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GMC Hummer EV vs. Tesla Cybertruck, Bollinger and Rivian (cnet.com) 133

Posted by BeauHD from the compare-and-contrast dept.
Last night, GMC unveiled the Hummer EV, the company's first electric pickup with a 350-mile range, 1,000 HP and up to 11,500 pound-feet of torque. Although there's still plenty more questions than answers, CNET has compared what we know about the Hummer EV against the Tesla Cybertruck, as well as trucks from startups like Bollinger and Rivian. And just for fun, they've included the tried and true Ford F-150 (Raptor). Here's a summary of the specs/features based on CNET's analysis: Performance

Tesla Cybertruck: Three motors with more performance than the Model S Performance (though tech specs are limited).
GMC Hummer EV: 1,000 horsepower and 11,500 pound-feet of torque (likely axle torque). 60mph in 3 seconds flat.
The Bollinger B2: Dual-motor setup with 614 horsepower and 668 pound-feet of torque.
The Rivian R1T: The top-spec variant will feature 750 horsepower and 829 pound-feet of torque.
Ford F-150: High-output turbocharged V6 with 450 horsepower and 510 pound-feet of torque.

Range

Tesla Cybertruck: 500 miles
GMC Hummer EV: 350 miles; compatible with 350-kW DC fast-charging; 100 miles of range in just 10 minutes
Rivian R1T: 400 miles
Bollinger B2: 200 miles; 120 kWh battery
Ford F-150: 850 miles; 26-gallon tank of diesel

Towing and payload

Tesla Cybertruck: 14,000 pounds; NA
GMC Hummer EV: NA; NA
Rivian R1T: 11,000 pounds; NA
Bollinger B2: 7,500 pounds; 5,000 pounds
Ford F-150: 13,200 pounds; 3,270 pounds

Cost

Tesla Cybertruck: "under $40,000" for base model with rear-wheel drive
GMC Hummer EV: The fancy Edition 1 will cost $112,595 with less expensive versions in following years
Rivian R1T: starts at $69,000
Bollinger B2: starts at $125,000
Ford F-150: starts at $28,495 -> $67,485
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  • I'm holding out for the Canyonero EV (Score:5, Funny)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:16PM (#60633184)
    sure it's still not legal in California [youtube.com] but what EV still uses Gas?

  • WTF? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dunkelfalke ( 91624 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:18PM (#60633190)

    Wherefore do they need so much power? An actros that can haul 250 metric tons has a 625 hp motor?

    • Wherefore do they need so much power?

      I am really looking forward to the Pikes Peak Hill climb run while towing a 20 ft speedboat.

    • It does seem a little nuts. I wonder how long they can sustain that without overheating. Towing a heavy load uphill at high speed is even more of a sustained high load than driving a sportscar on a racetrack, which accelerates frequently but not constantly.

      • I don't know all of the physics involved, but I suspect it would have a lot to do with electric motors not relying on heat itself as a means of producing kinetic energy. Plus I think that having instant torque also reduces the need for having a sustained load to begin with. It's just a far more efficient design all around when it comes to energy demand.

      • How long you can use all that power is likely to be thermally limited, just as ludicrous mode in the Model S is. But most of the time you won't need it all; it's for getting started from a standing stop at a decent speed, or a burst of acceleration while climbing a hill. Or drag racing!

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Luthair ( 847766 )
      Isn't the rumour that the Hummer EV is 8000 lbs? If so it'll need it to pull away from a stop light ;)
    • Be warned, those high torque ratings are usually at the wheels - actual torque normally listed is at the output shaft of the engine or motor.

      There is also the fact that an electric motor appears to generate it's maximum torque at start of spin up. So actual running torque, who knows what that is.

    • Wherefore do they need so much power?

      To sell Hummers, obviously.

      People who pay $112,000 for a Hummer want ludicrous numbers, GM is delivering.

  • Following the chain of information... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:18PM (#60633192)

    Tesla Cybertruck: Three motors with more performance than the Model S Performance (though tech specs are limited).
    GMC Hummer EV: 1,000 horsepower and 11,500 pound-feet of torque (likely axle torque). 60mph in 3 seconds flat.

    Comparison did not list the Cybertruck 0-60 times... but if performance is more than the Model S, what are the Model S times for a baseline of how fast it could be?

