able to simply continue doing what he was doing before. Making certain popular child vaccines as cheap to manufacture as possible, regardless of those being safe or not.
And that is everyday life in China, at all levels of society, in all fields. And that's the difference. In US, there sometimes is a single case, and should someone dare to do it, there will be massive systemic changes that will actually stick. In China, this stuff happens daily, and nothing can be done about it even with the will of The Party behind the movement for change.
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China is extremely regulated, far more so than most of the West.
More regulations doesn't mean extremely regulated if the regulations are not being enforced. As long as Chinese companies are still distributing fake rice and fake eggs (etc etc.) nobody is buying that regulated bullshit.
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You seem to ignore the fact that the primary purpose of bureaucracy is to enable enforcement of rules on wide scale.
And problem in China is not insufficient bureaucracy. Theirs is massive, and a culture onto itself to a far greater degree than any Western nation I know of. The problem is the bureaucracy is exceedingly corrupt, largely as a result of complete lack of trust in anyone within by others within it.
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You seem to ignore the fact that the primary purpose of bureaucracy is to enable enforcement of rules on wide scale.
False. The primary purpose of bureaucracy is self-perpetuation.
The purpose of having a bewildering array of laws is selective enforcement.
And problem in China is not insufficient bureaucracy.
No one suggested otherwise.
Theirs is massive, and a culture onto itself to a far greater degree than any Western nation I know of.
It certainly has more history.
The problem is the bureaucracy is exceedingly corrupt, largely as a result of complete lack of trust in anyone within by others within it.
I think it's a result of cheerleading. We're so great, yay! Guess what road the USA is going ever-further down?
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Considering your ideological zealotry that is utterly blind to anything that even remotely resembles reality in the form of "The primary purpose of bureaucracy is self-perpetuation" statement, I don't think there's any room for further discussion.
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Have you heard of "Stranger Danger"?
That's literally the phrase being taught in school in the United States.
You can count in this "western trust" in strangers and neighbors evaporating in about 8-15 years.
The United States doesn't trust its government with call records and credit card sales and cell phone location data, because it will inevitably keep it forever. (Hell, it admits to it already with call data, but still conceals that with credit card data.) As a result, this data isn't available to health or
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I suspect you're a bit confused about the cultural aspect I'm talking about. It's one thing to be aware of strangers on the street. It's completely different to not trust anyone or anything that isn't family, i.e. "I don't trust this shopkeeper to meet any of the food safety standards".
Latter is not a part of "stranger danger". It is an integral part of Chinese culture however. So while your argument is likely completely correct in that intersocietal trust levels in US are plummeting (which we are seeing in
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This is coupled with lack of trust of anything foreign,.
Wish you would tell that to the Chinese daigou shoppers in Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/20... [abc.net.au]
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You misunderstand. Lack of trust in anything foreign refers to things like foreign technology and peoples. Example here is refrigeration. Most Chinese don't use refrigerators to this day, because they don't trust them.
The thing that daigou get are the things on which Chinese have had public scandals, and nothing has been done about. I.e. the baby formula, which has been consistently extended with poisonous filler, mentioned in the article. So the case is less of "we trust foreign" and more "we trust foreign
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Hospitality traditions also exist in China today. If you're a guest of the house, you'll have excellent hospitality and very friendly treatment.
It has nothing to do with how people treat one another in everyday situations. Hospitality traditions are special events with special rules.
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No it really shouldn't. The only reason that is standard is because the Chinese are so (rightfully) worried about hygiene that they feel the only way to prevent food poisoning is to start with a live product.
The standard should be the opposite, that you can trust your food source.
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ordering chicken from a restaurant only to have what looked like a 10 year old go out the front, suddenly there was a huge ruckus and the kid comes back holding a still alive chicken by the feet and walks into the direction of the kitchen. The chicken looked at me. It knew I ordered it. It was delicious.
But -- and the important part is -- did the 10 year old COME BACK OUT again? Are you sure the chicken wasn't just guiding the lost 10yo back into the kitchen?
You know what ASS-U-ME-ing gets you.
Re: Will the chip info include... (Score:2)
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You know what ASS-U-ME-ing gets you.
A Chinese person who tastes like chicken? Hey it was delicious one way or the other so I won't question it.
Dog with chips flavor. (Score:2)
The chips will br pre-fried before implanting into the dog.
mmmh, chips with dog flavor, hmm I mean, dog with chips flavor.
First the Dogs... (Score:2)
Then the Humans. Dogs are just the way to test the system.
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No, dogs and cats because humans are fucking horrible creatures who refuse to take care of their pets.
Oblig: how is this news (Score:2)
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Same here (in Europe). Our dog who just recently passed away got chipped like 13 years ago when we got her. It even paid off when she got off the leash once and disappeared into the park, somebody got her to a vet and they were able find our contact details from the chip and call us to pick her up.
Angry Shenzhen resident quoted (Score:1)
When I said I like chips with my dog this isn't what I meant!
Resistance is futile. Hold out your arm (Score:1)
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Bet you they're chipping Uighurs already.
Microchips then microdips? (Score:1)
Are the microchips food grade? (Score:2)
Will be easier to identify 'mystery meat' (Score:1)
If you scan your Walmart ground pork and it comes back with an address in Shenzen.
Very dangerous indeed (Score:1)
Will chip ids profiles be reflected on the menu? (Score:2)
Will chip ids profiles be reflected on the menu? I don't want to eat an old sick dog.
Their Dogs in 2020, Their People in 2021 (Score:2)
Get chipped! Go in for your dog, get chipped too! (Score:1)
Simply select the canine species of homo-stupido!
This makes it easier to identify your remains after freedom riots, (I mean violent, fringe, anti-govement, non-harmonious gathering of people).
Plus, easier check in at hospitals, airports, police stations. Won't even need a driver's license. Simply hold out the appropriate body part for scanning!
None of that old mid 19th century tattoos needed.
Next up, embedde
It's a trap! (Score:2)
Easier to order off the menu (Score:1)
Dogs In China (Score:1)
DNA profile them! (Score:1)
All dogs and cats need to have their DNA profiles recorded and stored, so I can finally find out who is crapping on my lawn!
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to track (Score:1)