    2.3 seconds [motorauthority.com]

    The real story is in the last comparison though, on price... the Cybertruck base is"under $40,000" for base model with rear-wheel drive.

    The Hummer is $112k at launch, with lower prices in "years to follow".

    Basically that electric Hummer is for Hollywood posers; the Cybertruck is the truck for the rest of us.

    • Re:Following the chain of information... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by kamapuaa ( 555446 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:29PM (#60633240) Homepage

      They're both a little "poser." Nobody needs a pickup with a small bed and an amazing 0-60 time.

      Nobody needs anything more than a used Toyota Corolla.

      • Lucky for Tesla (Score:4, Informative)

        by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:43PM (#60633298)

        Nobody needs a pickup with a small bed

        Lucky for Tesla then the Cybertruck can carry full sized items [electrek.co] like a 4x8 sheet of plywood.

        So you get to both have a large bed, and a fast 0-60 time...

        • I remember the unbreakable windows and the plastic hammer.
          I for one wouldn't be if upon release of the truck, we find this fine print:

          * Plywood sheet must be cut to with no piece larger than 3'x6' before loading.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Hitting the gas too hard will be like that trick where they pull the tablecloth out from under the plates.

          The other practical issue is the very high side walls around the bed. You want to be able to reach in and grab stuff that is up near the cab but, presumably for aesthetic reasons, the walls are too high at that part.

        • With a flip stop, which means you drive with the gate down. That is not a full sized pickup bed.

          The reason full size pickup beds are important is that a lot of construction equipment, and supplies, are designed to fit into a full size pickup bed. The largest buyer of pickup trucks are contractors for this reason.

          • With a flip stop, which means you drive with the gate down. That is not a full sized pickup bed.

            The reason full size pickup beds are important is that a lot of construction equipment, and supplies, are designed to fit into a full size pickup bed. The largest buyer of pickup trucks are contractors for this reason.

            But even most contractor pickups are standard beds, not full beds. A full-sized bed, especially with a quad cab, makes for a really long vehicle that's hard to maneuver in many places. I know, I have an F350 with a full-sized bed, and I won't buy another one. It's convenient sometimes, but mostly it's a pain. My neighbor, who is a contractor and has a half dozen pickups for his business, buys only standard bed trucks, many of them with flip stops, like the Cybertruck.

            I expect the Cybertruck to be a huge h

        • Re:Lucky for Tesla (Score:5, Informative)

          by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:19AM (#60635302) Journal

          Lucky for Tesla then the Cybertruck can carry full sized items [electrek.co] like a 4x8 sheet of plywood.

          So you get to both have a large bed, and a fast 0-60 time...

          I have a Cybertruck reservation, and intend to buy one (the long-range, three-motor version) as soon as it's available... but this isn't correct. The Cybertruck does not have a "large" (read: full-sized) bed. It has a "standard" pickup bed, which is 6.5 feet in length. The article about carrying a 4x8 sheet of plywood says you'll be able to do it with the tailgate down, using a flip stop. That isn't a novel Tesla feature, lots of standard-bed pickups have them, exactly for this purpose.

          • My present truck has a 6.5 bed, I carry full sheets of plywood with the gate up no problem because most of the weight is inside and the wood is sloped downward to the front of the bed. Have no problem moving plywood. However if I am move sheetrock I do have to have a sheet of the plywood in there first to prevent cracking.
            • Yep. I often carry 10-foot or 12-foot boards in the back, of my 8-foot bed, too. You can make it work. 12-foot boards in a standard bed are a bit problematic, but you can always strap them down.

      • You know how many big pickups I see with actual cargo in the bed? Almost zero unless someone is leaving Home Depot. The vast majority barely get more than a few grocery bags.

        • You know how many big pickups I see with actual cargo in the bed? Almost zero unless someone is leaving Home Depot. The vast majority barely get more than a few grocery bags.

          OTOH, at least around here, every weekend the highway is cluttered with full size trucks hauling boats and huge trailers.

          • I always have to laugh at the Harley Davidson edition pickup trucks. Someone paid extra for those badges and the bed isn't even big enough to fit a dirt bike.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by Jodka ( 520060 )

        Nobody needs a pickup with a small bed and an amazing 0-60 time.

        Yes, the accelerations are a gimmick, but other, more sensible engineering decisions, give that for free. Therefore high acceleration is not a reasonable criticism of the truck.

        That amazing 0-60 time feature is an intrinsic concomitant of practical features; Batteries are sort of symmetric, so that high power input for charging also means fast power output for acceleration. More cells provide longer driving distances between chargers, but also more power for acceleration. It's an electric vehicle, with a

      • how is this insightful? not all of us live in the city or suburbs.

        I can't count the number of projects we've worked on at our property that required trips to the hardware store to pick up lumber or other materials (not to mention hauling our garbage to the dump on a regular basis). Our truck is also a late 90's f150 that looks every inch of its 300k plus miles, but i digress.

        I'll agree though, if you're buying a truck that costs north of 60k you have more money than sense; but to say that 'no one needs a t

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by cusco ( 717999 )

        4, Insightful? Really. Whatever.

        My 2002 Tacoma with the smallest 4-banger that was available does everything that 90+ percent of truck owners need. We do a **LOT** of gardening, landscaping, and remodeling and I've never actually run into a use case where it was inadequate. I've repeatedly carried a yard of wet compost or half a ton of blocks up a hill that in the Midwest would be a ski resort. My neighbor with the F-350 with the turbo-diesel? The heaviest load I've seen that thing carry was a hide-a-

        • My 2002 Tacoma with the smallest 4-banger that was available does everything that 90+ percent of truck owners need.

          This probably depends somewhat on where you live. Where I live, most everyone has a big camp trailer, probably 75% of them fifth-wheels 30+ feet in length. A lot of people around me have big gooseneck trailers they use for hauling hay, etc. I also have a 21-foot ski boat, which could be pulled fine with a 1/2 ton, but I don't think I'd want to pull it up hills with a 4-cylinder.

          I have an F-350 diesel with a full-length bed, but it's more truck than I actually need. I could get by with a 3/4 ton and I'd pr

      • All of the pickup trucks around here have permanent covers and beds without a single scratch. The other day I saw an F150 crew cab with dual bicycle racks in back of the tailgate (and a pristine cargo bed).

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by tsqr ( 808554 )

      Comparison did not list the Cybertruck 0-60 times... but if performance is more than the Model S, what are the Model S times for a baseline of how fast it could be?

      It says the MOTORS have more performance than the Model S Performance. The motors, not the vehicle. How do the weights compare?

      And by the way, what's up with the "NA" for Payload weight on the CyberTruck? Hasn't Tesla published the payload capacity??

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Anyone else concerned that there are so many cars with extreme acceleration coming on to the market? We have enough unwanted acceleration events as it is, pressing the wrong pedal or getting the floor mat stuck. Now instead of hitting 20 MPH they will be hitting 60.

      Anyway it's another boring expensive halo car. At least the Cybertruck could be slightly affordable, if they hit their target this time.

      • Also, powerful cars are very dangerous on ice. Most people park them in winter here.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Yeah, and don't get me wrong, they are fun sometimes, but a lot of these cars are daily drivers, used for the commute or shopping.

        • Also, powerful cars are very dangerous on ice. Most people park them in winter here.

          Everything mentioned above is AWD / 4x4.

          • And powerful AWD cars are as much of a blast to drive in winter as in summer, with appropriate tires of course.

        • Also, powerful cars are very dangerous on ice. Most people park them in winter here.

          Well, yes, powerful cars are especially dangerous on ice if you drive them like a fool, they're RWD or even FWD, don't have traction control, and don't have winter tires. But ice is a dangerous condition for all cars, since if you lose all traction it doesn't matter how much power or how many drive wheels you have or don't have - that car isn't going to stop or steer.

          AWD and 4WD are a huge help in winter weather, and we get plenty of snow here. Not sure about the others listed, but the base Tesla is 2WD.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by cusco ( 717999 )

            I grew up in northern Michigan, and unless you're actually out two-tracking in the middle of the swamp in winter an adequate driver doesn't need 4WD. A good driver doesn't need it at all. I'm speaking as someone who spent winters rabbit hunting in the 1970s (before the climate there started to warm) with my dad and his 1967 Chevy RWD pickup with the six cylinder.

      • Anyway it's another boring expensive halo car.

        No, it's Elon Musk's other company that's boring and expensive.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Luthair ( 847766 )
      Hasn't Tesla always limited early production to the expensive trims? Its no different than what GM is doing.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      "the Cybertruck is the truck for the rest of us"

      LOL no it is not. It is vastly more polarizing than any other vehicle. It is the last choice for "the rest of us".

      Also, why cite the Model S on acceleration when the number for the CyberTruck is already known (and is not 2.3 seconds)? Oh yeah, its SuperKendall.

    • The real story is in the last comparison though, on price... the Cybertruck base is"under $40,000" for base model with rear-wheel drive.

      The Hummer is $112k at launch, with lower prices in "years to follow".

      Basically that electric Hummer is for Hollywood posers; the Cybertruck is the truck for the rest of us.

      I think the real story is that GM was only able to show some renderings of an electric version of one of their existing trucks, eleven months after Musk demoed his actual prototype Cybertruck.

    • Basically that electric Hummer is for Hollywood posers; the Cybertruck is the truck for the rest of us.

      Another viewpoint is that the Hummer is for people who can afford a Model S but want a truck/SUV. As a toy for the rich, the Hummer does have some interesting features that no Tesla or other vehicles have, so it'll be interesting to see how well it sells.

    • the f150 has been the best selling vehicle in the US for years and years. there are TONS of used f150's floating around out there. Unless you need a truck for your daily driver, it's silly to spend that much money on a new truck for the odd task -- but i wager this is the minority of truck purchases.

      a truck should be utilitarian, it is for getting things done; looks are absolutely secondary. On an aside though, why the hell is an 8'x4' bed not the standard? stupid wheel wells.

    • Why on earth does a utility vehicle need to accelerate as fast as a sports car?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by lazarus ( 2879 )

      There is almost nothing apples to apples about the specs shown in the summary.

      The "under" $40k Cybertruck is not available at launch. Just like the Hummer. As you already know, Tesla is rolling out the dual and tri-motor versions first. Hummer is doing the same. Tri motor CT is $70k (if they don't change the price) which is more comparable to the Hummer at launch in terms of specs.

      Summary says they are comparing the F-150 (Raptor) but then goes on to give pricing for a regular F150. The fuel capacity l

  • Ford F-150: starts at $28,495 -> $67,485 You can't claim that right after saying that the model of F-150 your using is a Raptor. MSRP for a Raptor STARTS at $53,455, and rapidly scales up.

    • The article needs to pick a specific F-150 for comparison purposes. It follows the same line of reasoning as: "Wings are better than wheels. The F-22 raptor is faster, a Boeing 747 has more cargo carrying capacity, and my flock of carrier pigeons is more energy efficient and cheaper. Therefore, winged vehicles beat wheeled vehicles."

      Comparisons don't work well when comparing groups of atypical things.

    • In their defense, they give the "starting at" price for the base 2wd cybertruck, too. Would've been nice if they put an "as speced" price for all

  • Ford F-150 wins easily here (Score:3)

    by bjdevil66 ( 583941 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:32PM (#60633258)

    Why? Price and range - along with being a close second in towing capacity.

    Early adopters can buy electric trucks for great performance specs, but for the masses they are still a generation away, IMO.

    • The Cybertruck will last for decades - much less to break than the F-150, including an exoskeleton that won't rust. The electricity to run it also costs much less than gas. The TCO is much lower for the Tesla. That, the performance advantage you mentioned, the utility advantages (including higher torque and an adjustable air suspension), and the environmental benefits make the Cybertruck the clear winner.

    • I'd bet a decade from now Ford is still selling more F-150s than all the others combined. Over a million a year currently. Year, after year, after year.

      • Ford also has a lot of car technologies, especially for their flagship truck. If people are worried about EV range, Ford has a hybrid, and perhaps a range extender. Plus, there are a lot of truck buyers who want a more traditional styling, especially if they have accessories like roof racks, caps, or stuff to put in the bed for their jobs.

        Ford also has a wide dealer network. If one lives in Austin, no worries about a break down with one's Tesla. However, start going to rural areas, there just isn't a de

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by cusco ( 717999 )

          Fleets seem to be switching to Mercedes more often now, since their vehicles last longer with less maintenance and repair. If Mercedes sold a pickup Ford would panic.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's a shame nobody is making an affordable pick-up truck. Well, maybe Tesla if you believe them but they don't count until it's actually shipping.

      I think the main issue is that they are all chasing silly performance numbers. If you look at the pricing of a long range Kia or Hyundai you can see that if they just made a pickup version it would be pretty affordable for the base model. But to get the big numbers you need more expensive batteries and more expensive drivetrains.

      Like shorter range EVs 5 years ago

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by cusco ( 717999 )

        It's a shame no one is making a small pickup any more, either. (Well, they are but they won't sell them in North America.) People leave notes on my 2002 Tacoma all the time wanting to buy it because it's enough truck for 90% of the truck owners out there.

        My wife occasionally says, "You need a new truck." I ask her, "Have the wheels fallen off? No? Then I don't need a new truck."

  • Clearly no need to read this crap. The F-150 has the best range, sold.

  • Cherry picking stats? (Score:5, Informative)

    by sidekick2 ( 852519 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @06:20PM (#60633426)
    What F-150 Crewcab 4x4 Diesel gets 850 miles? None. Just because it has F-150 on the name plate, doesn't mean you get to cherry pick stats. At best, a 3.0 liter P.O.S diesel that's not even close to the same specs of any of the others, makes 250HP, and 25mpg, and that's on a 4x2 truck. Good lord, just go to the Ford build your own page, and try and build something close in specs, for under $65k. I'm at $58k with just this 3.0l diesel, 4x2 and crew cab. Ford will be in bankruptcy in 1-2 years anyway -- don't have to worry about them. They're living in the past, they can die like the rest.

    • F-150 (Score:2)

      by JBMcB ( 73720 )

      What F-150 Crewcab 4x4 Diesel gets 850 miles? None.

      https://www.thedrive.com/new-c... [thedrive.com]

      It's aluminum body, and has a gigantic fuel tank, and maximum range is on the highway. Also, horsepower doesn't matter as much with pickup trucks as you aren't racing with them, it's torque that matters for hauling stuff.

      Ford will be in bankruptcy in 1-2 years anyway -- don't have to worry about them.

      The F-150 is the best selling pickup truck in the US, and the best selling *vehicle* in Canada. Ford's problems aren't due to sales, it's mostly due to legacy costs as, since they were the only US car manufacturer to not declare bankruptcy in 2018, they are

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    • Lordstown Motors Endurance is supposed to start at $52,500 and just last month they said sales should begin "late next summer." It didn't make the list but it might end up being the first electric pickup to market. And they've promised not to use any leftover parts from the Chevy Cruze, which was the last thing built at the Lordstown factory before GM packed up and left, haha. They should be quick to market because they took over a site that was easy to convert and had existing infrastructure, and there was

  • Tough Segment (Score:3)

    by fatwilbur ( 1098563 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @07:02PM (#60633574)
    I think this will be one of the tougher segments for Tesla to compete in.. 500 miles sounds great, but no doubt that goes way down with a load, and must be abysmal with anything approaching the 14K LB towing rating. The "can carry a sheet of plywood" is kind of a funny use case - must be what Californians think everyone who has a truck needs one for. Far more common I see is towing the boat or a fifth-wheel out to a park, where there aren't any plugins and people definitely won't want to stop for an hour or more each way.

    • At least most RVs have generators, so if you size it properly you could use it to charge the truck.

    • The "can carry a sheet of plywood" is kind of a funny use case - ... Far more common I see is towing the boat or a fifth-wheel out to a park, where there aren't any plugins and people definitely won't want to stop for an hour or more each way.

      That's funny you think it's rare. My main use case is the ability to move a 4x8 sheet of plywood (flat). If all you want to do is tow something, just use the tow-hitch on your Model 3. And if you're towing a boat or a fifth-wheel, then you most certainly have an ho

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by cusco ( 717999 )

        My own main use case would be filling that bed with compost, rocks, landscaping blocks, and firewood, I don't carry lumber or plywood that often any more (thank the gods), and the Cybertruck has a cover so I wouldn't need to tarp my loads any more.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by cusco ( 717999 )

      The Cybertruck has electrical outlets of its own, 220 and 110, as well as an air compressor built in. It's a hell of a work truck.

  • Seems like they are comparing rumors and pipe dreams.

    When it's time to produce these vehicles, then give me the comparison.
    • The Telsa Cybertruck in particular will look nothing like what was presented in that pony show. It has to actually pass safety ratings to be sold, so at this point it is the most vaporware of the trucks listed. The others I believe will actually look like the prototypes shown to the public.

      -Plus the game Moon Patrol is prior art, if Tesla released what they showcased there should be a trademark lawsuit. [brun moonpatrol]
      • Yes, I get that these are prototype concept vehicles. I've been to the auto shows and seen outrageous concept cars on spinning turntables that never made it to market. But I did see some attention-getters that did. And I think the cyber truck is one of those designs that has to arrive similar to the demo or else it will be rejected by the public as bait-and-switch.

        I'm not saying everything about it will be identical. For example, the brake light across the top edge of the tailgate will not pass regulatory
  • Are americans really that overweight they need "trucks" to drive them around ?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by cusco ( 717999 )

      It's just dick-wagging, unfortunately one of the most popular sports here. The heaviest load most of the monster trucks sold here will ever carry would be a pair of motorcycles, and my 4-cylinder 2002 Tacoma could handle that without breaking a sweat.

  • At least there is some competition going now (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Nocturrne ( 912399 ) on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @08:22PM (#60633808)

    I am not optimistic about anything from GM or Ford, but at least they are trying. This kind of competition and expansion of the supply chain is how the cost of ICE vehicles eventually became low enough for everyone to afford.

  • What about the Lordstown Endurance? They're calling it a 2021 model (we'll see) and say it will start at $52,500 with 600hp and 250 miles of range. Looks like a pretty traditional pickup (albeit a slick one) designed for typical pickup truck owners, not a stat queen or gimmicky toy. I'm biased because it's built 25 miles from me and I want the company to succeed, but it definitely should be worth a look, at least. Union-built, too.

    • I'm not sure why they didn't cover it. Perhaps doubt that it will actually reach production in 2021. And it won't be a competitor in the truck drag races because its speed is computer-limited to 80 mph. The range is on the low side, especially when you consider that pickups are often used for towing and range will plummet when you do that. But it looks like a truck, which will help its sales.

      I'm fascinated by their decision to use individual motors for each wheel. It always seemed to me like the sensible wa

      • using motors per wheel at the wheels is expensive because every motor has to be strong enough to move half the truck around.

        it would be better to use motors per wheel inboard, with an electric clutch between them so that they can be spooled. Then you get true 4x4 and you can use smaller motors, because now only each pair of motors has to be able to move half the truck.

        If you use hub motors you also have to change up your braking system, or increase unsprung mass, which negatively affects handling.

  • Hardware-wise I like the Hummer. But I think Tesla might be better cause they'll have better ADAS software -- they take the software aspect seriously.

  • Tesla Cybertruck: Nation-wide and partially global network of simple to use 150-250kW charging stations, most with 8+ stalls. 2000+ locations, 18000+ stalls
    GMC Hummer EV: Electrify America will handle it, good luck! 480 locations, ~2000 stalls...
    The Bollinger B2: Electrify America will handle it, good luck! 480 locations, ~2000 stalls...
    The Rivian R1T: Electrify America will handle it, good luck! 480 locations, ~2000 stalls...
    Ford F-150: Electrify America will handle it, good luck! 480 locations, ~2000

    • Electrify America is still building its charging network; they haven't spend all the money from VW yet. (Much of its seed money comes from the Dieselgate settlement.) By the time you can actually buy any of these electric trucks the network should be significantly larger.

      Charging working trucks on the road mostly won't be an issue anyway. Most of them don't travel far enough from home base to need a charging station; they'll be charged overnight at home or at headquarters.

  • I want a small EV truck. (Score:3)

    by cmdr_klarg ( 629569 ) on Thursday October 22, 2020 @08:48AM (#60635134)

    I want a small pickup EV, something about the size of the Ford Ranger. I don't need 300+ mile range or 3 second 0-60, just something that would be a commuter most of the year, with the occasional hauling of large items. I don't need these giant full size trucks.

    First company that makes one at a reasonable price will get my money.

  • The Cybertruck is really in a class by itself. Not in the sense of being better, but in being a different kind of vehicle. I suspect its appeal to the traditional pickup truck crowd will be limited; its unusual shape and cargo bed design mean that it won't be a great working truck. I actually expect it to be a hit, but not among F-150 buyers; SUV makers (including Tesla's own Model X) have much more reason for concern.

    The Hummer is also in a different category because of the pricing. Not many buyers are goi

  • If you want to see the Rivian get real world use watch The Long Way Up with Ewan McGregor. He and Charlie Boorman ride electric Harleys from the tip of Argentina to Los Angeles. Their crew follow in 2 Rivian trucks.

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